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Bondonutz 08.14.2010 10:18 PM

I killed a NEU a few years back using to long a screw. The symptoms sounded the same ?

ANYWAY,
I bought a 1512 2D in April, It crapped out for whatever reason. I sent it in early July and they emailed me saying the bearing and rotor was bad and it would cost $80.00.

I emailed them back, "I sent the receipt from purchasing it from you and it's abarely 3 months old. No warrantee or nothing" ??

Response "Since you recently purchased it we can make the repair for $50.00"

OUCH, that still hurts considering I babied the motor on 3s and in a light weight truck and only paid $109.00 direct from NEU ?

I sincerely hope you get a good deal or good news on getting yours repaired Ray ?

Arct1k 08.14.2010 10:26 PM

At that price it must have been one of there sell offs - Nues always taken care of everything I've sent them for free...

Bondonutz 08.14.2010 10:32 PM

Yes it was bought directly throught them via a "web special", I've sent back a few motors over the years and nothing was free for me :-(

nuz69 08.15.2010 03:35 AM

During the time your neu is in repair, you still can try the NEU-Castle 1520/1Y on your LST ;)

mistercrash 08.15.2010 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuz69 (Post 376845)
During the time your neu is in repair, you still can try the NEU-Castle 1520/1Y on your LST ;)

That's funny you should say that, it's one of the first things that popped in my mind while I was taking the 1521 out of the LST :mdr:

bryan 08.26.2010 07:45 PM

My new big guy,cant wait for the bigg green guy
 
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What do ya think about the esc. location? There is almost an inch from the top of the esc. to the shock mount.It should get better air flow sitting higher than the "temporary" motor.

jpoprock 08.26.2010 08:26 PM

Bro... I can't believe Neu treated you like that? I have no personal experience with them repair wise, but still... 3 months old and no warranty? That's grounds for a beat down where I'm from! Lol! Still though... Neu motors rule. I would be willing to try a CC Neu though.

Bondonutz 08.26.2010 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bryan (Post 378236)
What do ya think about the esc. location? There is almost an inch from the top of the esc. to the shock mount.It should get better air flow sitting higher than the "temporary" motor.

Bryan, Personally I'd be a little worried about the ESC getting clipped sitting that high. I have mine mounted on the chassis and dont have any heat issues, not only that but it does have a fan if it gets over 150F ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpoprock (Post 378246)
Bro... I can't believe Neu treated you like that? I have no personal experience with them repair wise, but still... 3 months old and no warranty? That's grounds for a beat down where I'm from! Lol! Still though... Neu motors rule. I would be willing to try a CC Neu though.

It will not stop me from buying them. The few problems I had w/NEU mills over the years I'm more than satisfied that I'm getting my $$ worth. So a small expense here and there I can live with. But yeah, under 3 months with no warrantee did kinda blow :no:

mistercrash 08.27.2010 08:52 AM

I'm pretty sure I said I didn't know if it would be warrantied. They have to look at the motor to determine what the failure was and what caused it. I sent the motor a week and a half ago so I still have a long time to wait before I get any news. To early to start bashing Neu here :mdr: It's not my intention to make them look bad either. That motor was awesome, it's just that something happened to it and I still don't know exactly what.

jpoprock 08.27.2010 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bryan (Post 378236)
What do ya think about the esc. location? There is almost an inch from the top of the esc. to the shock mount.It should get better air flow sitting higher than the "temporary" motor.

Bryan... That's where my ESC sits for the most part and it's fine. My truck looks essentially just like this still, but not for long. It'll be more dialed in, detailed, and custom. But I have NEVER had a problem with my ESC sitting up that high. I prefer it actually. Since the stock bodies tend to allow for more splash up and debris, I'd rather not have my ESC sitting directly on the chassis. Maybe it would be ok if I had a better body though?

