Aaah, the days of Nimh. :yes:

The test equipment showed Lies at work huh?

Well some things just never change do they?

Now adays, Maxamps has rebadged their 6500SS Lipos Series, put a different label on the 30C packs and created a whole new line of Lipos.

Introducing the NEW "True 150C" series.

About the only thing that HAS changed now is:

We make claims waaaay beyond the limitations of ANY test equipment. But they will show a 7C discharge graph to represent this "New" breakthrough technology!

Yuck! I just threw up a little.

In the end what is the motivation to change?

I ask that because they've sold and continue to sell piles of packs..

I see the name plastered in every magazine and for all of the in house tests I almost always see MaxAmps pointed out as the batteries used for the testing. Over and over again pubs like RC Car Action tout the new packs and the "amazing" capabilities they offer.

When using them for RC it is rare to even push the realistic limits of the packs so they continue to up the ante by pushing the ratings to the point where they are almost absurd yet there aren't any reputable pubs that stand up and validate their claims (or they simply don't have the gear to do it).

I am interested in pushing the packs to the advertised capabilities however I realize I'll just be another poster on this forum providing good information to those of us that already know the reality, in the end I don't think the expense and effort will provide real value to the greater market since the platform to push the information is limited.

Yes, that's why I will never and have never bought their batts. I saw this when they were selling GP3300 packs on ebay way back when. They were selling 6 cell packs for ~$5 more than everyone else, and promised ridiculous cell voltage numbers on untested, unmatched and unproven cells.

Their guarantee was complete BS, as they knew no one would ever actually test the cells with proper equipment, but it sounded like a killer deal compared to the high end matched packs. They sold tons of them with this scam.

This is their business model. BS all the specs, hype the batts, target the suckers, overcharge to give illusion of quality, and cash in.

IMO, they are ebay scam artists made big. They would make Nigerian 419'ers proud. I don't get too involved in all these bashing threads (which they always become) as its rather pointless anymore. If you are foolish enough to pay for their overpriced, shabby little packs, you haven't been paying attn. Loads of people are, which says more about consumers than them at this point.
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From the 2005 thread linked above. Same story as in 2010. BS, BS, BS until you get caught, then deflect and spin and put on happy faces. Notice Austin doesn't deny lying, merely justifies it as everyone is lying too. I'm sure if the thread went on long enough he'd publicly offer to exchange the packs and get congratulations of great CS.



You are the only battery company I know of that claims to sell GP cells that are 100% 1.18+ volts. That in itself is unprecedented. For the record, even if your cells are at best just lower 1.17s (as cr250's test indicated) they are NOT a good deal! There are several matching companies out there that sell matched packs for nearly the same price as your unmatched ones. With all other things being equal, a matched pack is always superior to an unmatched one.

I find your other statements confusing; if a matcher cycles cells 3 to 4 times to get consistent performance label numbers, it's bad. You claim they've used up most of the good cycles and there are only a couple of good cycles left in them. If a customer buys MaxAmps batteries and cycles them 4 to 6 times in an effort to find their hidden 1.18+ potential, that's good. Who do you believe you are addressing with these ridiculous statements? Do you think we are a bunch of mindless, uneducated morons? Your statements are incredibly demeaning! Bottom line, a customer thoroughly tested one of your packs and it did not come close to 1.18 volts.

If you guys are actually serious about testing, and will pay the money. Get yourself a 2s 6500 150C battery and attach to your 8th scale geared up, and log a run on it. In all reality, nobody is going to do it. You dont really care, you just like to complain and talk trash about maxamps. You also don't care that it has been repeatedly stated that it's a 75C constant rating, you still rag on it as them claiming its 150C constant. I know the way they "rate" this one as opposed to any other is reason enough to call them out on it, but to keep on about it just gets old.

A class action lawsuit? Get real, first you'd actually have to buy one of their packs, which from what I've read won't ever happen, and then prove their false claims.

I've seen a lot of "probably"s and "likely"s with no attempt to back up your claims from you posters trashin on Maxamps, what's the difference between what you're saying vs. what you're bitchin about maxamps saying?

As someone posted a few pages back, you guys took the bait, you should drop this thread, it's been a couple months, there are no more graphs coming.

Im not siding or defending maxamps, but for someone who just read through this entire thread during the last couple hours, it seems pretty well useless to continue on, everybody knows you guys don't care for maxamps but yet you keep giving them more of your time and attention to prove your dead horse point repeatedly.

Sorry, just expected a little more class from this forum after wasting my time through 33 pages of nothing. If any of you really did half expect anything more out of what you're used to with maxamps, then shame on you.

Actually, sir, we do care. That is why we continue to complain. We hate seeing MA lead people on with their claims of superior performance with nothing backing them up. We were hoping for a change since they hired a "new" marketing director. Though it turns out they lied about that, too. Before MA, he had been the editor of a RC mag with MA as one of their main sponsors, so basically he had been working for them all along.

