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DRIFT_BUGGY 05.05.2008 06:59 PM
So would it be possible to buy the CC/Neu can and use it on Neu motors?
Was anything special done to the motors in covering the cooling holes?

TexasSP 05.05.2008 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DRIFT_BUGGY (Post 169738)
Around the same price as the current Neu's. The motors coming out from Tekno/Neu are the same price
The ones by tekno are still hand built by neu in their factory, the castle ones are a neu design but being mass produced in china at CC's factory. This is per patrick. I would expect the CC version to be 125-150

DRIFT_BUGGY 05.05.2008 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasSP (Post 169744)
The ones by tekno are still hand built by neu in their factory, the castle ones are a neu design but being mass produced in china at CC's factory. This is per patrick. I would expect the CC version to be 125-150
The 1st motor being built is the 1515 and would expect that to be around the 180 mark?

jnev 05.05.2008 08:56 PM
I would think it would be less than $180, because the ESC is going for ~$170~ about, and the combo is supposed to be selling for about $300 (street price).

DRIFT_BUGGY 05.05.2008 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jnev (Post 169782)
I would think it would be less than $180, because the ESC is going for ~$170~ about, and the combo is supposed to be selling for about $300 (street price).
Yeah, didn't think of that. The MM and CM36 is $10ish more if you don't buy them in the package

Sammus 05.05.2008 11:53 PM
Theres also something about the "proper" neu motors having a carbon stator, and the mass produced ones wont have. I think it was the stator, it was some familiar sounding component anyway :) And yes, there will be no big open holes like the current neus designed for aero use.

Mister-T 05.06.2008 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JeffEmbracedDC (Post 169141)
Not sure what you're referring to - but Roar has not banned sensorless systems. Sensorless motors and controllers are completely roar legal assuming they fall in to their other restrictions (rotor diameter, solder points, company name stamped on endbell, and most of all, rebuildable).

I'd be surprised if they came out with any "pro" 1/10th motors unless you considered castle-style neu 1509/1506 motors to fit that category. Though, who knows.
wrong, for example Tekin motor are rebuildable, with solde tabs and engraved endbell, they still failed ROAR approval why ?
They are delta wound,

ROAR legal motor must be Y wound motor, which is obviously more difficult to drive sensorless :/ ...

Patrick 05.06.2008 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Sammus (Post 169823)
Theres also something about the "proper" neu motors having a carbon stator, and the mass produced ones wont have. I think it was the stator, it was some familiar sounding component anyway :) And yes, there will be no big open holes like the current neus designed for aero use.
Your thinking of the rotor. :yes:

Sammus 05.06.2008 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Mister-T (Post 169864)
ROAR legal motor must be Y wound motor, which is obviously more difficult to drive sensorless :/ ...
Why is Y obviously more difficult to drive sensorless?

lutach 05.06.2008 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Mister-T (Post 169864)
wrong, for example Tekin motor are rebuildable, with solde tabs and engraved endbell, they still failed ROAR approval why ?
They are delta wound,

ROAR legal motor must be Y wound motor, which is obviously more difficult to drive sensorless :/ ...
You guys want to know a strange thing and why I don't like ROAR at all. The Trinity N60 and N40 are both Feigaos 380C and they seem to be Delta wound and they both are approved by ROAR. ROAR to me is like the FIA, but ROAR board seems to be getting their hands wet $$$$$$$ if you kow what I mean.

TexasSP 05.06.2008 11:49 AM
No, that just can't be true, I just don't believe it, I mean that would never happen........ :whistle:

It always seems like Bob Novak can make things happen with roar though. :rules:

Kind of like some have them :whip: and some don't.

crazyjr 05.06.2008 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 169879)
You guys want to know a strange thing and why I don't like ROAR at all. The Trinity N60 and N40 are both Feigaos 380C and they seem to be Delta wound and they both are approved by ROAR. ROAR to me is like the FIA, but ROAR board seems to be getting their hands wet $$$$$$$ if you kow what I mean.
Thats quite a claim, If its true, thats a heck of a conspiracy towards other brushless manufacturers. Because its in the rules that Y winds are the only ones legal.

I just checked the roar rules and trinity, the only brushless motors trinity is saying are legal are the duo 10.5 and 17.5 motors

lutach 05.06.2008 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by crazyjr (Post 169916)
Thats quite a claim, If its true, thats a heck of a conspiracy towards other brushless manufacturers. Because its in the rules that Y winds are the only ones legal.

I just checked the roar rules and trinity, the only brushless motors trinity is saying are legal are the duo 10.5 and 17.5 motors
Look at the bottom and it says they are ROAR legal http://www.superiorhobbies.com/istar...&id=TRI0201!SH.

I opened my Feigao 380C http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...AO_380C&cat=20 and my Trinity N60 and they look the same. You guys be the judge. I can't find my camera and once I do I'll show you guys the inside of both.

Five-oh-joe 05.06.2008 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mister-T (Post 169864)
wrong, for example Tekin motor are rebuildable, with solde tabs and engraved endbell, they still failed ROAR approval why ?
They are delta wound,

ROAR legal motor must be Y wound motor, which is obviously more difficult to drive sensorless :/ ...
Rotor is probably too big and MOST of the redline motors are probably delta wound (since most, but not all, are whole turns and do not have "half turns"). There's a few things that need to be met.

This is why I don't race... Too much politics and BS.:whistle:

SpEEdyBL 05.06.2008 06:23 PM
You can't always tell if a motor is wye or delta by looking at the inside. The lehner 19xx series for example can be switched from wye to delta only by resoldering a few connections on the rear endbell. You don't need to alter the coils.


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