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sleebus.jones 03.20.2008 08:11 AM

G, you nailed it. Good post.

hobbimaster 03.20.2008 09:10 AM

Its all china's fault! CC, if you cant get the chips, capacitors, and circuit boards you need, there are these things called vacuum tubes, and contactors! :lol: Still waitning on those pesky plactic cases to be manufactured? No problem, Rubbermaid makes a mean trash can, I'm sure they can build a case for you, they might even be able to put wheels on it too! :yes: JK.

lutach 03.20.2008 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hobbimaster (Post 156340)
Its all china's fault! CC, if you cant get the chips, capacitors, and circuit boards you need, there are these things called vacuum tubes, and contactors! :lol: Still waitning on those pesky plactic cases to be manufactured? No problem, Rubbermaid makes a mean trash can, I'm sure they can build a case for you, they might even be able to put wheels on it too! :yes: JK.

I already said in rcgroups if they need electronic components I can help.

Sammus 03.20.2008 11:06 AM

props to glassdoc, nice post.

gtxracer 03.20.2008 04:29 PM

Damn....pushed back again. Good thing I didn't sell my setup...

Arct1k 03.20.2008 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glassdoctor (Post 156310)
Actually... can anyone here name a release date? I don't recall any...

Yes the first post a quote from CC for March 2008...

In reality I think 99.9% here are strong fans and supporters of CC, thats really not the issue - 99.8% are all just a bit miffed of not having the MMM yet and being told soon soon soon... who wouldn't be...

This thread is just lots of testosterone filled venting... Very therapeutic really...

I don't actually expect anyone from CC to read this - do you?

johnrobholmes 03.20.2008 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arct1k (Post 156431)

I don't actually expect anyone from CC to read this - do you?

I do, and I know they have.

lincpimp 03.20.2008 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE (Post 156314)
Hey Pimp why don't you send in a butler monkey to straighten all of this out for CC:lol:. HA HA HA:rofl:

Hmmm, I may be able to do that, as long as they can send him back with a mmm or two!

I for one, would like to thank CC for making the great little MM. I have beaten the tar out of mine (all 7 of them!), and had excellent results. The value for money is great, as is the performance. I would also like to thank them for making the MMM, as it will fill an important need, even if it is not the huge seller that the MM is. I can't blame them for bringing out other products first, as the sidewinder and the sw micro are volume sellers, and appear to a much wider audience. Plus I love the ccbec, great little item there! Big props to CC for making great products!

team3six 03.21.2008 12:46 AM

I have to say something and I am gonna do it publicaly. Castle Creations! I am Very Sorry. I have to say that the worst enemy of these forums is believeing what everyone else says and not following the the true reality of what it takes to actually make this happen. There may had been some dates thrown but in all honesty, Nothing was ever set in stone. Just posts and it was to the best of my recolection possiblities, Not actuals!

I am still awaiting the MMM upon its arrival and will wait patiently.

Im sorry to stir the pot to those members I may of mislead in the whole undertsanding based on hearsay!

sleebus.jones 03.21.2008 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by team3six (Post 156516)
I have to say that the worst enemy of these forums is believeing what everyone else says and not following the the true reality of what it takes to actually make this happen.

Amen, brother.

TexasSP 03.21.2008 10:11 AM

I think for some the anticipation is kinda like when Beavis and Butthead got to the point in their movie and thought it was "that time" and it still wasn't and then Butthead was like whatever then Beavis freaked. "It's never gonna happen" and yadda yadda yadda. Some of the posters on here are like Beavis and the others like Butthead. Beavis thinks the world has ended because of all the angst he created for himself and not having the satisfaction of "release" while Butthead just takes it in stride and moves on knowing in his heart that "his" time will come.

One key thing is that Beavis' reacton did nothing to help the situation or make it come to fruition and Butthead always had the lower blood pressure and would occasionally have to smack Beavis so he would snap out of it.

So learn a life lesson from our friends Beavis and Butthead and calm down and go on and don't listen to everyone and just enjoy life. :na:

:lol::rofl:

johnrobholmes 03.21.2008 12:15 PM

http://duggmirror.com/offbeat_news/A...beavisreal.jpg

lincpimp 03.21.2008 01:04 PM

Are you ok John, you look horrible. But that is what you get when you try to fight cats in the bathroom.

ssspconcepts 03.21.2008 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasSP (Post 156565)
I think for some the anticipation is kinda like when Beavis and Butthead got to the point in their movie and thought it was "that time" and it still wasn't and then Butthead was like whatever then Beavis freaked. "It's never gonna happen" and yadda yadda yadda. Some of the posters on here are like Beavis and the others like Butthead. Beavis thinks the world has ended because of all the angst he created for himself and not having the satisfaction of "release" while Butthead just takes it in stride and moves on knowing in his heart that "his" time will come.

One key thing is that Beavis' reacton did nothing to help the situation or make it come to fruition and Butthead always had the lower blood pressure and would occasionally have to smack Beavis so he would snap out of it.

So learn a life lesson from our friends Beavis and Butthead and calm down and go on and don't listen to everyone and just enjoy life. :na:

:lol::rofl:

That's quite a humorous analogy

bdebde 03.21.2008 03:21 PM

Gotta love beavis & butthead, uh huh huh! :rofl:

glassdoctor 03.21.2008 10:35 PM

So you calling me Butthead?????

LOL

TexasSP 03.21.2008 11:14 PM

Then I am calling myself Butthead too!!!!

glassdoctor 03.22.2008 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasSP (Post 156715)
Then I am calling myself Butthead too!!!!

Is that Avatar just for MMM threads? :rules:

Cain 03.22.2008 11:43 AM

Last time spoke with castle (this week), they said they are looking for it to be available for purchase mid april.

jhautz 03.22.2008 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by glassdoctor (Post 156310)
Actually... can anyone here name a release date? I don't recall any...

Seems like I'm a lone ranger in supporting CC here. I agree that they keep dangling a carrot but are not delivering. It's a classic Charlie Brown vs. Lucy thing.

But... most of the talk about the MMM has been "off the record" type of comments. The projections or prognostications about a release date have been rather vague IIRC.

IMO, anyone who is all bent out of shape over this needs to stop living-n-dying over the MMM and understand that Castle doesn't owe you anything for not meeting your hoped-for time frame.

Thanks to all the crying and bitching... now we likely will only get the typical BS answers about what's going on. I would much rather have straight talk and be disappointed (along with the guys at CC) with continued delays.

For everyone who says their boss would fire them or their company would loose a contract with this type of "performance".... that's great. The same thing applies here with Castle. Any pissed off customers can "fire" them and go buy the MMM from someone else. Oh yeah.... there is no one else to buy it from. Funny how that works.

I have my gripes about this too, but it has more to do with questioning the priority CC put on the MMM project (and how much that has impacted the delay) and not about how they handle public relations.

Peace LOL


I haven't read much on here where people are "pissed off" at CC. I simply see criticism of the way they handled the communication of this MMM to the public and people relating their view of the situation to their personal perspective. I can't speak for anyone else on here, But I certainly am not "living-n-dying" over the MMM as you said. If/when the MMM is finally released I will likely get one to run and evaluate. Hopefully it is "all that and a bag of chips" like everyone is expecting at this point. But that is yet to be seen by anyone.

If CC feels that most of the communication out there has all been "off the record" hearsay, they have had more than ample time and opportunity to clarify the companies true position and fix this situation. There have been countless posts on many forums from many different people from the CC organization, up to and including the president of the company, giving different pieces of this "off the record" info that continued to feed all of the expectations that have come and gone over the last couple years.

CC chose to make a big splash way to early on this project... I think that is pretty clear and impossible to argue with. This was a mistake that I think they will admit to, but since that time they have continued to perpetuate this early mistake. They continued to confuse their potential customers with a series of less than official dates and pieces of information slowly leaking out over time and in different manners. Phone conversations with customer service, emails responding to questions then posted to forums, and many posts in many forums from many CC representatives all giving little pieces of info that are left open to interpretation by the consumers.

How can CC possibly be annoyed at the consumer for being confused and disappointed. The information they gave has been many things... vague, confusing, many times conflicting, sometimes specific, yet ultimately inaccurate. And... it continues to be that way.

There are 2 ways for them to actually help themselves.

1) Stop giving silly, useless and inaccurate pieces of information in places like this and other forums, phone conversations, and emails. All this does is serve to feed the unfortunate situation. (sounds like that may actually be happening now)

2) Take an official position, communicate it clearly in some official manner. (like their website)

Then Boom.... No more confused consumers.


This is a mess that they created... Only they can fix it. All the talk and boloney on this and other forums only serves to make the situation worse.

Happywing 03.23.2008 11:39 AM

I think this got blown out of proportion. People get mad when they don't set a date. People get mad when they mention a tentative date. CC can't win. If I was them, I wouldn't say a damn thing ever again...until the day it's out. No matter how pissed off you'all get, you're going to flock to the store/site to get it. They probably have a bunch of them ready to go, but they are waiting for more before they release. Think of the PR if they released the MMM, but with limited availability.

Chapito 03.23.2008 02:40 PM

I figured the whole thing out about 8 months ago. When it's ready for purchase, we'll be able to get one. Even the surest guesstimated release date is speculation at best. In my mind, it is a race. The winner of the race, be it Mamba, Quark, or Tekin, will be the first to get my money. In the mean time, my 125b/Neu combo has been flawless for well over a year now, so I don't care who wins the race or takes my money.:smile:

glassdoctor 03.23.2008 03:23 PM

"I can neither confirm nor deny..."

That's all we can expect from here on out, and I can't blame Castle. I'm sure they would do things different if they could go back and do over. But they honestly didn't know it would have been delayed so long.

I think nobody is more upset than Joe and the boys at CC, so we need to give them a break.

If any of you guys still talk to Shawn Palmer... you know that his experience at CC with the Mamba 25 and MM have taught him a lesson. His philosophy is to not say anything until the product is done. BUT.... his new company (Schumacher) still does the same thing sometimes... leaking info too early and making everyone wait, without a firm date. But he's not happy when they do that.... cause he's the one stuck dealing with the consumer.

lutach 03.23.2008 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glassdoctor (Post 157075)
"I can neither confirm nor deny..."

That's all we can expect from here on out, and I can't blame Castle. I'm sure they would do things different if they could go back and do over. But they honestly didn't know it would have been delayed so long.

I think nobody is more upset than Joe and the boys at CC, so we need to give them a break.

If any of you guys still talk to Shawn Palmer... you know that his experience at CC with the Mamba 25 and MM have taught him a lesson. His philosophy is to not say anything until the product is done. BUT.... his new company (Schumacher) still does the same thing sometimes... leaking info too early and making everyone wait, without a firm date. But he's not happy when they do that.... cause he's the one stuck dealing with the consumer.

Shawn Palmer still have a lot to learn.

TexasSP 03.23.2008 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glassdoctor (Post 156779)
Is that Avatar just for MMM threads? :rules:

Not intentionally but if the shoe fits.......

:lol:

Mister-T 03.24.2008 12:18 PM

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=193

"Right now, the Monster is ready -- all parts in stock to build 2500 pcs. Just no cases. It's a shame too, because we thought that the packing would be the last thing to arrive -- and we've had boxes for almost three weeks now."

snellemin 03.24.2008 12:30 PM

I'll be happy with heatshrink as a casing.

extremexmods 03.24.2008 01:33 PM

Dude, buy some legos and some CA glue and make your own cases.

BrianG 03.24.2008 02:17 PM

...or mod a RadioShack project enclosure...

lutach 03.24.2008 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianG (Post 157304)
...or mod a RadioShack project enclosure...

That's what I'm doing with my Kontroniks 40A controller :lol:.

JERRY2KONE 03.24.2008 02:30 PM

Direction.
 
Come on guys lets not go off in another direction again:lol:. CC will work this out on their own in house so they can keep everything in their court. If it delays the release so be it. This is their problem and they have to finish what they started. Be patient and lets stop being so hard on them. None of us wants to wait, but that is just the nature of the beast. At least they are nearly ready to release 2500 units, which is great for us:yes:. From my view at least they will not run out of MMM's within a few days, and everyone who wants one should be able to get their hands on one:yes:. I am willing to bet that some of us will buy two of them right off the bat, because we know it will be worth it. Delivery time is nearly here.:yipi::party:

Mister-T 03.24.2008 02:31 PM

Here we go heatshrink for the people o/

TexasSP 03.24.2008 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snellemin (Post 157291)
I'll be happy with heatshrink as a casing.

I would second that motion.

bdebde 03.24.2008 03:19 PM

Perhaps a RC-Monster special edition with heatshrink.

crazyjr 03.24.2008 03:52 PM

On RCGroups, Patrick said part of the delay was that they wanted the esc to run with RTR AM radio's and no interference. I wish they had said this first off, but its nice to know everyone will be able to run it without upgrades (at least not radio upgrades).

lutach 03.24.2008 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyjr (Post 157322)
On RCGroups, Patrick said part of the delay was that they wanted the esc to run with RTR AM radio's and no interference. I wish they had said this first off, but its nice to know everyone will be able to run it without upgrades (at least not radio upgrades).

I would never recommend anyone using a AM radio with so much power. Castle should make that a must. My truck on 6S will run out of range in a heart beat and if a kid gets carried away who knows what might happen. I had my MBX5T loose signal 2 times and good thing for the curb.

RBMike 03.24.2008 04:07 PM

They probably want it to work with an RTR radio so that they can "partner" with one of the car companies & make a E-RTR 1/8th.

JERRY2KONE 03.24.2008 04:10 PM

Ouch.
 
Ouch curbs can hurt. Hope your truck was not too badly broken. Still you are correct. If you are going to play with the kind of power that we expect from the MMM then you should have a better than RTR radio in hand to use it. I would think before long everyone will be running with synthisized computer radios with proprietory controls for the lack of signal loss. Of course it would be nice if the cost of those radios would come down some for the average R/C enthusiest. :lol:

Mister-T 03.24.2008 04:14 PM

They just try to hit the largest number of customer possible, The sidewinder is a good example

lutach 03.24.2008 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE (Post 157327)
Ouch curbs can hurt. Hope your truck was not too badly broken. Still you are correct. If you are going to play with the kind of power that we expect from the MMM then you should have a better than RTR radio in hand to use it. I would think before long everyone will be running with synthisized computer radios with proprietory controls for the lack of signal loss. Of course it would be nice if the cost of those radios would come down some for the average R/C enthusiest. :lol:

Truck is OK :yipi:. It's my MBX5T. Just a couple bent aluminum parts and a broken bottom arm mount and draglink. When and if my controllers gets done, I will only use Spektrum or other high quality radios, but no AM.


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