The ESC melted down into a stinky pile of plastic.

I should know better than to post on forums.

You seem to have confused the fact that the MMM, old or new, or ANY esc for that matter can melt into a blob, for no apparent reason, at any time- par for the course, with the fact the esc case isnt all that secure. Like I said, just use a zip-tie and mount it somewhere suitable on the chassis that isnt going to course it to get damaged if you land on your lid. Not always easy, but then again, if there are other escs out their, like schulze, MGM and Quark- they have all been known to go into meltdown sometimes too, some more often than others. Have faith. And this isnt just a forum- its the friendliest, most knowledgable forum around...

Mine was waiting at work for me this morning. I popped the case open and my fan wires are not pinched, there is a bit of extra room for them to move around a bit too. I can not wait to go home, fire up the soldering iron and get it running.

I just finished my first test run with mine :yipi:

looks like we can finally reschedule our bash session we talked about 3 months ago!

nice!!!

How about dremeling the opening where the fan wire goes to in order to enlarge the hole? In addition to this, I will also be heat shrinking the fan wires to prevent chaffing.

Castle has yet to return my phone call from 36 hours ago!

call again. any company is like that. I have yet to get responses from a message left on the first time.

Larry,

Call in and ask for me personally. We'll take care of you!

Patrick

Whoah President taking care of you..Your one lucky guy :whistle:

You won't see the little orange guys doing that!

It's coming to the point where anyone can manufacture a widget. Service is the key to any long term successful company in today's market.

This is why CC has earned the support from guys like me.

...and how!

In my current stint of RC enthusiasm, I have had a couple of very positive customer experiences and in both cases, they were very small online retailers(like one-man operations) and had fully blown away my expectations.

Maxamps hasn't been bad either thanks to their online chat widget.

As for the "larger" online hobby shops, when an issue comes up with an order or something like that, I have been less than thrilled with the response(or lack thereof in some cases).

Seeing how Patrick is in here supporting Castle products on a daily basis is very impressive to me, so thanks for doing that. :) :yipi:

Good luck! I know if anyone needs it it's you.

Well, the "orange" guys are not posting in the CC forum. If you have questions or need help from us, ask in the one, "orange" thread in the brushless forum.:yes:

We love you too though, just gotta step-up to bigger motors, and stop pandering to ROAR rules and regulations regarding motor design. If Aveox could produce powerful sensored motors in a range of sizes and kvs, why not the orange guys? its not like racing is the only form of Rc, most guys like to just bash and have fun- you dont need bunch of crappy rules to govern that kind of activity...

I did that this morning :) Along with removing the switch and adding the telflon washer :)

I agree. We do have plans for a completely redesigned, larger motor. We will be releasing a newly designed 540 soon. So many projects, so little time....:wink: Every crappy rule out there limits Novak just as much as the other motor companies----organizations, like ROAR, are very slow to change.

I love you, too! And thanks for helping Novak users with issues on the Traxxas forums.

So much for the derail. Carry on.

I'll happily beta test in my secret devonshire hide away too, far away from prying eyes...

I added Novak support forum area as well just for "the orange guys". :)

Is this in the category, "Be Careful What You Wish For"?

Thanks, Mike.

Now y'all carry on...

Can I quote you as saying that the current ROAR rules (written by Bob Novak) are "crappy" when I propose new rules to ROAR? :whistle:

Oh snap!

But yes, they are rather lame- why cant the rules be relaxed a little- so long as two motors in the same class are the same size and kv rating, what does it matter about their construction techniques?

:lol:
Please do so!

Quick question on calibrating the MMM for Patrick. I have a Futaba 3PM with the 2.4 Fasst setup. When I calibrate should I only set my throttle and brake endpoints to 100% or go ahead and set them all the way up to their max at 120%? Not sure that it matters, but just wanted to check.

Thanks.

Obviously ROAR is behind the curve, whoever had a hand in writing the rules. Stock and Modified is all the regulation we need. If you can haul your ride around a track for a full race with a gazillion rpm/v motor and a 2 mega-amp lipo battery without overheating AND keep it upright, I'm willing to call you a winner ..sensored or sensorless.

Set them at 100%.

Thanx!

Lutach is going to have a field day with this^^^!!!!!

He loves the ROAR rules:whistle:

Novak would support ROAR modified rules opened up to everyone, with perhaps, size and price limitations.

With the original ROAR mod motor rules, Bob suggested, and would have supported, fewer restrictions. But, ROAR only wanted specifications that could be easily teched by race directors. The SL motors available then weren't made, or supported, by American companies nor had any of them shown any interest in racing or submitting a motor proposal to ROAR.

CC 540 size motors for modified were not available at that time. So, no point in re-writing history. By the time the stock rules were decided, there were many more motor companies who had adopted the sensored design for racing and voted for rules based on that design.

So, Patrick, why don't you submit your modified proposal to the ROAR brushless motor committee again?

I don't know if you really want to get into this with me.

Stock rules were decided by Bob Novak and David Lee in a meeting that was closed to other BL committee members. Even though SEVERAL BL committee members did not believe that the stock rules should adopted as written by Bob. But Bob and David strong armed ROAR into adopting the rules, and ROAR allowed it to happen.


When I tried to get ROAR to change the Modified rules two years ago, I was told "These are the rules -- we won't consider changing them yet, the rules are too new." Last year, I was told "You have to wait until next year before we will even talk about it." So I waited until January of this yearand was told by ROAR: "You have to wait until next year, because we won't review the modified rules until then." And this is supposed to be an association that promotes racing?

I will continue to try to get ROAR to listen to someone other than Bob and David Lee -- but it seems pretty futile to me at this point. :whistle:

And I'm not the only one who feels this way -- pretty much everyone else who works in the industry (but not for "orange") feels this way about ROAR. Other industry professionals go along with ROAR, and kowtow to ROAR, because they don't want to be excluded from ROAR racing (like Castle is now) -- but they feel as though ROAR is just an extension of the "will of orange." ... They fear being purposely ignored and excluded like Castle is -- so they don't try to exercise any opinion that contradicts Bob. :oh:

So Patrick do I need to mod my new MMM V2 to keep the fan wire from being cut by whatever.

Well said...

The rules are set-up to benefit the industry manufacturers (and from the post above, only a few lucky manufacturers are invited to play), not the racers.

If it were to benefit the racers and or help out with speeding up the "tech" process at major races, than it wouldn't be a huge book of rules and regulations. Just cover the most common rules and if someone happens to win with a homemade super juiced up rocket ship of a car, than more power to them for being able to pilot it to victory.

So should I set my endpoints with a a Spektrum dx2.0 at 100% with the MMM V2?And what happens if you dont.

In this corner, we have Pdelcast, weighing in at XXX lbs. In the other corner, we have NovakTwo weighing in at YYY lbs....

Let's get ready to rummmmbllllle! DING!

:smile:

^^++1??

Sorry I dont have my secret decoder ring.Please explain in Human:whip:

No, not ordinarily- feel free to pop open the esc case to check the wires arent being pinched- no biggie, and a simple mod to do with a dremel to create a little clearance in the esc case- dont touch the PCB though.

Yes. if you dont, the esc will be looking for 100% throttle, but wont see it since the radio is set to 120%. I had the same issue with my lazer 6 radio and hvmaxx system; the esc wouldnt 'see' 100% throttle during programming until I dialled down the EPA setting a touch.

Patrick, I've been in a discussion on the rctech.net forums about this.

It's a thread about the upcoming ROAR race in Chillicothe, and guys like myself and Dave Alberico are asking if we can run CC motors. Dawn made one post, but now is ignoring my questions about why the rules cannot be updated, as they have been many times over the years to allow new technology and develpments.

I had posted that Castle tried to work with ROAR, but was treated like crap, according to what I have heard. She just made a comment about how people like to make up stuff, said it's not true. But now she is hiding.

It's a good read, and it's not too long yet ;)

thread:
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...ad-champs.html

Thanks Dude I can do that.:party::party::party:

Before I start rumblin, let me say this..I am no apologist for ROAR. Nor, is anyone else here at Novak. ROAR is what it is.

The first time we approached them for an approval was for the original brushless motor rule. Even then, the only reason we got a hearing was, by that time, Associated had worked with LRP to offer a motor based on Novak's sensored design. So, Roger Curtis and Mike Reedy (Associated) are the individuals that spearheaded the first ROAR ruling, not Novak. We joke that without their participation, racers would still be racing brush motors. Novak had absolutely no track record, or pull, with ROAR, or any other racing organization. I believe Reedy (a god to modified racing) was the president of IFMAR at that time.

The reason that won't happen anytime soon is then Novak would loose there strange hold on the racing market and would not be able to dictate what motor you can use.Plus don't forget all the noob's that get into the hobby and start looking at the RC Magazine's and seeing that this racer or that racer used a Novak ESC and motor so they must be the best and of course they will go out and buy one.
I've been doing RC for 17 for years and I have alway's said that owner's of company's that make RC product's should not right the rule's for roar or ifmar or anyother form of racing.How could anyone ever think that the olny person's interest's are going to be looked after other than the guy who own's the company and his company's best inerest's.
And this is not Novak bashing it's my opion that no company reguardless of what they make should ot make the rules,I think roar and ifmar should be ran by people who worked in the RC indusrty and want to help improve the hobby and not hurt it.
I remeber when a company made a tuned pipe for nitro and wanted it to be approved for racing and Ron Paris at the time helped right the rule's for what tuned pipe's could be run and not run and he made more than a few tuned pipe's himslef and was the biggest opposer of another upstart company getting there's aproved for racing.