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MGM 140 amp 15S esc : 259 eur = 340 usd http://mgm-compro.com/index.php?tid=...-32-bit-system Castle Monster XL 8S esc = 350 usd http://www.castlecreations.com/products/mamba_xl.html MGM is know as very reliable and spot on if not underrated spec |
Why does everyone only pick on the Chinese companies? I think I was the only one to complain when Slovak coppied cc with their novalink that looks exactly like the castle link. So it's ok when an American company does it? Leave the lipos alone too. Show me where else I can get 4 2s and 2 6s and 2 4s for under $250. Same stuff as here. How is it any different when an American company buys overseas cells and puts their sticker on them for a huge profit?
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Glad I posted this when I did... I think I opened up pandora's box with this one..
As for a blatant copy of a well respected product I do not support them. They look exactly like castle units, The internals like the FET boards look to be primitive in comparison to castle units that I have seen. But I just boggles my mind to think that if you go through your "research and development" of a product, Why the hell would you dress it as the competitors? I have no problem buying batteries through hobbyking as they are not copied, derived or stolen from another company-as far as we know. but Never will I buy a wanna be castle esc. I have way too much respect for castle creations. THe only esc's I own are castle's My castle collection: 5 castle links 2 working Mamba Monsters 1 Dead mamba monster 2 artur modded mamba max's 1 Castle BEC 1 Castle BEC pro 1 CC 2200 1 HPI CC 2650 Castle 32p Pinions Too man 6.5mm bullet connectors to count I support Castle :) |
I highly doubt that the NovaLink is a clone or duplicate of Castle's. Novak, being an American company that has been in the r/c business, and business in general, for a long time isn't that stupid.
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1. Castle is THE brandname on the planet for ESC's and there products just work. Offtopic ON Schulze is just way too expensive and does not work any better then Castles stuff within the same parameters (6S max) We just tested the Schulze 32.200 against the MMM. Schulze failed from the inside to the outside Offtopic OFF |
Why don't you take a look at a picture of the novalink. I might be blind but I'm not dumb. Have you ever raced with or dealt with any novak reps? They are one of the reasons I will never use novak.
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http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...ink_2000px.jpg http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...01229-1447.jpg Similar components but a direct copy? I dont know. the idea of a usb programmer might have come from the castle link (by some of our standards that would be theft in R&D) Up for discussion Disengage off topic mode. |
As far as the Castle Link goes, it's not so much the use of individual components that's the potential problem. Castle holds a patent for "providing a method and apparatus for reprogramming an electronic speed control (“ESC”) through the receive (“RX”) port of an electric radio controlled model vehicle." Patent #7740516. I'll leave it at that.
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In that case, then yes It seems Novak is guilty of plagiarism.
Is there a link to the patents that castle holds, or is that sensitive information in some way? |
They could have tried a little harder with the name for starters IMO. Par for novak in my book though. Orange boxes are for emergency triangles under the seat in the bucket truck. Replica or not it falls into the same catagory of schistey principals that everyone is upset about all the sudden. Nobody complains about OTC generic drugs, but buys them cause their way cheaper. Not the best comparison but you get the idea. Fact is not all copies are created equall. Sure the drug referance is about identical ingredients, but the electronics are a different story. You reall think the hk stuff uses the same high quality fets and componets? I bet my bottom dollar they don't. All I'm sayin is with electronics you usually get what you pay for. Buy the knockoff a bunch of times cause it fails all the time or buy the real thing once and have the worlds greatest cs at your side just in case it actually turns into a monster and carries you off.
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In prescription drugs, isn't there a waiting period (maybe patent) before the generics come out?
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Plagiarism, no. Potential patent infringement? Potentially, for lawyers to debate after all while the description is pretty broad, the specifics are fairly detailed. But whoever makes Losi's Xcelerion is most likely in violation as well as maybe Tekin.
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I do believe it is 7 years. Did some IT work for Abbott with regard to their Humaria product, which they had bought from another company or obtained by buying that company I forget which, and they had at the time the remainder of 7 years to find as many uses for it as possible to be able to regain money spent on R&D (or purchase of that R&D) and make enough of a profit to afford R&D on other drugs. Humaria was a cash cow for Abbott for awhile.
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Last I checked HK is selling fake Deans connectors again. They stopped for a while after Deans complained and threatened some type of legal action from what I had read, but they now have them on their site again. Other sites have also been selling them for a while now. I'm not sure how enforceable these patents are overseas, but good luck. I'm also a Castle supporter, and I dont know why they would try to copy them like this. They cant replicate the software (for now), which is what makes these controllers stand an extra notch above the rest, but I'm sure given enough time they can do anything.
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AFAIK if you want international patent, you have to file a patent claim in every country and that costs lots of $$$,
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Sounds like Modern day patents and copyrights are flawed.
Instead of innovating this will likely tie up resources into patent defense. Sounds much like the conundrum created by the steam piston and flywheel in the 1830s. There will always be willing ignorant participants in any venture after all its how Private company's like MA and the Federal Reserve banks stays in business.Many only care about price or brand. After all its just good business. Best product backed by best customer care wins IMO. I'm willing to pay more for more when its worth it. |
you know what will go a long way into making sure these cheap knock offs don't continue to sell and flood the market?
nobody buys them. Support the home team. Castle and RC-Monster Mike have always taken care of US. |
+1 to that. Little bit of love to the customers goes a long way in my book. Like many others I will be a brick in the castle wall for cc till the end.
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-Begin Rant- Using a practice called collusion, pharmaceutical companies will pay generic manufacturers NOT to produce a generic version after the 20 year patent so they can continue to sell it at full price under their brand name. They actually sue them first, and the legal costs are so great, it forces the generic manufacturers to go to the bargaining table where they are then paid to hold off on production. It costs the big pharma companies much less to pay off the other manufacturers to not produce the generic drug and continue to reap the profits from selling the overpriced brand name. There's was supposed to be a bill going through Congress to put a stop to this, but last I heard it was stalled. -End Rant- Sorry, not really on topic, but I feel strongly about this subject and most people don't realize what is happening. Thomas Porfert Tech Support Castle Creations |
Thomas I agree with you on that one. Wish we could get some stricter laws regarding drug advertising here like they have in Canada. If companies aren't spending millions on advertising that gets passed down to the consumer too. Besides I really don't want to here about depression, erectile disfunction, bladder problems and the myriad of side effects the drugs that supposedly cure these have while eating dinner.
Back on topic. I've never bought from hk or any overseas distributor and don't plan to start. I'll also never buy a clone. I've always believed in supporting the little guys at the lhs first, then guys like Mike, then maybe amain. Even though most lhs buy from great planes (tower), I'll never buy direct from them. Not going to cut out my lhs and they give me better deals anyway. Oh yeah, CC rocks! |
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Looks like 310.47 to me ===> 410 bucks! But at the same time, nearly double the cell count of the MambaXL. Im siding with Castle, nobody can beat their customer service and reliability of their ESCs. Remember your old mamba max 4s setups on your 8th conversions? Let's see a 10th scale Chinese esc do that. |
Freddy, where have you seen it for 259€.
Comparable 8s, 140a costs 225 EUR -> 295$. Dejan |
its prob with local taxes, go to the index page and chose a country outside eu and it will be listed as EUR 259.
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I'm inside EU. Dejan |
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Not in in the same league as Castle ! When it comes to "Userfriendly" and "Support" We will dumped an 32.200 Schulze and havn't talked about a MGM for our projects, because Castle will have what we need (XL XL HV) Chinese can copy, what they want, I'm not going to buy it !:diablo: |
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On the Topic of the thread, Glad you guys are on the case, Hope you can stop them. As for the Lipo's, I might buy them since they have a U.S.A warehouse. As for the knock-offs, I will never buy one, Unless there is enough difference to be almost completely stand alone on it's own (Like the recent 4wd 5b/t ones). Good luck on stopping this copy.
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I don't see a problem for CC link.
It's a simple usb serial converter. I have FMA, Hyperion links they looks all same. Most of those chips have the same components usage. Ps Hyperion link see my MMM esc, but the CC software doesn't see the Hyperion link. |
Still sad, they have there own line of esc's and still copy another company's
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I was reading on some forum, that chinese "deans" that copied Deans where actually better than original Deans. -------------------------------------- MGM support is very good. Repair cost for MGM 16025 esc was 70€, they shipped fast, never had a problem with support...same as CC, they always shipped fast and did what they could to make customer happy!! So MGM is a very good company- very good! What if a chinese copy of a CC esc would actually prove to be Good ? I would buy it for half of the price CC esc is. Personally i wait for Mamba XL but it is taking to long..... if it comes in a month or so than great if not i am buying MGM X series as it can be waterproofed "all conditions resistant" !! |
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junkman hobbyking have cloned TRX connectors and also clone Futaba and Spektrum Rx but not the surface ones. Yet.
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Is a rx that is compatible with futaba and spektrum cloning? How is it any different from novak, tekin, dynamite, making rx's that were compatible with futaba, airtronics, and jr, 20 years ago? I don't remember anyone thinking twice about it back then. I had forgotten about the trx connectors. I do wonder why none of the china companies clone traxxas stuff? I'd say it is one of the most popular selling brands. They clone the 5b, couple tamiya cars, but not a revo, or slash 4x4, and there is some reason, curious to why that is. To knez I'd take the hc deans over the real ones anyday, and I really blame this one on deans. The hc have the ribs and are easier to unplug, and don't loose their springyness near as quick as the real deal. I have replaced several real ones with the hc's because they were wore out. Why deans doesn't update theirs, or at least lower their price for not having these features I have no idea. I am not trying to come off all pro-china here. I do buy quality stuff, have 5 mmm, 3mm, 3 mamba 25's, and a bunch of motors, and they are geat products. For what they can do, and the price of a mmm, I do not think they can be beat.
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If you have a lots of money, than you can file a patent aplication in every country you want.
And that meant lots of money because you have to do it in each country. It will be much easier if one can file Worldwide patent. Dejan |
Offtopic again...just to ask what u think of this esc?
TrackStar 150A (2-6S).. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...dProduct=14635 Specifications: Cont. Current: 150A Burst Current: 250A Car Size: 1/8th Battery: 2-6 Cell Lipo S-BEC: 5.7V / 3A Output Motor Type: Sensorless Brushless Size: 48.8 x 57.8 x 35.8mm Weight: 88g Battery Plug: Required On/Off Switch: Yes Reverse: Yes Thermal Overload Protection: Yes Battery Terminals: 10AWG size Motor Terminals: 10AWG size http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...talog/150A.jpg http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...log/150A-2.jpg |
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No, i just saw this 2 new things...is it wrong to ask?
I got mostly Casle Creation stuff except 1 TopPower and few other stuff, but mostly CC. On my local forum all my builds are with CC stuff. And because my MMM V3 keeps burning up i am waiting for Mamba XL to arrive on TH as i got discount there. http://forum.modelarji.com/datoteke/1_880.jpg |
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