Any legal action against MA would be ridiculous. I have to agree with you on that point. As dishonest as their claims are, not a single person on this forum would be willing to pay for a lawyer to go after them...even if the costs were split.

Sorry to have disappointed you with the literary quality of the thread. What did you expect? You seem to be familiar with the whole MA situation here...so why did you bother to read the whole thread in the first place and then suddenly become angry about doing so when it turned out to be the same old story?

I guess the same reason everyone else did :oops:

What could you possibly expect out of a new MARKETING director though? Seriously, quality isn't going to change, just new ways to sell, and it seems they've done great in that department.

For me, poor quality or service isn't a deterrent, I have a really old maxamps battery that still works. I think anyways, I havent checked on it lately. Price is the factor that will keep me from ordering. It's newbs to the RC or lipo world that is what maxamps is after. Worked on me once, worked on my friend once as well, and probably a host of you guys as well. It's been a couple years since I've been overly active so I guess I happened onto this thread and overreacted to your reactions to the same old song and dance. I half expected trash talk, but I didn't really expect two months worth of maxamps leading you on. If you look at it the way I did (after the fact), you can see once the natives get restless, wilcox comes in and throws you a bone, then you settle down for a bit, then repeat. What was going to happen before halloween hasn't happened yet and it's nearing Christmas.

I guess we were expecting Brandon to deliver what noone else could... Solid proof of their performance claims. I think that's a great marketing strategy....

That certainly didn't help. We were told there would be proof of the new cells' performance and we never got it (at least we haven't yet :whistle:).

So then we hear the "cells" are rated for 75C CONTINUOUS... Ok, well that's still really good... Can we have proof of that? Sure! Here's a 7C discharge graph for ya...........

You see my point. :lol:

You're preachin to the choir. Im very much aware of the issues and everyone's point of view with them. Its almost as though you're dealing with someone who's always been up front and honest and glad to provide detailed charts. :rofl:

There was a small ray of hope, only because Mr. Wilcox initially showed interest in our concerns and offered to help...unlike anyone else who has represented MA on this forum in at least the time I've been here.

Really?

"this"

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I really dislike RC Car Action. I know this video has been
thoroughly discussed, but it is still funny to see RCCA pimp MA. What a joke! :lol:

Mate of mine got suckered into these Maxcramps packs, so over the weekend I'll do some Eagletree tests in my SCRT10 and compare them with my Enerland 5050mah 30C packs. Will post up the graphs and see if we can settle this.

Not sure if this has been posted but you may find this interesting. Here Just for reference brand P is maxamps if you can't work it out. I know this is not the 'true 150' batteries but maxamps doesn't change:whistle:

Kieren

Isn't it amazing how they're 1100mah "50C" pack would NOT carry a 22 amp load? A "True" 20C 1100mah pack would carry a 22 amp load.

This is a pack that is supposedly "rated" to deliver 55 amps continously. :rofl:

It is also amazing to see brand X perform the way it did. Much better performance would be expected from brand X according to its reputation and price. It kinda shows to me that any company can fling BS at me, no matter what their reputation is. It shows to me that when it comes to lipos, no company can be trusted until some standardized testing of lipos is established. It also shows me that the old saying ''you get what you paid for'' that has been said to me so many times when I started in brushless is also BS. Not because the people that said it were mean, because they didn't really know what they were talking about. No one knows really, without standardized testing of cells, you can get a bad pack from any company out there. I mean, the cells pretty much come from the same places.

Right now, quality control and CS is what defines the better companies and that's it. So ''you get what you paid for'' relates to what the good companies are willing to do to fix the problem of bad lipo cells finding their way in their lipo packs. These companies that are trying their best to do the right thing must suffer from the lack of standardization on the testing of the cells they buy. It all starts with the manufacturer of those cells, that's where a global standardization is needed. Cells come out, are tested in the same manner that is globally recognized and then graded. Like beef. Grade A cells, grade B cells etc. Now the companies that buy cells to assemble packs and sell them can chose the quality of the cells they put in them and price accordingly. And WE will finally know what we are really buying and finally the words ''you get what you pay for'' will regain their true meaning.

I wonder what maxamps would do If you sent them a discharge graph made on a CBA analyzer for one of there packs, then asked for your money back for poor performace.

Well my attempts to get a decent comparison failed, bashing was a Slash VXL (VXL motor died, rotor shattered so was running a Turnigy 36-50-3300kv 2 pole toaster) The "new"Max Amps race editions tripped the VXL's LVC after 5 minutes, threw my older race pack in (Enerland 5050mah 30C) which I'd done 10 minutes in my SCRT10 with, and was fine for another half hour.

...would indicate a great deal of voltage sag under load, so early in the discharge curve too.

I found this VERY interesting......http://spokane.craigslist.org/mnu/2144760186.html Yeah sure, pay me 9 bucks an hour to assemple your $200 battery packs. That is BARELY above minimum wage here.

