Both Tekin and Castle Creations are toying around with us. I really feel depressed...:(

You almost had me there! :wink:

I personally wouldn't put Tekin in the same category actually. In fact, I saw them at our local track this weekend running their 8ight-T and 8ight buggy with prototype ESC's. They both performed very well and they seem to be very close. Granted, that's just my observation and not any kind of official word from Tekin in any way.

At least Tekin is running their product. The only MMM sighting was in a Barbie PowerWagon or some such foolishness.

DM

Very true - and for what it's worth, their testing seems to be working pretty well. I know they're trying to really push it to test it's limits and from what I see it's performing excellent.

@ Duster_360: The new Novak system will be out early '08 with a little luck.

Thanks for that info, worth noting in the overall scheme of things for plans. I was going to get one now, but after dnloading the instructions and reading how they want it geared, no thanks, I want a little more speed than that, lol!

Will prob be out before we see a MMM.....

That wasn't a MMM, that was two MM.

But by god, we have a 10A BEC. Woot. *yawn*

Aye, that was the case. Maybe CC should just bolt 2 MMs together in one plastic case and call it an MMM, then paint a feigao XL motor green to go with it....

I wonder if the production of the CC BEC was a something that holding up the MMM (maybe?????:sleep:) Could be a sign of what to expect if the MMM ever does come out - if so we might be looking at a 6S ESC with a built-in programmable switching BEC - that would be very nice :)

I would like to think that the built-in UBEC wasn't the only thing holding it back! Switchers are actually quite simple really, and should be fairly easy to replace the linear BEC. No, I would think the problems stem more from the programming aspect and trying to get it to work with all motors (noteably slotted stator types).

The guys at CC might simply not know what the ESCs are capable of. I hooked up a Plettenberg Extreme on a MM and it is working great. Really smooth and it only got warm after about 15 minutes. In Plettenberg's website states they are built with 4 and 6 poles. I don't know what pole the Extreme motor has, but it is a great motor. I only used 7.4 volts and I'll try 11.1 volts some other time to see if it can handle it.

It is interesting given what were getting out of the MM why they couldn't "fuse" two together...

S/W aside... 6s on a 2 pole motor would be cool...

Actually, those were Mamba Max's...not Monster Max's. ;) And you know we're not running ours how???

Getting warmer...

And warmer...

Gents, ALL of these are reasons product development takes time. Yes, we are working on software to run ALL motors. The MMM does have features and capability the MM does not. This also takes time. Developing our own motors is also in development, but we are looking into releasing the ESC first.

It doesn't make any sense at all. I have tried the MM with a 4 and a 6 poles motors and it worked fine.

no offence but we have been hearing for months about castle looking into releasing the esc first. is there any info you can give? has any time table been set?

True and Bomb-proof did pletty max and big max'es and no trouble. I think the problem is how the Neu's are built that the MM has trouble with, not the slot or not.

My MM worked fine with my Neu 1521 and 1527. My BBP truggy wasn't fast due to the low Kv of the motors, but it worked fine. The Neu are built kind of like the Aveox and the MM worked fine with it. Only a little cogging, but nothing out of control.

Sensored and sensorless...all pole counts.

How can you give a timetable on something that you're inventing? We don't give out estimates for that reason...you never know when something you're inventing is going to be done until it is. ;)

I hated the cogging with my 1515/1y. Just me but when I wanted my E-Maxx to go I wanted it to go. Just me.

you can give a timetable based on the progress that is being made. maybe not an exact date but a ball park.

also I have heard that the esc was done months ago but waiting on motors. basically we are just looking for any info or incentive to hold off on buying something else.

Sorry, but you can't do that in this business. If we give an estimate and it takes longer than expected we have a lot of upset people on our hands because we didn't release it on the estimated date.

At least you are looking at the forums, and seeing what fellow rc'ers are looking for. Thats a good sign. Now the next step will just be to release the darn thing. :lol:

okay,but I really think your lack of information is turning people away. in april on another forum you said "The ESCs are pretty much done...we're pretty good at those" yet 6 months later there is no info, and no update. :( really I like my MM but with the lack of info and these type of response "you never know when something you're inventing is going to be done until it is. ;)"
I am finding it harder to justify giving my money to castle. I really dont think I am asking for much. Just some information. If castle is unable to give any real information then I will just have to take my $$$ elsewhere.


atleast with tekin they might be way behind schedule but we do know the units exist and are working.