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r.../E-LST2_20.jpg

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r.../E-LST2_18.jpg

Bro... Yers sits on the chassis now that you've gone XXL, but it didn't when you were running the LST2 right? I'm pretty sure Bryan's is an LST2 no? And btw... are you ok with our "new design" then? Because the ESC will sit up in front of the rear tower like mine does now. You run aftermarket bodies too, so that probl helps.

MC... I'm not bashin' Neu whatsoever... just in case you were speaking to me. :wink: I was talking about Bro owning his for less than three months and having a receipt... and still having to fork out $50 to fix it when the problem was a bad bearing and rotor? That to me is disappointing to hear. If I smoked a motor and it was clearly "my fault", than I would expect to pay to fix it, warranty or not. But if a motor just dies while under warranty, you'd think that the word "warranty" would mean something huh?

Then again, maybe the policy is different for a Neu refurbed motor? Not sure if either of yours were or not. But either way... I would assume that Neu woudl take care of you either way. I can't think of any other brand of motor I would rather run to be honest! They are the best!

mistercrash 09.01.2010 01:13 PM

I got news from Neutronics about my 1521 1Y. It seems the stator shorted so they will be producing a new stator for it and it is warrantied so no worries. I just need some patience to wait for the motor to come back.

mistercrash 09.21.2010 09:27 AM

The motor is finally on its way back from Neutronics. Although the work they did on the motor was covered by warranty, I paid a grand total of a little over $50 in shipping fees. Now I need Castle Creations to come out with their new Mamba HV ESC. :mdr:

mistercrash 10.10.2010 11:21 AM

I took the LST out yesterday for the first time since the motor came back from Neutronics. It didn't take long for the motor to shred the rear diff... again. I know that a lot of people have very good results with LSTs and they swear by them. But it seems mine breaks a lot. The more I used it, the less impressed I am with it. Maybe 6S with that 1521 is just too much, 4S is not quite enough for a 14 pound truck. So I feel I should try 5S but that means buying some more lipos which I don't feel like doing. I'm seriously thinking of selling this thing as a roller with the 1521 in it, a set of 3S turnigys and most of all the parts I have for it.

brian015 10.10.2010 01:08 PM

Man that sucks.

I'm running 8s with a 1527 in my 19lb truck with no problems. Now I am using the TiN Muggy diff gears - I don't know if that makes the difference or not.

If I were you I wouldn't give up on the LST just yet (since Traxxas has yet to release your upgraded erbe!) - but I don't have any idea what the problem is with your truck.

justpassedu 10.10.2010 02:15 PM

If anyone would like a losi lst brushless conversion i just put one up for sale , my feedback is good also - http://www.rctech.net/forum/r-c-item...onversion.html

Semi Pro 10.10.2010 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mistercrash (Post 383328)
I took the LST out yesterday for the first time since the motor came back from Neutronics. It didn't take long for the motor to shred the rear diff... again. I know that a lot of people have very good results with LSTs and they swear by them. But it seems mine breaks a lot. The more I used it, the less impressed I am with it. Maybe 6S with that 1521 is just too much, 4S is not quite enough for a 14 pound truck. So I feel I should try 5S but that means buying some more lipos which I don't feel like doing. I'm seriously thinking of selling this thing as a roller with the 1521 in it, a set of 3S turnigys and most of all the parts I have for it.


losen your slipper!

my buddy was trashing front and rear diffs every run with a meduas 36-80-1600 on 5cell because the slipper was to tight

the truck now has 5 runs on it with the slipper set right running a 36-80-1100 on 12cell and the diffs are still fine

jpoprock 10.11.2010 08:17 AM

I agree with SemiPro... Loosen your slipper. I used to blow rear diffs all the time, especially when running big tires. What tires are you running Ray? I was running 40 series Big Joes on 23mm Commando rims. I loosened my slipper (more than I wanted, but it's a trade off), and put on some 40series low profile Bowties and haven't had a problem since. I love big tires, but of all the tires I have ran, I always go back to 40s Bowties. They are great on everything, they are wide, low profile, and light.