Must..........resist........................ Flaming ..................MA, sigh of exasperation.

Simply awesome find. Make sure to get a screen copy before it gets deleted. Priceless, 9 an hour. Pathetic.

I am very torn by these last few posts.
If someone happens to mention the cost of MA's packs, it seems a line forms to see who can join in and bash the fastest. Now the complaint is MA is trying to keep their costs low which is somehow bad.
And before anyone accuses me of favoritism, I am a competitor of MA.
Come on guys.

95% of the crap they get from this forum is brought upon themselves for various reasons.

Not debating that at all.

One day this thread will die. I will not miss it.

Why do I always have this image in my head whenever I think of Maxamps?

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...-stay-puft.jpg

Cost of the packs is completely beside the point.

MA have CONSITENTLY made claims that their products simply could not back up. They have provided little to no factual information (graphs, etc) to back up their products. They bully individuals if any claims against their specs are put out. I could go on and on (and have done so) about what I have seen them do since they started selling lipo.

There is a reason why they are not on this site as a mfg anymore, might want to look into that before you go any further.

And yes, they do sell a product at a preimium price that is generally viewed here as middle of the road, performance-wise. Yes their stuff works, in a crawler or if you put an "8000mah 30c" in a rustler. But us here that run heavy powerful fast electric rc have found that their stuff does just not measure up. Maybe the packs work in ROAR approved spec racing or something like that but they do not work in a 15lb monster truck that is geared for 60mph. Since they have started they have routinely rated lipos 10c or greater than what the batts can actually do. Now they are throwing out 150c or 75c or WTFc or whatever. Just pure BS, as always.

Have their products got better? Yes, they have, but they are still putting out ridiculous specs and generally trying to sell via advertising that is just not true. I know the crawler bunch like them, and I know that they sell to alot of traxxas owners. Do the plane guys use MA? Do the EDF jet guys use MA????? How about the big Heli guys doing 3d? No, they do not. Want the best, look to the people pushing the envelope, just that simple. See what they are using.

I use RCM parts for my builds when I can cause makes the best stuff. I use CC products because they make the best too. I used to use enerland mfg cells when they were the best too. Lipo tech has come along way, and prices are dropping while power and quality are going up.

I am not questioning any of the past history noted, however a couple of the illogical posts above are confusing. That's all; no more, no less.

That and $9 an hour is still 100x the pay for the kids in china. They'll never be able to compete on cost alone.

My point is that I always figured they would pay their employess a little more than minimum wage. Im betting they have no benefits, no paid vacation and no paid holidays. But maybe, just maybe they get to use the Maxamps track if they want..YIPPEE! And they treat customers like crap, so how are the employees treated? Makes me glad i have a job already!

I Honestly have no intrest in the product or employment. Hopfully there nine dollar guys didnt get suckered into two bucks:lol:

if they paid you a battery a day you'd be rolling in dough!!!

I thought the 13th amendment made Slavery illegal in the USA? Apparantly not.

I agree with SPC, comments on this are a bit over the top. Jesus, it says 9+ DOE. More than fast food, and its a job! To the 8.5% of unemployed people in washington, it's a job. What do you expect? 100K/year with benefits to assemble packs? It's shit like this makes everything in this country move overseas and stuff that's actually still made here cost 500 times more than it should. People need to drop this sense of entitlement and come to terms with reality, or continue to hand over our status to China. Kind of off topic, should never have been brought up, but at least they are hiring. Unfortunately, they aren't going to get my business anymore in spite of everything I just stated. I'm sure they could be competitive and honest and cut their prices and costs on advertising and reflect that in their product but why? Whatever they're doing is working and there is too much money being made now to turn back. When it all catches up to them, they'll be under.

Then it's "Puff Pastry"

Minimum wage here is $8.67/hour. And yeah it says $9 DOE but nobody will get hired at anything above 9. Most places now will train people with no experience before they will hire an experienced worker....just so they can pay less. Sad, but very true. Just sayin'

Now off to something really off topic.....http://gogoburrito.com/ I wonder if brandon is the marketing director for this place also? I have driven by this place litterally hundreds of times and could not for the life of me figure out why the sign looks soo familiar. After looking online i figured out it was owned by Austin Else. Looks like good stuff, I might actually give Austin some of my money and try it out. The sign outside the store says "Burrito and a beer for $10" It better be a damn good burrito! I might head of there today for lunch actually :yes:

Unemployment pays up to 10 bucks an hour. Its hard for someone to take something like that when they can sit at home and make more money. Its a good argument both ways, we need cheap good labor, and we also need to make a living. I know I couldnt feed my family on 9 bucks an hour. I think unemployment in Vegas is around 16%. When I see jobs pop up in this price range they are met with some pretty nasty comments even out here.

Getting back on topic. I'm patiently waiting for the graphs that were promised.

That made me spit my coffee out on the PC screen. :lol:

Now, you can hire someone for $9/hr to fix it. :smile:

How do you think that would work out? :rofl: