I wonder how many people will be dumping their MM's in favor of the MMM for the larger vehicles? Might be a buyers market for pre-owned MM's pretty soon!

If that's true I'll buy one for sure. It's going to be hard though waiting until February to finish my savage though. I'll probably have to wait even longer as the 2200kv is far too much for a savage.

$300 for the combo is great. now hopefully they can actually make the eta.

It's all true:

http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/s...d.php?t=242626

Just scroll down, and it's Patrick himself posting that info.

Wow, $300 for the dream combo. I'll put my money down right now. I was planning on spending that amount just on the motor.

Now for CC to actually release it when they say they will....

Well the price sounds good, I am sure that it will have to be closer to 350 once it hits the shelf. Cost to the dealer is around 100 for the mm so the mmm will probably be at or over 150. This is just for the esc. With the motors the mm combo is about 175 dealer cost. Add in the fact that the mmm is coming this a neu motor?! and that the mm motor is some sort of feigao derivative(hacker clone) price should be between 300 and 350. Keep in mind that neu motors are costly due to lower production requirements, due to lower overall demand. Couple this MMM system coming out close to the new Emaxx release and it could be a potention sales success. I am sure that castle has worked a deal with neu on a bulk purchase, or at least continued quantity purchases to keep the price down. Coupled with the 150 or so cost for the esc, motor costs would be around 125 to 150. Adding in markup puts it around the 300 to 350 mark.

I also wonder is CC will sell the MMM motors seperately? I realy can't see them doing this, around 150 to 175 for a neu motor? That would cut into neu's sales quite a bit!

The arrival of the CC MMM would hopefully spur the mfgs to make some dedicated 1/8 scale electric rcs, or conversion kits at least. And hopefully a larger, or multi cell version of a trakpower or similar cased lipo will also be offered. This would ensure that the "unwashed masses" could put a decent electric system together at the LHS without needing special parts or fabrication. It would most likely not compare to scratch built sytems, but it is certainly a start, and will lower prices on all of the related components too!

Also read just now that CC have licensed the design of the motor from neu. So it looks like some chineses company will be pumping out neu clones?!

Hope that they can produce a similar quality motor. I guess that will allow the price to stay around the 300 dollar mark. I am sure that the motor will be better than a feigao xl, which is good cause I have had decent success with the feigao motors and have not wanted to pay 3-4 times more for a neu or lehner. I know that they are better, but some sort of in-between motor would be nice and CC may provide this soon.

CC always seem to put out a high quality product, the delays in testing are justified by this. They may be over-ambitious with their marketing, but we all know that they are coming out with something new, and have been waiting for a while! At least they have good new product awareness!

We all have beaten up on the poor MM with all kinds of motor and vehicle combo that are a little past its design specs! I actually have a MM from their first run, bought it about 2 weeks after it was relaesed. It has been in my xxx-cr the entire time and has never given me any trouble at all. So imagine how good the MMM will be when it is designed to be used in 1/8 scale!

If this is really coming out in February I hope mike is getting ready to ramp up production on his motor mounts.

I asked patrick on rcgroups about other motors. this was his response.
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Right now the plan is to offer:

38mm length motor:
1Y (2200 RPM / V)
2.5D (1750 RPM / V)
1.5Y (1550 RPM / V)

We will also be producing longer motors in the future for even higher power applications.

Patrick

http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/s...30#post2284530

Patrick as in Patrick del Castillo, President Castle Creations, he started posting on RCCA early in Aug.

I realize they have a credibility prob being so late with this one and others before, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume this is what he intends will happen.

You should of asked him when they would be out. I would love the 2.5d.

I did, but am waiting for a response to that one. I also would prefer the 2.5d or 1.5y since I am running 5s and plan to go to 6s.

Thanks gixxer. It's good to hear they are working on it at least. I may get the controller and a fieago and get the 2.5d motor when they release it later.

I have the 1515/2.5d (1700kv) its the schizzle:yes:, I run mine on 5s and NO problems, its finned though.

if you look at everything it will offer:
10 amp programmable switching BEC built in
6s handling
170 const. amp
neu based motor

It seems too good to be true, but if they can do it It will take the RC world for a Loop-de loop

Is this the MMM motor?

Someone got this pic, I dont think I saw it posted here though, but thats from castle's booth

http://i23.tinypic.com/2whjo9e.jpg

I'm wondering the same thing BOR...

It just looked like a normal smooth can Neu when I saw it at the show.

38 mm long?

That must be like a 1509 neu? I know that the l can feigao motors are about 60mm long. Sounds like a very small motor, or a misprint!

I think he meant diameter... not length.

thats what I figured too. Didn't want to correct the owner in his own thread. also the kv is off a little compared to what neu has on there site. they have 1700kv 2.5d and 1500kv for the 1.5y

anyways here is a link to patricks responses. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=683583&page=6

That was a smooth Neu motor.

It sounds good, I will buy at least one, I hope they make a HV version too

i couldn't agree more, although i am quite happy with my MM (have a 2nd one coming any day now - the new one).

i do love tekin though, and i'll most likely wait for theirs. i have an olllllllld Tekin Titan that i used in my Clod crawler, and it works flawlessly (brushed, of course :tongue:). i would guess the Titan is about 10 years old now. i also used a Tekin Rebel with zero problems.

edit: wait... didn't get through all the posts. $300 for a MMM/neu combo? holy crap batman. if that ends up being true....sorry tekin... :party:

I just got VERY reliable information, that the motor that will come with the MMM combo will not be produced by STEVE NEU motors. The motor that will come with the combo will be patterend after the 1515-1y but will not be a true NEU MOTOR . It will be a copy made another company, & not NEU MOTORS.

well, at the $300/combo price point, there had to be a catch...

I thought the same thing.

thanks for sharing Mike.

I wonder what these motor are like. If they run as efficient.

It couldn't be real that a Neu and MMM ESC would sell for $300. The price was just too good to beleive.

I am very curious though as to how these new "copied" motors will compare...

A feigao is not even close to a hacker. A hacker is almost as good in efficiency as a Lehner IMO. The can constuction just isnt quite as good.

The MMM (Neu imports) cant be as good as the Real Neu motors or it will put Neu out of business. They will probably be machine wound versions of the Neu hand wound motors to cut the cost down.

Judging by the temps that Patrick posted, I reckon they'll be close to a genuine Neu in terms of efficiency. 172F is a pretty good temp after 15-20 mins of current spikes, and the maximum temps allowed are pretty high. If they're exactly the same design, then they'll probably be machine-wound like you say, JHautz.
Plus, I don't think Steve Neu would want poor-quality copies of his motors to be made, now that people know they'll be his design. They won't be as good as the genuine article obviously, but not too far off...and a lot better than a Feigao hopefully.

If they are licensing the rights from Neu or working with them to copy their design... I think they can make a very good product. They won't put Neu out of biz... I'm sure the agreement would not be allow the mfg. to sell the motors through other sources besides Castle.

As for the Hackers... they are a higher quality, better made product than the Chinese knock-offs, but they are not on par with Neu or Lehner in efficiency and performance. I don't think they are much different than a Feigao in terms of performance, based on a lot of discussion a few years ago when Hacker was the dominant brand and Feigao first hit the scene.

I dont want to argue about the Hacker/Feigao thing, but I have a Hacker 9xl and Feigao 9XL and in the same truck with the same setup the hacker runs way cooler. The feigao cant even touch the hacker.

If the MMM motors are just as good a the Neu it could severly damage Neus business. Why wouldn't everyone just buy the MMM motor and toss them in thier airplane, boats, helis and anything else they might use the Neu for? I know that Neu will get some $ for each motor sold, but not as much as if it were one of thiers.

I certainly woulnt expect the MMM motor to be a poor as a Feigao. If it is then why wouldnt they just put a feigao in the package and save the royalty money they are paying Neu. It will likly be a very good motor.

My bet is those temps were generated with a real Neu, not one of the new Neu motors... or is it Neu new? no, new Neu... I'm so confused.:tongue:

I just hope its somewhat better then feiago, And I will be very happy

The helicopter and plane guys won't stop buying from Neu when CC has a handful of "knock-off" winds available. Neu is a heli/plane company.

The car market is new to Neu. :) They will do just fine if they never sell another motor to a car guy.

but not as neu as the neu Neus will be. :lol:

The NEU 1515 1Y (2200 KV)

Is a 4s motor isnt it?

It's a very good 4s motor. You could feed it even more volts if you want :yes:

Lets hope the cc version is good then!:intello:

So... when CC has them available, I'll have to pick out a new "new" neu to go with my two "old" neus.