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George16 09.17.2008 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sjcrss (Post 213742)
yup it is sad, the product is excellant, however the parts are far and in between, but when they don't have product supposrt...it makes it hard to keep them around....I'm sorry to hear about your son's trck being a show piece....I think UE missed the boat when it didn't release the razorback......and hate to say it, but the maxx plateform is a aging....

I agree. The razorback was really nice. I was glad I didn't buy one though because of the limited support.

My son was actually very happy when I retired his truck because it means more stick time for him on the Revo :party::rofl:. I still run my predator once in a while and I'm thinking of retiring that too.

I'm just keeping some of the hard to get parts now so I can have them made for my personal use once I report to the ship in December. I'll have my Navy machinist friends make some for me :intello::party:.


Alright, back to Linc's thread:party::lol:.

lincpimp 09.17.2008 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by George16 (Post 213745)
Alright, back to Linc's thread:party::lol:.

Funny, xcntrk started this thread!!! I will start my own when I get all the parts done and test fitted.

I wil also gauge interest in them. Not sure about prices yet though. I will have 2 of them produced, to run in my emaxx with the plett maxx and in the erevo with the 1515 1.5d, both on 4s. That should give me enough time to determine if the design is up to snuff. I do worry about the bearings, but I have a cure for that...:whistle:

lincpimp 09.18.2008 01:01 AM

Ok so I spent the last few HOURS checking parts and cost...

Looks like it will cost about $35 minimum to get the parts I need, plus shipping. Then there are the machine shop costs to mod the gear and the output shaft, and the costs to build the adapter and a spacer.

I have a hard time seeing this cost less than $100... Unless I have a bunch made by someone with a CNC...

xcntrk 09.18.2008 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 213764)
Funny, xcntrk started this thread!!! I will start my own when I get all the parts done and test fitted.

..and I'm still following of course. Put me on that list for your custom setup linc. That is if you decide to produce a batch. My only suggestion is the more you build the less each will cost. Of course you'd have to sell all your stock and that may be challenging with Traxxas producing the same (albeit inferior) product.

sjcrss 09.18.2008 06:37 AM

wow.....thats alot of jing.......but if it's stronger than the traxxas one...then it may be worth it.....here is an option possibly, just sell the modded shafts & gear & adapter plate...and the consumer can buy the cup & internals....might help keep the cost down a few....however, like you mentioned before...i think....one possibility is having them prepaid ( pre-order) the kits and then you produce them......

George16 09.18.2008 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 213764)
Funny, xcntrk started this thread!!! I will start my own when I get all the parts done and test fitted.

:oops::oops::oops::oops:

Sorry xcntrk.

lincpimp 09.18.2008 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sjcrss (Post 213853)
wow.....thats alot of jing.......but if it's stronger than the traxxas one...then it may be worth it.....here is an option possibly, just sell the modded shafts & gear & adapter plate...and the consumer can buy the cup & internals....might help keep the cost down a few....however, like you mentioned before...i think....one possibility is having them prepaid ( pre-order) the kits and then you produce them......

I thought about doing this. It will knock off about 20-25 bucks. Best thing I have found is to buy a hyper diff from ebay. Seems cheaper than buying parts, and you will end up with a spare spur or crown gear, and the stock outdrives.

If I sold the conversion parts they would be the adapter, modded lower gear, modded output shafts, spacer, screws, and shims. I am looking to do some of the simple work myself, to keep the costs down. I f this is really popular, I may have to find someone locally with a cnc and have them make a batch. It is not a very complicated design, trying to keep it as simple as possible.

lincpimp 09.18.2008 11:40 AM

Just dropped off the parts to the machinist again. This session should be enough so that I can offer up some teaser pics. Looks like my design will work, but only time will tell. I have found a very strong way to mount the lower gear to the adapter. Hopefully it will stand up to the power...

sjcrss 09.18.2008 04:06 PM

cool, looking forward to the teaser pics....

neweuser 09.19.2008 01:52 PM

How many internals does the savage diff cup have? Looks like 6 spyder?

lincpimp 09.19.2008 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by neweuser (Post 214228)
How many internals does the savage diff cup have? Looks like 6 spyder?

yep, 6 internal gears. Pretty much identical to an ofna diff, except it uses 10x16 bearngs insyead of 8x16 in the ofna and most other 1/8 scale buggy diffs.

neweuser 09.19.2008 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 214229)
yep, 6 internal gears. Pretty much identical to an ofna diff, except it uses 10x16 bearngs insyead of 8x16 in the ofna and most other 1/8 scale buggy diffs.

Ok, well this is a start. Depending on the diameter etc, if one could make a solid traxxas diff gear, and put a grove in it to fit the savage cup, this might work.

SnoopMaxx 09.19.2008 06:31 PM

Are the diff gear Modul 1 ?

I made steel drive gears for my Wheely King and they were Modul 1


lincpimp 09.19.2008 07:52 PM

Ok, for this to work better, my design needs a bit of work. My current adapter will require about 1/4 of the width of the lower gear to be removed, and the same amount removed from the idler gear so that it will clear the diff case.

I am not too sure what that will do to the strength of the tranny... The use of a center diff will place less stress on the tranny, so it should be ok. I will have to do extensive testing (bashing)!

It would be nice if I could find a 33t nylon gear that is solid in the center. No luck on sdp/si, not sure where else to look... Any help would be appreciated!

sjcrss 09.19.2008 09:57 PM

do you think if they release the gear from the traxxas cd, will work?

lincpimp 09.19.2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sjcrss (Post 214353)
do you think if they release the gear from the traxxas cd, will work?

It may, but will require some machining to mount it to the adapter I have designed. The traxxas diff uses the output shats to support the entire lower gear and diff assy. My design is correctly suppoted by the adapter at one end and the diff cup at the other. Superior in that respect.

I would have to see the traxxas gear, but looking at the space available in the tranny for the diff, it will be difficult to get the lower gear to line up with the idler. I think that I can get aways with some simple tranny case mods, and a modded idler.

My method of mounting the lower gear requires the adapter to be a certain thickness. If I could find a suitable gear that had a solid center, I could get the thickness down alot and maybe get the gears to line up perfectly with no mods to the idler...

I will continue with this design until I can get my hands on the traxxas center diff gear. I can design another if necessary!

phatmonk 09.19.2008 10:13 PM

Whats the tooth count on the Revo center diff?I have a Slayer and it says its 2nd gear has a 38 tooth.Does that sound right.I would have thought Traxxas would have just used the stock Revo 2 speed and just changed the spurgear.:whistle:Link is there a way to fit this concept center diff into my Slayer?If so pm me and I can prepay for 1 of them.I assume that the E Revo trans isnt compatible in the Revo?Slayer.And if it did couldnt a guy use it instread of a conversion motormount?Just curious.
Thanks Will

George16 09.19.2008 10:36 PM

I believe the nitro revo cd tooth count is 28T while the erevo/3905 emaxx is 33T.

Check this site Linc. They sell composite gears.
https://sdp-si.com/eStore/

Go under "Gears" and then click on the "Composite Material, "Spur Gear".

Do I get a discount if you find what you need from this site :lol::party::whistle:?

lincpimp 09.20.2008 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by George16 (Post 214364)
I believe the nitro revo cd tooth count is 28T while the erevo/3905 emaxx is 33T.

Check this site Linc. They sell composite gears.
https://sdp-si.com/eStore/

Go under "Gears" and then click on the "Composite Material, "Spur Gear".

Do I get a discount if you find what you need from this site :lol::party::whistle:?


You are in the std section, not metric. No mod1 33t plastic gears on sdp-si, already checked. I can give you the 1% trying-kinda-hard discount!!!!

You are correct with the revo and erevo tooth counts...

lincpimp 09.20.2008 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by phatmonk (Post 214361)
Whats the tooth count on the Revo center diff?I have a Slayer and it says its 2nd gear has a 38 tooth.Does that sound right.I would have thought Traxxas would have just used the stock Revo 2 speed and just changed the spurgear.:whistle:Link is there a way to fit this concept center diff into my Slayer?If so pm me and I can prepay for 1 of them.I assume that the E Revo trans isnt compatible in the Revo?Slayer.And if it did couldnt a guy use it instread of a conversion motormount?Just curious.
Thanks Will

I am not sure if the erevo trans is a direct bolt in, but people have put them in trevos, so it should work the same in the slayer. I cannot belive that traxxas changed the tranny case and the output gears on the slayer... Oh well, I am sure that they will offer a center diff for it. If you really wanted a center diff, swap in a nitro revo tranny and just use the traxxas center diff kit. The just run the 36t spur and a large pinion to take care of the different internal ratio...

George16 09.20.2008 02:25 AM

Did you try searching in the metric section under gears? There's a drop-down menu and you can browse the "gear blanks" window for the specific blank you need. It also gives you a slection on the center bore.

lincpimp 09.20.2008 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by George16 (Post 214454)
Did you try searching in the metric section under gears? There's a drop-down menu and you can browse the "gear blanks" window for the specific blank you need. It also gives you a slection on the center bore.

I would prefer a gear with teeth, just solid so that I can machine it where necessary. sjcrss seems to be making some forward progress on the gear, so we may have more options!

SnoopMaxx 09.20.2008 02:37 PM

Why buy "gear blanks" then you just have to mill the teeth your self.
Only 33T mod1 option I can fond is the steel gears

There are a vendors here in Denmark That stock those gears in mod 1

http://uk.asoma.dk/content.asp?ID=435
They also do custom work



Cowboy 09.20.2008 04:58 PM

Have you seen these guys
http://www.khkgears.co.jp/khkweb/order/main.do
It looks like they will make custom gears

lincpimp 09.20.2008 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowboy (Post 214583)
Have you seen these guys
http://www.khkgears.co.jp/khkweb/order/main.do
It looks like they will make custom gears

Looks really handy. I will have to look up the material codes and see if any are useable, such as nylon or delrin.

I am starting my own thread now for pic of what I have come up with so far.

Similar to Cowboy's nitro revo diff idea, but different. Same principle of diff support, just different gear mounting to work with the stock gear.


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