I'm running on an LST2 though, and use a Neu 1515 2.5d. I think that motor is probably one the best MT motors ever made, and it LOVES 6s. Perhaps that motor you have is too much afterall Ray?

mistercrash 10.11.2010 09:17 AM

I fixed it yesterday, it was one of the sun gears that broke in two. I'll try readjusting my slipper again, it's already pretty loose but I gotta do something. Punch control is at 70% and I'm running Proline 40 series Mashers mounted on Losi 420 dish rims. They are not that heavy. I also had a bent front shock shaft. Yeah, 5 mm thick shaft is not enough to keep it from bending. Well there was this 12 foot high dirt hill and I jumped it sending the truck I don't how high. I was getting neck pains looking at it :lol: Good thing I made a spare.

_paralyzed_ 10.11.2010 04:24 PM

mistercrash-

I read the thread and skimmed over it a second time, I'm sorry if I missed it but-

What driveshafts did you use from the diffs to the tranny? Custom or did the stock units fit? Thank you!

mistercrash 10.11.2010 09:04 PM

I used a stock XXL middle shaft for the front of the tranny and a stock LST2 middle shaft for the rear of the tranny.

_paralyzed_ 10.11.2010 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mistercrash (Post 383484)
I used a stock XXL middle shaft for the front of the tranny and a stock LST2 middle shaft for the rear of the tranny.

sweet. thank you.

mistercrash 10.12.2010 11:06 PM

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Anyone want this MC exclusive? PM me for price. The truck will be as it is in the pics and the parts you see will be in the box.

LST XXL converted as described in this thread with freshly rebuilt NEU 1521 1Y.

simplechamp 10.13.2010 10:07 AM

Just saw the ad over at RC Tech. Surprised to see you selling it, any reason in particular? Awesome truck, wish I had the cash. Bet it is nuts with that 1521

mistercrash 10.13.2010 01:11 PM

indeed it is nuts. Maybe a little too much :mdr: I could get a different motor to tame the beast a bit like it was suggested to me but I would rather stop spending money on this and get back to flying RC airplanes. Mainly because my son is so interested in them so I'm thinking of a couple park flyers for next summer to ease him into it. And a RealFlight simulator for this winter to let us train on. I will need some training also since I haven't flown RC airplanes in a long time.

Finnster 10.13.2010 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mistercrash (Post 373289)
Brian I saw those and even though they look really nice, they are to short for the LST2 shocks I'm using. IMO, the only way to make them work properly with the LST shock cartridges is to do exactly what I plan to do which is to open the cartridge, enlarge the holes for the shaft and replace the O rings with ones with a thinner cross or thickness. Unless the Hot racing reservoir shocks use a cartridge that fit the LST2 shock body. I'm not sure. Maybe they could work but I wouldn't get the full extension that I have with the stock length of the shock shafts, it is something like 87 mm long if I remember correctly. Thanks for searching I appreciate it.

On an another note, I gave up on my E-Revo to go with the LST because I find it is tougher and easier to work on. But there are things on the E-Revo that I really liked. The tranny for one which I installed on the LST but also the Traxxas VDPs (Variable Damping Pistons) in the shocks. So I am going to try it on the LST with these little valves I made out of a piece of thin polycarbonate from some packaging that was lying around in the recycling bin. I know Hot racing makes pistons with tapered holes which are supposed to have the same effect, I'm just trying to do it on the cheap.
The valves block 10 of the 24 holes of the piston on compression which should give better, stronger damping, and the valves bend slightly to let the oil pass through all 24 holes of the piston on the rebound.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w.../th_valve1.jpg http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w.../th_valve2.jpg

I made a second 5 mm shock shaft and ordered the Viton O rings I linked before. When all the parts get here, I can finally try out those shafts on the front end with the VDPs front and rear.

Hey, I just wandered into this thread and saw this mod. I was actually looking at this myself, but was thinking about boring out to 6mm, as I wasn't sure 5mm would cut it. (Had integy lst shocks from a muggy at one point w/ 5mm shafts, but they were soft and bent easy too)

Basically I have LST shocks on my savage, but the shafts always bend or snap at the shock end. I took apart the cartridge the other night and saw how it was built and seemed like it could use a much thicker piston rod. Just need a lathe or something to cut 5mm threads on it.....Dunno if a hand die would work well, or if the rod finish would be too rough.

Material: Multipurpose 4140/4142 Alloy Steel

Alloy: 4140/4142

Finish/Coating: Ground

Shape: Rods and Discs

Diameter: 6 mm

Diameter Tolerance: -0.0005"

Tolerance: Precision-Ground

Temper/Condition: Annealed

Hardness: Rockwell B92

Maximum Attainable Hardness: Rockwell C50-C55

Yield Strength: 60,000 psi
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Too bad you are selling, looks like nicely made truck

Overdriven 10.13.2010 08:30 PM

Mistercrash, saw you're interested in park flyers. I too have been bitten by the flying bug. The flight simulators definitely helped me out a bit. Now I have a Parkzone t28 trojan and a micro t28 trojan. I have to say I recommend the micro t28. Its easier to fly believe it or not, and can be flown in a smaller area. I love coming home from work and flying it up and down my block. I've hit some power lines and then the ground, but nothing has broke, only pushed the lower cowl in a little. Great little plane, and on calm days someone with only simulator experience should be fine with it.

jpoprock 10.14.2010 09:48 AM

I have toyed with buying this from Ray because it is a sweet custom truck. But my buddies and I are working on our design using the Erevo tranny, so it would be silly for me to buy this. I've begged Ray to let me buy some of his spare parts that I need, but he wants to try and sell it all in one shot. (Look at me talking about him like he's not here, ha!). Ray: if u sell it, let me know to whom so I can see if he really needs all those parts!!)

I'd like to know who out there uses big tires with a big motor, like Ray does... And if they have diff probls too? I still say if you went to a 1515 and used low profile 40s tires like Bow Ties, it would solve the probl. Maybe just a tire swap alone would? I know that on this same set up, the bigger the tires, the more prone I was to blowing diffs. This tells me that the Losi diffs may not be able to handle it. Maybe the TiNi gears would help? I'm pretty sure it's the Losi diff or nothing right? You can't run anything else?

I'm almost done with my custom XXL chassis set up, Bro too, so, I guess I'll have to find out for myself and experiment with tires. Bro uses the Nova cups. I use the HD cups. Not sure if Ray used Nova cups or not. Ray?

Good luck buddy! Yer efforts were much admired!

Btw.. I too would love to own that flight simulator program! I've never messed with planes, but would like to someday.

J

mistercrash 10.14.2010 09:52 AM

Finnster
If you can get 6 mm shafts to work it would be good. The 5 mm shafts were better than stock but I did manage to bend one. I was able to bend it back straight. Then it did bend again in a bad landing from very high up. That's when I changed it with another 5 mm shaft I had made. I think the rods I used are just too soft.

Overdriven
Thanks for the suggestions, I looked up those planes and they are very cool. I bookmarked the website.

jpoprock
I used Losi HD cups. As for the 40 series Mashers being too heavy, my son has the same tires on his ERBE which is running the stock Traxxas diffs. I know it's not the same truck, and not the same motor and he doesn't run on 6S. But still he uses those same tires and the puny little Traxxas diffs hold up. I think the weight of the truck is the major problem, there's no way to make it significantly lighter. And the wheel/tire combo might be a bit heavy but really they are not THAT heavy. The motor might be too torquey but this heavy truck needs torque to make interesting to play with. And if another one tells me that the slipper is too tight, I'm gonna become very very angrrrrry :lol:
Can't wait to see those project LSTs you guys have in the works.

I READJUSTED MY PRICE ON MY LST XXL following the suggestion of someone and his nameless friends :mdr: For those who PMed me asking for the price, I dropped that price by $50.

mistercrash 10.18.2010 10:28 AM

Deal pending

nitrostarter 10.18.2010 11:42 AM

Can't wait to have some fun with this animal!

mistercrash 10.18.2010 12:49 PM

SOLD! It's hard to tame but yes, you'll have fun.

JThiessen 10.18.2010 03:10 PM

hA-HA! What it been.....5 months??? I knew you'd be back in one soon!!!!

nitrostarter 10.18.2010 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JThiessen (Post 384437)
hA-HA! What it been.....5 months??? I knew you'd be back in one soon!!!!

HA!!

Caught me! Man, I only ran my prior one 3 times and I regret selling it. So I had to pick up this work of art from MC.

nitrostarter 10.25.2010 09:37 PM

MC: Wow! Theres sooo many extra parts in here!! Thanks a bunch! Great seller and great deal!

Put my electronics in there. And charged up some 6s packs.

Those big ole tires sure get squirrelly when they balloon at high speeds. Looks like I broke the tape loose on one of the Mashers. O well. I'll keep beating it.

I definitely need to gear down. Its too fast on 6s as it is. And I need to tighten up on the slipper clutch, it was SMOKING!

All in all, its was a great deal from MC. I'll do a little tuning of my own to get it where I like it. I'm having fun with it so far! The low CG battery setup definitely helps!!

mistercrash 10.26.2010 10:19 AM

Glad you're happy. Now that I have confirmation that you're satisfied, I can spend the money :lol:

nitrostarter 10.26.2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mistercrash (Post 385417)
Glad you're happy. Now that I have confirmation that you're satisfied, I can spend the money :lol:

Wait! I found something I'm unhappy with! I want the refund! :lol::lol:


Only kidding! :na:

mistercrash 10.26.2010 01:27 PM

By the way, I don't know if you noticed in all the spare parts you have but there's a genuine MC 8th scale center diff for that Revo tranny in there.

nitrostarter 10.26.2010 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistercrash (Post 385444)
By the way, I don't know if you noticed in all the spare parts you have but there's a genuine MC 8th scale center diff for that Revo tranny in there.


That is one item I examined pretty closely! Thanks!


I want to say that Ray's custom work is really top notch! The finished product on this conversion as well as the spares and such that were custom finished look professional and clean! Very good craftsmanship here, you can see the pride in his work!

nitrostarter 10.28.2010 10:22 PM

So I'll keep this thread alive...

After 3 packs through this truck, I'm glad I bought it thats for sure.

On the 2nd pack, the run ended short when the rear motor support came out of the slot on a big crash. It allowed the motor's front endbell to come apart from the can. I'm not sure what happened during production of this Neu motor. The front endbell only has 1 small Allen set screw holding the front endbell in place. Normally there's 4 of them.

So I pulled the Neu motor out and inspected everything. The motor still runs fine.

But I wanted to try the CC1520 motor that I picked up on the sale in here. I installed it and geared her with a 22t pinion instead of the 26t used on the Neu. I just ran the 3rd pack through it. The 1520 is seems just as strong and ran just as cool! No issues here. I did not install the rear motor brace again, yet...

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../Photo0063.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../Photo0062.jpg

I noticed, one of the Mashers in the rear came un-taped. The problem this causes if it makes the truck pull hard on some high speed passes.
I'm definitely in the market for some good low-profile 40 series bashing tires tho.

I'm thinking of getting a CC1717 to run in here on 6s as well. I'll definitely need to support the rear of this motor...

mistercrash 10.28.2010 11:04 PM

Cory, you might want to call Neutronics about that 1521. The motor had just gotten back from them and had a couple runs on it only when I shipped the truck to you. They replaced the stator. I have the receipt for the repair that was done under warranty. If you want it I will send it to you.


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