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LiqrSicc 11.02.2010 02:08 AM

Alright, new goodies!


http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0525.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0526.jpg

Got my bored out HD mount and battery mounts from GCM. I think I might have overpaid them and didnt realize it. I was charged $67 for the HD mount and $20 to have it milled. The whole set of battery mounts came up to $68. I paid $18 to have them shipped Express. Total of $174 for some mounts. Ouch
Anyways...


http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0527.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0528.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0529.jpg


I got the 1520 to fit without having to hack the TVP by cutting a few mm off the shaft. There's not enough room for a 25t pinion but there should be space for a 22t if I ever needed. Going to get all this put in tomorrow. Now I'm just waiting for my axles, hex hub, and some new wheels/tires.

Jahay 11.02.2010 04:32 AM

woah LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY going into this build! But the parts look awesome!!! SO ITS ALL GD! :)

this is going to be one clean looking truck when done!

_paralyzed_ 11.02.2010 05:37 AM

i'd stick with the 1520. it's already overkill

LiqrSicc 11.02.2010 03:06 PM

3s 5000mah packs at 2 pounds combined or the 4200mah packs for 1.5lbs combined?
Half a pound doesn't seem like too much of a differnce but it might push me into the 14lb range instead of the 13s

thzero 11.02.2010 03:13 PM

I think you are worrying a bit too much about weight. If you were talking a three, four, or more pounds difference, thats one thing.

DARKWAV 11.03.2010 02:19 AM

Those bored motor mounts look great, nice fit.

When I was buying stuff from GCM a couple years ago the exchange rate was in our favor so seemed like there was a nice discount on everything. Not so much today.

LiqrSicc 11.07.2010 04:04 PM

Ok guys, here's how I mounted my ESC:


http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0530.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0531.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0532.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0533.jpg


I have the PRC extended mount plate so I have a lot of room. Problem is the center drive cup hits the bottom of the ESC if I mount it too far back. Luckily I have some spare 1/4" polycarbonate which I used to make a stand for the ESC.



My OFNA hex adapter came in. I've had a set like this awhile back and it lasted me almost 4 years. No doubt it's better quality than the Integy ones.

For you guys with the machinery and know how, you can probably get these to fit on the stock stub axles. The only problem is the pin hole is about half a mm off from a perfect fit. Since I have my Savage 5T shafts coming in sometime this week I'm going to take the chance and do some dremel work on the stockers to see if I can get them to fit. If only the inner carrier bearing was a bit smaller in width it would allow the axle stub to come out more and let the pin out further!


The last picture is of the barrel nut that came with my Integy adapter. Not sure if you can find these elsewhere but that would be an extra safety that would hold the pin down to the axle if I ever did get them to fit the stockers.


http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0535.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0536.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0537.jpg
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LiqrSicc 11.08.2010 10:48 PM

Well, decided to give old Integy another chance here. Picked up some 12mm extended 17mm hex adapters. Looks nice. They feel really light and give me a not-so-solid feeling. Everything bolts on nicely though:



http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0540.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0541.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0542.jpg



To be honest I only got these as a backup for the Savage 5T axles I'm waiting for. The 5T axles are dropping right in whenever they get here.

Oh, I finally ran into some issues. My pinion will not stay on. I use blue loctite and its been dried for a good time now. Managed to loosen the pinion on my first hard acceleration. I guess I'm going to red loctite tomorrow. Here's the irritating part. I have to remove the motor to change the pinion. To do that I have to take off the CF skidplate. Did that. Loosened the motor mounts. Ok, no space to pull out the motor since the ESC sits behind it. So I go to take off my ESC. No go. The bulkhead plate covers over where the screws are. So now here I am having to take off the whole rear end just to remove a pinion off a motor. :grrrrrr: I'm sure this TVP design is very sturdy but the trade-off is accessibility.

Call of Duty: Black Ops comes out tonight so I might just put this on hold for awhile. Anybody play? :mdr:

thzero 11.09.2010 12:02 AM

Personally I think you'd be far better off with the Savage XL axles than all these crappy extenders.

josh9mille 11.09.2010 02:56 AM

maybe you could find an outer bearing that is 1mm narrower?

LiqrSicc 11.11.2010 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josh9mille (Post 387006)
maybe you could find an outer bearing that is 1mm narrower?

Yeah I thought of that or add some spacers to the inner bearing if it didnt cause any binding between the cup and the dogbone. I've actually been running these 2nd Integy adapters the last few days and they've survived a few jumps and cartwheels.

LiqrSicc 11.18.2010 12:32 AM

Finally
 
My Savage 5T axles finally came in last week. 2 whole weeks using express shipping. At least they came and they are the real deal:

Here they are with the package of spacers

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0565.jpg


The OFNA adapters have a 12mm offset. When mounted you can see that there's almost a 4mm gap to the bearing.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0566.jpg


These 3/16" spacers (3.57mm) fix that issue.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0567.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0568.jpg



With the spacer on it's a perfect fit. No binding, no play!

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0569.jpg



I can't take credit for the axles. I got the idea from whattheFLUX over at Savage Central who confirmed that the axles were a fit.

From what I heard the Savage 5T was discontinued in the UK so who knows how long they'll have stock of these axles. I just wish I didnt have to spend what I did to get a 17mm adapter fix.

Been bashing the past few days and so far they've held up to mild jumps and a bunch of cartwheels. For those interested ambient temps are at about 70 and on 6s, 44t/20t, badlands, I'm getting 130 degrees on the 1520. Not bad at all. I dont think I have a need to try to fit in the 1717 maybe unless I feel like running my Big Joes or Trenchers. :yipi:

One thing I was wondering about was the wheelies, which are non existent. I can't do them at all. Not that they're needed or anything, but it'd be nice if I could pull one on demand. I'm a Savage noob here. How do you guys tighten your slipper? I'm spoiled with the E-Revo which had a hole at the end of the shaft which I could stick my hex driver in to keep the shaft locked while I tighten.

josh9mille 11.18.2010 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiqrSicc (Post 387889)
One thing I was wondering about was the wheelies, which are non existent. I can't do them at all. Not that they're needed or anything, but it'd be nice if I could pull one on demand. I'm a Savage noob here. How do you guys tighten your slipper? I'm spoiled with the E-Revo which had a hole at the end of the shaft which I could stick my hex driver in to keep the shaft locked while I tighten.

Hold the spur gear with your finger

Also I didnt know HPI made a savage 5T? Got a link? EDIT: nevermind I found it. Why didnt you also get the 5T 17mm hex's? Then you wouldnt have had to mess with the spacers and stuff.

LiqrSicc 11.18.2010 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josh9mille (Post 387894)
Hold the spur gear with your finger

Also I didnt know HPI made a savage 5T? Got a link? EDIT: nevermind I found it. Why didnt you also get the 5T 17mm hex's? Then you wouldnt have had to mess with the spacers and stuff.

Yeah holding the spur with my finger I cant get it tight enough as it's slipping a lot right now. I have to take off my botom skid, remove my motor and esc just so I can tighten my spur. Weak.

Oh, the 5T hexes are 23mm BTW, plus I wanted a little offset.

josh9mille 11.18.2010 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiqrSicc (Post 387900)
Yeah holding the spur with my finger I cant get it tight enough as it's slipping a lot right now. I have to take off my botom skid, remove my motor and esc just so I can tighten my spur. Weak.

You can also try putting a penny between the pinion and spur to lock them up so you can tighten the slipper, a penny is soft and wont hurt the gears but im sure you would be ok using anything really

Jahay 11.18.2010 05:22 AM

nice job on the axles...

for the spur, if you really cant tighten it enough... unscrew the 3 screws that hold the top part of the tranny... and then grip the spur really tightly with your whole hand and then tighten the bolt...

Gdot 11.18.2010 02:55 PM

the savage has a slipper clutch? :tongue: never used it. locked it when i opened the box.

_dV 11.19.2010 02:35 AM

Damn those axles are $

Where did you get the spacers?

LiqrSicc 11.19.2010 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jahay (Post 387904)
nice job on the axles...

for the spur, if you really cant tighten it enough... unscrew the 3 screws that hold the top part of the tranny... and then grip the spur really tightly with your whole hand and then tighten the bolt...

Thanks bro. I pulled it apart yesterday and it looks like I smoked it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gdot (Post 387926)
the savage has a slipper clutch? :tongue: never used it. locked it when i opened the box.

:lol: Planning to do the same as soon as I get a new slipper

Quote:

Originally Posted by _dV (Post 387955)
Damn those axles are $

Where did you get the spacers?

Spacers came from aluminumspacers.com
They have just about all the sizes you can think of. Pretty cheap too!

JERRY2KONE 11.19.2010 10:24 AM

Axles
 
Those axles look very much like the old "FireHammer" axles. Are those 8mm shafts? If they are the firehammer axles are probably about the same size and are a lot cheaper.

LiqrSicc 11.19.2010 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JERRY2KONE (Post 387963)
Those axles look very much like the old "FireHammer" axles. Are those 8mm shafts? If they are the firehammer axles are probably about the same size and are a lot cheaper.

Jerry, I hope you're wrong just for what I went through to get these :lol:
But I hope you're right so everybody else can go the cheaper route!


I have no idea what the old firehammer axles look like. I googled it and the picture showed an axle which looked a lot longer than these and had a threaded tip, not to mention no hole for a pin to go through. Can you link me?

_dV 11.19.2010 06:02 PM

Those axles probably wouldn't have the cup size to suit the SHD Flux bones.

JERRY2KONE 11.19.2010 06:19 PM

Why not
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by _dV (Post 387997)
Those axles probably wouldn't have the cup size to suit the SHD Flux bones.

Why not? I am using them on a 3906 EMaxx right now. I wanted a set of axles with some beef to them to avoid breakage in a very heavy duty setup, so I got a full set of these 8mm stubs and modified them to fit the Max knuckles runing them with dogbones. The thing is once you go beefy on one part of the drivetrain, then you have to go down the line and beef up every other part to that line in order to creat a bullitproof truck.

JERRY2KONE 11.19.2010 06:24 PM

You correct.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LiqrSicc (Post 387964)
Jerry, I hope you're wrong just for what I went through to get these :lol:
But I hope you're right so everybody else can go the cheaper route!


I have no idea what the old firehammer axles look like. I googled it and the picture showed an axle which looked a lot longer than these and had a threaded tip, not to mention no hole for a pin to go through. Can you link me?



No you are correct. I drilled a hole for the pin, and then cut off the threaded part of the stubshaft with my dremel tool. Then I installed a set of HPI 17mm adapters so they can push the Axial beadlock wheels. They work perfectly.

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...E/619699cc.jpg

_dV 11.19.2010 07:26 PM

The Flux dog bones have an 11mm ball. I don't think there is a detachable cup you can buy in that size?

JERRY2KONE 11.19.2010 08:42 PM

Not sure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by _dV (Post 388009)
The Flux dog bones have an 11mm ball. I don't think there is a detachable cup you can buy in that size?

Not sure about the exact measurement, but those are HPI super heavy duty removeable cups with 8mm center holes. I would have to get out the calipers and measure the ball size when I have a chance to verify that for you.

Finnster 11.20.2010 01:02 AM

The SHD axles are larger than std dogbones on the ball end. "Normal" ends are ~8mm. Those cups on there look like the normal size bones imo.

LiqrSicc 11.20.2010 11:33 AM

I think the removable cup joints for the flux are just normal sized compared to the actual stub axles which use the 11mm cup

thzero 11.20.2010 12:12 PM

Yes, the Flux and XL both use 11mm cups on the diffs and on the axles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finnster (Post 388035)
The SHD axles are larger than std dogbones on the ball end. "Normal" ends are ~8mm. Those cups on there look like the normal size bones imo.


flowrider 11.22.2010 08:02 AM

Do anybody of you know if these Baja 5B Axles may fit?

HPI 86488
http://www.hpieurope.com/piw.php?lang=en&partNo=86488

I can't find the exact diameter anywhere, just the lenght.

thzero 11.22.2010 09:11 AM

Nope, they are too big. They are 12mm. And the cup size is 15mm.

flowrider 11.22.2010 01:25 PM

Well, I thought so but wanted to get a verification. Anyway, I just went the ridiculous expensive "5T axles" route and ordered from here due to the MUCH cheaper shipping costs than wheelspin. At least I get a lil' piece of mind that my axles should not collapse in a cartwheel or miss-landed jump. We'll see.

LiqrSicc 12.04.2010 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flowrider (Post 388267)
Well, I thought so but wanted to get a verification. Anyway, I just went the ridiculous expensive "5T axles" route and ordered from here due to the MUCH cheaper shipping costs than wheelspin. At least I get a lil' piece of mind that my axles should not collapse in a cartwheel or miss-landed jump. We'll see.

Did you ever get your 5T axles? I have some spacers you might want to make the adapter fit perfectly on the axle.


BTW, I never did get a chance to show what the finished project looked like so here it is:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/PC041630.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/PC041631.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/PC041632.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/PC041633.jpg

Went with the Silverado body which I've used on a bunch of my other MTs. Looks a little short. I might have to get a F650 later on. The 5T axles are holding up although I've barely flipped this thing over once I had the suspension tuned in.

_dV 12.04.2010 11:54 PM

Nice, offset looks good on it.

What were the exact dimensions of those spacers? 3/16" spacers (3.57mm) wide and 8mm inside diameter? outside diameter?

flowrider 12.05.2010 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiqrSicc (Post 389459)
Did you ever get your 5T axles? I have some spacers you might want to make the adapter fit perfectly on the axle.

Well, I just received them on Friday. These things are quite heavy which is promising in terms of stability! Now I'm waiting for the rest of my Savage to show up, especially on the Cen Diffs, the 2x CC1520 (Got a CC1717 already but could not resist the black friday sale :) ), Trenchers and my DB XL Tvps.

Yes, I know I need this spacers. Already wrote the guys at the website you posted concerning a quote for max. 10 spacers + shipping. I just don't need 25 pieces which is the smallest quantity they offer. But if you have some spacers lying around which you don't need that would be awesome & I get my PayPal ready! :happy:

btw Your truck looks fantastic, but I didn't expect anyrhing else from you!

LiqrSicc 12.05.2010 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _dV (Post 389466)
Nice, offset looks good on it.

What were the exact dimensions of those spacers? 3/16" spacers (3.57mm) wide and 8mm inside diameter? outside diameter?

Thanks! They're 9/64" wide which comes up to about 3.56mm. 8mm inner diameter and about 12.7mm outer I think.

LiqrSicc 12.05.2010 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flowrider (Post 389480)
Well, I just received them on Friday. These things are quite heavy which is promising in terms of stability! Now I'm waiting for the rest of my Savage to show up, especially on the Cen Diffs, the 2x CC1520 (Got a CC1717 already but could not resist the black friday sale :) ), Trenchers and my DB XL Tvps.

Yes, I know I need this spacers. Already wrote the guys at the website you posted concerning a quote for max. 10 spacers + shipping. I just don't need 25 pieces which is the smallest quantity they offer. But if you have some spacers lying around which you don't need that would be awesome & I get my PayPal ready! :happy:

btw Your truck looks fantastic, but I didn't expect anyrhing else from you!

That setup is gonna be nice! So far my BP diffs are holding up. I have the 1717 too but the 1520 works out so good I don't have the need to use the 1717. I couldnt resist the sales either!

I thought you could buy the spacers individually? Well PM me your address and I can ship you out a set since I have a bunch of extras. I figured I'd get the 25pc order in case there would be a few people who tried the 5t axles as well.

thzero 12.05.2010 01:02 PM

Why'd you go with the 5T axles instead of just using the XL axles? Seems like the latter might have been a cheaper option. Then again, the XL axles a prone to break where the threads begin; was that the issue?

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiqrSicc (Post 389507)
That setup is gonna be nice! So far my BP diffs are holding up. I have the 1717 too but the 1520 works out so good I don't have the need to use the 1717. I couldnt resist the sales either!


LiqrSicc 12.05.2010 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thzero (Post 389512)
Why'd you go with the 5T axles instead of just using the XL axles? Seems like the latter might have been a cheaper option. Then again, the XL axles a prone to break where the threads begin; was that the issue?

The whole idea was to get away from the threaded axles and to use axles that actually used fit a buggy/truggy 17mm adapters. Not to mention the XL drive cups use the smaller dog bones compared to the Flux

thzero 12.05.2010 04:13 PM

Well, that would be incorrect. The XL and Flux both use the same drive cups and suspension dogbones. The XL axles are just longer by about .5" inches. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiqrSicc (Post 389530)
The whole idea was to get away from the threaded axles and to use axles that actually used fit a buggy/truggy 17mm adapters. Not to mention the XL drive cups use the smaller dog bones compared to the Flux



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