Seems to me you have enough upset people at the moment to worry about upsetting them with a wrong release date. :whistle:

This thread alone has over 600 posts dating back to last year. You can understand Gixxer's attitude because we are all like children in a way. (no offence Gixxer) If you promise something you better produce something. But you’re not talking with children. We are all adults here. We have no proof that you are even working on a Monster Max. I can understand secrecy but why promise a product you never report to us on? All we want is information. What’s the hold up? Software? Electronics? Mass production? We all understand that making something from scratch takes time. We all convert things. (RC’s) We understand time. I feel the issue is if Castle is not being straight forward with me why should I wait for a product from them. I have needs now that I can spend my money on. Why wait for something I really don’t know will come out. If Castle wants more business then they need to give a little. I know there are many people on more forums then this one that have waited a long time. That’s money Castle is giving to other companies because of their lack of information. We have all seen companies go out of business because of the same mistake. We can go other places for the same things. It would be amazing to see how many tempers would cool off with a little update from Castle. Might have a few people looking for other products wait a little longer. IMO:neutral:

I am not mad or angry but I am starting to look other places for solutions to problems I have now.:no:

I am not just getting by with my MM, It is performing very well with some minor modifications. I ran a 30min main this past Sunday with my 1/8 buggy with no issues. Temps in the 140's. I'm running an Neu 1512 2d/f and have no cogging. I don't need an MMM. I am just starting a truggy project and that will have an MM in it too...unless the Tekin or MMM come out first:rofl:

exactly, I can understand delays but to not give any updates is basically just driving your customers away.

Been there done that...bought a MGM Compro.

Because Castle has not given us any information to the contrary.

Some expectations were set, certain teaser web pages were posted, certain comments from Castle reps were made, be it online or at events in person, and that created demand. Both demand for a product and demand for information. I've no doubt that proclaiming a ship date would be a mistake however perhaps bringing us into the fold of your development cycle would show us that work is being done, progress is being made and that there is in fact light at the end of this tunnel.

It happens often in may other industries. I'll give you one example, Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac. Announced over a year ago, horribly delayed, Microsoft has since released a "preview" web site (http://www.macoffice2008.com/) with all the info about the product, screen shots, requirements, specs, movies of it in action, you name it. Why? To make the wait seem shorter and to show it's potential customers that they are working to serve their needs.

Sure we want the physical MMM in our hands but you would be surprised how thirst quenching a little information can be.

Thanks for posting.

DM

I fully agree except for the can't part. You could just as easily say that you can't say "coming soon" in bold letters at the top of a full web page promo and then fail to have the product out well over a year later; But Castle did and now there are alot of upset people. I'm not upset, but I am just about done waiting. By Christmas my Quark is going into "backup retirement". If there is still no mmm I'll order a Compro like everyone else and it will work just fine.

Most recent post on the subject from Patrick (owner of Castle) in the Monster Max thread in the CC forum on RCG.

Post date 9/6/07

Ah well,

Again it's my fault. We were going to release a version of the Mamba Max with stacked power boards and a switching regulator --

But it was just going to be WAY too expensive. And the performance wasn't all that great either.

So, I scrapped that plan. Now, we are close to being ready to beta the new design. It's a lot less expensive, and should perform better than the stacked board Mamba Max.

I'm sorry that the development has taken soooo long... but I wanted to be sure that we released a really COOL product that works really well (and was affordable), and I wasn't satisfied with what we had.

To be honest with you all, I'd rather take some extra time to be sure we release a product that meets the expectations our customers have come to expect of Castle Creations.

Patrick

Enough of an update?

Excellent thanks Joe.

Thanks for the update Joe. I just wish we could have been updated a little sooner. A little communication goes a long way and I think people are generally pretty accepting of the type of explaination you just listed. Hopefully people aren't too bent at the silence for so long. Either way, thanks for the update. I won't even ask about projected release date :lol:

Thank you, sounds very interesting.

DM

Ok can I be the one to point out that this was 4 weeks ago - what is the new news?

Beta done - testing in progress - targeted specs?

OK, at least things are sounding like progress is being made. At this point, curiosity is really getting the better of me.

Where's the preorder line? I'll pay for one now, just so that I can get it when they are released.

thanks for the update. can you give us any info as to specs? how many cells is this one expected to be for?

The occasional tid-bit of info is always welcome. it would be nice to know what specs you are aiming at though yeah, even if they arent the final specs, it would let people know if it might meet there needs; you know how power-hungry some of the guys are with their cells counts into 3 figures.... ;)

Good to hear a small update for a small time ago, now time for a little bigger update for the present time. :smile:

:yipi: Thanks Joe For the update. I can wait a little longer. (maybe):rofl: