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TexasSP 02.24.2009 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by teamtekin (Post 264753)
It is a real number from the spec sheets but I agree it is a bogus claim. It is how many controllers are rated and does give a fair best case comparison. However it is very dependent on cooling and the circuit board design and real constant current is typically a lot less.

We tested to 130A continuous and could not shut down the unit due to thermal or failure. That would dump your 5000mah battery in less than 3 min. It has shown to be pretty burley and even impressed us. Time will tell, but I think a lot of people are going to be smiling like we are. The Dual Mode drive is sweet and consistent.

Thanks for that info. I am not trying to be hard on you it's just a lot of manufacturers have left the RC community jaded with bogus, inflated, and/or untested claims. This has been running rampant in the lipo world as well.

I have nothing against tekin, and am happy to see more products coming to market. I just want to know "why" I should buy the controller.

I am a shopper, and like to here "what it has" etcetera before deciding. I never want to heat why the competition is bad, but really what you have to offer. I can comparison shop myself based on good information given.

teamtekin 02.25.2009 07:02 PM

Valid question I am looking forward to answering shortly. That takes a little thought to really explain what makes us different and mention some specific features and advantages.

e-mike 02.25.2009 07:07 PM

i will wait...o yes:yes:i will wait....:whistle:so 130amps....its very good...there 2 month before the snow melt here:yes:

Sparky 02.25.2009 08:37 PM

Just put mine on back order! RX8 with a 1400kv motor. Should be great with my 6s setup. CC does not have the lower KV motors. I'm hoping the punch control works better then the MMM on 6s also. I like the solder post on the motors and the ESC. The fan plug on the outside is a great design too.
I can't wait to test it!:mdr:

starscream 02.25.2009 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky (Post 265050)
Just put mine on back order! RX8 with a 1400kv motor. Should be great with my 6s setup. CC does not have the lower KV motors. I'm hoping the punch control works better then the MMM on 6s also. I like the solder post on the motors and the ESC. The fan plug on the outside is a great design too.
I can't wait to test it!:mdr:

I back ordered the 1400Kv system today for "Old Faithfull" :yipi:

Hey Dafni, "Old Faithful" is alive and kicking and is actually now my Pimary RC.

I can't wait to get this system and see how it fairs :yes:

gixxer 02.26.2009 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparky (Post 265050)
Just put mine on back order! RX8 with a 1400kv motor. Should be great with my 6s setup. CC does not have the lower KV motors. I'm hoping the punch control works better then the MMM on 6s also. I like the solder post on the motors and the ESC. The fan plug on the outside is a great design too.
I can't wait to test it!:mdr:

I also back ordered the 1400kv system. I am going to try it on 5s though.

teamtekin 02.26.2009 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasSP (Post 264819)
I am a shopper, and like to here "what it has" etcetera before deciding. I never want to heat why the competition is bad, but really what you have to offer. I can comparison shop myself based on good information given.

Thanks for the opportunity to lay it out. In short we make great products with personal commitment, offer them at a fair price and support them.

Currently we truly do stand alone with the only high power system with 40mm multipole motors that are sensored and run sensorless for perfect response in any situation. In addition we really have done a good job with features, size and performance. You can adjust almost everything right on the unit with few quick button pushes and the hotwire lets you really dial it in.

Like all of our products no compromises have been made right down to the dual contact, self cleaning power switch and servo plug that is best we could find for fit and signal quality. We use gold plated solder posts for tight installs and low losses. We have a small PC for a micro that gives us the ability to update and improve the unit ongoing. We buy leading edge components and use super heavy copper power boards. The fan is quick and easy to replace since we know they will break at times and the housing is made of tough Polycarbonate instead of the typical ABS. The Rx8 is the smallest footprint, handles as much power as the batteries can deliver with control and feel.

The Rx8 has a ton of user feedback with the 7 leds to show error codes and help diagnose issues. We show you if there is no radio signal, or we do not like the signal, or it is not changing like when a spectrum receiver will hand us the default neutral when it is not communicating with the transmitter. We have a real time temp monitor so you can look down and quickly know your internal temps and drive off again. We even have a sensor checker that allows you to see if all the sensors are working correctly. The top 3 leds light up with the sensors and you can turn the motors slowly with your fingers and watch them tick away.

It is also backed by Tekin, which means support by people that are as passionate about the hobby as you are. In the near future we are confident it will speak for itself in terms of performance, reliability and overall satisfaction.

Buy Idaho!

Semi Pro 02.26.2009 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teamtekin (Post 265308)
Thanks for the opportunity to lay it out. In short we make great products with personal commitment, offer them at a fair price and support them.

Currently we truly do stand alone with the only high power system with 40mm multipole motors that are sensored and run sensorless for perfect response in any situation. In addition we really have done a good job with features, size and performance. You can adjust almost everything right on the unit with few quick button pushes and the hotwire lets you really dial it in.

Like all of our products no compromises have been made right down to the dual contact, self cleaning power switch and servo plug that is best we could find for fit and signal quality. We use gold plated solder posts for tight installs and low losses. We have a small PC for a micro that gives us the ability to update and improve the unit ongoing. We buy leading edge components and use super heavy copper power boards. The fan is quick and easy to replace since we know they will break at times and the housing is made of tough Polycarbonate instead of the typical ABS. The Rx8 is the smallest footprint, handles as much power as the batteries can deliver with control and feel.

The Rx8 has a ton of user feedback with the 7 leds to show error codes and help diagnose issues. We show you if there is no radio signal, or we do not like the signal, or it is not changing like when a spectrum receiver will hand us the default neutral when it is not communicating with the transmitter. We have a real time temp monitor so you can look down and quickly know your internal temps and drive off again. We even have a sensor checker that allows you to see if all the sensors are working correctly. The top 3 leds light up with the sensors and you can turn the motors slowly with your fingers and watch them tick away.

It is also backed by Tekin, which means support by people that are as passionate about the hobby as you are. In the near future we are confident it will speak for itself in terms of performance, reliability and overall satisfaction.

Buy Idaho!


what will the warrenty be on the rx8 system?

will teken still warrenty the system if we are useing it with nue 1509 motors?

teamtekin 02.26.2009 08:13 PM

The 1509 is a smaller motor than our 4030 or 4038 and I see no problem.

Tekin warranty is 120days on all products. We are starting to get stricter on receipts and causes because people do try to take advantage of our good nature. Growing pains that come with broad success. Fortunately our warranty issues are impressively low on all products. This product is going to get beat up a little harder than most.

TexasSP 02.26.2009 09:56 PM

Have you used beta testers with a variety of real world applications? I mean everything from hardcore racers to hardcore bashers?

I love my MMM, but CC's biggest mistake was lack of beta testing with a variety of setups and uses. With the issues worked out it is a keeper for sure. I have interest in the tekin for another vehicle though.

What are the restrictions and/or suggestions for setups using non tekin motors?

I wanted to clarify this last question. Is the controller setup to run 4, 6, or higher pole motors smoothly? What are the limits in these areas? Has testing been done with any outrunners?

gixxer 02.26.2009 11:54 PM

thanks for the update. I look forward to putting one of these in my 8th scale. Already put the system on back order. Now just make sure Murphy doesn't break anything else on you, before I get a system. :)

teamtekin 02.28.2009 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasSP (Post 265332)
Have you used beta testers with a variety of real world applications? I mean everything from hardcore racers to hardcore bashers?

What are the restrictions and/or suggestions for setups using non tekin motors?

I wanted to clarify this last question. Is the controller setup to run 4, 6, or higher pole motors smoothly? What are the limits in these areas? Has testing been done with any outrunners?

We have beat on it pretty good in many setups. Time will tell, but we think we have done all we can to be ready.

Should work fine with any motor including the Neu, CC and Losi motors and all the sensored 1/10 scale long can motors.

We have not done any testing with outrunners. The system does work fine with multi pole motors. We have tested with up to 8 pole motors.

We are going testing tommorrow to get ready for the RCpro series Cabin Fever Race that has a 1/8 buggy class. We set up another new buggy today to add to our test fleet.:na:

magman 02.28.2009 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by teamtekin (Post 265627)
We have beat on it pretty good in many setups. Time will tell, but we think we have done all we can to be ready.

Should work fine with any motor including the Neu, CC and Losi motors and all the sensored 1/10 scale long can motors.

We have not done any testing with outrunners. The system does work fine with multi pole motors. We have tested with up to 8 pole motors.

We are going testing tommorrow to get ready for the RCpro series Cabin Fever Race that has a 1/8 buggy class. We set up another new buggy today to add to our test fleet.:na:


thanks for the updates and let us know how the testing went!

DwightSchrute 02.28.2009 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teamtekin (Post 265308)

The Rx8 has a ton of user feedback with the 7 leds to show error codes and help diagnose issues. We show you if there is no radio signal, or we do not like the signal, or it is not changing like when a spectrum receiver will hand us the default neutral when it is not communicating with the transmitter.

speaking of spektrum, has there been any issues with compatability or calibration? I'm running the DX2, and sometimes other escs have arming issues without a programming card. could you speak to that at all?

monsterbaja 02.28.2009 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gixxer (Post 265119)
I also back ordered the 1400kv system. I am going to try it on 5s though.

How many s. lipo can it handle

Sower 03.01.2009 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by monsterbaja (Post 265736)
How many s. lipo can it handle

Up to 6s.

lutach 03.01.2009 12:47 AM

[QUOTE=teamtekin;265627]We have tested with up to 8 pole motors.QUOTE]

Where can I get an 8 pole motor Jim?

Semi Pro 03.01.2009 12:49 AM

[QUOTE=lutach;265867]
Quote:

Originally Posted by teamtekin (Post 265627)
We have tested with up to 8 pole motors.QUOTE]

Where can I get an 8 pole motor Jim?

align 600xl and 650l are 8 pole ( still my favorite motor! )

lutach 03.01.2009 11:28 AM

[QUOTE=Semi Pro;265868]
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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 265867)

align 600xl and 650l are 8 pole ( still my favorite motor! )

Align 600XL and 650L are outrunners first of all and Jim stated he didn't test the ESC with outrunners yet. Also, from what I've been told by Align the 500L, 600L, 600XL and 650L are all 6 pole. To my Knowledge so far I've only seen 2 8 pole inrunners. Neu 17 and 19 series, Plettenberg can make them as well as a 10 pole (Bolido or the 370 line of motors) and there's a guy in Germany (Not surprised here lol) that has made a 8 pole and a 16 pole inrunner (I have pictures of them somewhere, but I can't find it).

teamtekin 03.02.2009 06:47 PM

Testing went very good although we had a lot of silly car issues. New car shakedown and all the typical stuff that someone forot to tighten.

We have not seen any issues with radios or binding. Many of the recievers do seem to need an additional cap. It is always best to keep the reciever wires away from the motor or battery wires for best range.

Turns out it was a 12 pole sensorless motor that we tested with to make sure we could keep up. We did, but it blew up in our Emaxx thrasher in the video on the web.

We are really happy with the 4pole design for sensored and sensorless operation. Everything really is working extremely well and I am very happy at this point.

q8-maxx 03.02.2009 07:44 PM

Hello,
Its my first time to try your product

I have back ordered your combo from towerhobbies.com I got $60 discount :)

will this ESC work with HV novak sensored motors? and will your motors will work with novak hv ESC?

Thanks

teamtekin 03.02.2009 08:33 PM

We have no problem with the HV motors. We are not so sure they can drive our motors due to the much lower winds.

lutach 03.02.2009 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teamtekin (Post 266348)
Turns out it was a 12 pole sensorless motor that we tested with to make sure we could keep up. We did, but it blew up in our Emaxx thrasher in the video on the web.

So it was a 12 pole outrunner then.

teamtekin 03.02.2009 08:53 PM

12 pole 18 slot inrunner. It is a EDF jet motor we found just to see how we handled the high pole count designs. The rotor exploded and was not up to the load, but until then we seemed to drive it just fine.

lutach 03.02.2009 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teamtekin (Post 266379)
12 pole 18 slot inrunner. It is a EDF jet motor we found just to see how we handled the high pole count designs. The rotor exploded and was not up to the load, but until then we seemed to drive it just fine.

Any links of it? I haven't seen or heard of a 12 pole 18 slot inrunner.

Edit: A lot of the traditional slotted inrunners goes like this: 2 pole 6 slots, 4 pole 12 slots, 6 pole 18 slots, 8 pole 24 slots and the 12 pole should have 36 slots.

TexasSP 03.03.2009 11:32 AM

and to think that I was hard on Novak2...........

:lol:

teamtekin 03.03.2009 12:51 PM

I was incorrect about the motor. It does have 12 magnets, but they are in pairs so it is a 6 pole 18 slot motor. It tricked us briefly when we found it also until we had it on the scope. It appears I forgot since it has been on the shelf for some time and I just glanced at it. So we have only tested to a 6pole motor.

You are correct that typical motor designs are multiples, but any combination can be made including odd ones like
4pole 6 slot
4 pole 21 slot
6 pole 9 slot
6 pole 27 slot
8 pole 9slot
8 pole 33slot
10 pole 9 slot
10 pole 15slot
12 pole 18slot
12pole 27slot
14pole 15slot

Imbalanced winds, high or low pole count and high or low slot counts all have specific advantages and disadvantages for particular applications. We think the 4pole 12 slot design is the best over all for 1/8 scale. I am sure it will work with well with almost anything, but we are focused on what works the best and we can control.

In this case we really want people to use the Tekin motor with the Tekin controller to get the full benefits of the system and max performance and reliability.

lutach 03.03.2009 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teamtekin (Post 266535)
I was incorrect about the motor. It does have 12 magnets, but they are in pairs so it is a 6 pole 18 slot motor. It tricked us briefly when we found it also until we had it on the scope. It appears I forgot since it has been on the shelf for some time and I just glanced at it. So we have only tested to a 6pole motor.

You are correct that typical motor designs are multiples, but any combination can be made including odd ones like
4pole 6 slot
4 pole 21 slot
6 pole 9 slot
6 pole 27 slot
8 pole 9slot
8 pole 33slot
10 pole 9 slot
10 pole 15slot
12 pole 18slot
12pole 27slot
14pole 15slot

Imbalanced winds, high or low pole count and high or low slot counts all have specific advantages and disadvantages for particular applications. We think the 4pole 12 slot design is the best over all for 1/8 scale. I am sure it will work with well with almost anything, but we are focused on what works the best and we can control.

In this case we really want people to use the Tekin motor with the Tekin controller to get the full benefits of the system and max performance and reliability.

I would've loved to see a 12 pole inrunner, would be a torque monster. Yes, 4 pole has been the choice specially for me since I've have a few Aveox esc and motors. I have actually made my old Aveox RC7 work with a sensored ESC I have here and it's just a step above to the current 2 pole 540 motors. I hope to see pictures of the final products soon.

ssspconcepts 03.03.2009 04:46 PM

Anybody seen this?

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ducts_id/36908

ssspconcepts 03.03.2009 04:47 PM

Another:

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ducts_id/36898

Semi Pro 03.04.2009 08:23 PM

yep amain says the are in stock

jhautz 03.04.2009 08:42 PM

All of the combos and motors are listed. But not in stock anywhere that I see. All listed as Backorder.

Amain:
http://www.amainhobbies.com/advanced...ds=tekin+1%2F8

Stormer:
http://www.stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...umb=on&smode=0

Tower:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...CH=tekin+1%2F8

RcMonster:
?????? Mike!! Where are they???

FastXR 03.04.2009 08:49 PM

Amain site says they will be in stock March 20, maybe Mike will have them earlier???

RC-Monster Mike 03.04.2009 08:54 PM

They are on order, but a couple weeks away - I can list them and show as out of stock like everyone else. :)

Sower 03.05.2009 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike (Post 266965)
They are on order, but a couple weeks away - I can list them and show as out of stock like everyone else. :)

Awesome :lol:

jhautz 03.05.2009 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike (Post 266965)
They are on order, but a couple weeks away - I can list them and show as out of stock like everyone else. :)

Pre orders. :yes:

:mdr:



BTW: DO you know if you will be getting the full system setups first or just the ESCs alone first? Or all at the same time?

Semi Pro 03.05.2009 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC-Monster Mike (Post 266965)
They are on order, but a couple weeks away - I can list them and show as out of stock like everyone else. :)

:lol:

sorry mike i wouldnt have posted about other places haveing them if i knew you were going to get them

i am more than happy to wait afew weeks and but mine from you


and for teamtekin

what will the max safe rpm of the new motors be?
will it viod the warrenty if battery leads, or can we use our choice of high current conectors?
what is the true amp handleing of the esc?

thanks

Cain 03.06.2009 12:13 PM

looking forward to seeing Mike's pricing, hopefully he can whip the competition pricewise for the RX8, as well as the hotwire too.

gixxer 03.06.2009 03:03 PM

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...n/RX8sneak.jpg

snellemin 03.06.2009 03:20 PM

All I want is the sensored 4 polers to test with in my cars. Love the smooth starts of sensored, and having more torque to boost is a great welcome. I have a ESC just waiting for one and it's getting lonely...


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