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Electric Dave 01.23.2008 10:15 PM

Music to my ears...

DM

FG101C 01.23.2008 11:15 PM

Why no kit for the Losi 8ight?

SpEEdyBL 01.24.2008 12:03 AM

... so I can still have a revered setup! :)

j/k of course. Since center diff is mounted way toward the right, there is no room to have a pack on right side the chassis is my guess.

Matthew_Armeni 01.24.2008 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FG101C (Post 143460)
Why no kit for the Losi 8ight?

I will venture a guess that with Losi's flipped diff. installation was tight and required putting the pinion way out on the shaft, resulting in breakage. Room on the steering servo side is tight for a battery too.

Serum 01.24.2008 02:49 AM

@novaktwo/Bob Novak;

The only problem/challenge i think you are facing is with the more than 3/4S powered setups;

since you use the original nitro motormount, and the centerdiff is shifted off center away from it, you might have a problem with position the batteries on the opposite side. room can be tight bellow the body and on the chassis. If the batteries fit, the balance of the batteries/motor is lost. The fact that your motor is rather light (much lighter than a Neu 1512 or 1515) the balance of the setup will be worse.

With all respect, i love your conversion and the idea to simple replace the center part of the motor is awesome, but this balance and tight room with the larger setups needs some tinkering in my opinion.

Thanks for chiming in Bob.

NovakTwo 01.24.2008 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FG101C (Post 143460)
Why no kit for the Losi 8ight?

We were originally planning a Losi8 kit. Apparently the.. battery box we had made was too large, or something. I forwarded your comments to Bob for comment.

NovakTwo 01.24.2008 11:46 AM

Good inputs, Serum. I also sent your comments along to Bob.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serum (Post 143495)
@novaktwo/Bob Novak;

The only problem/challenge i think you are facing is with the more than 3/4S powered setups;

since you use the original nitro motormount, and the centerdiff is shifted off center away from it, you might have a problem with position the batteries on the opposite side. room can be tight bellow the body and on the chassis. If the batteries fit, the balance of the batteries/motor is lost. The fact that your motor is rather light (much lighter than a Neu 1512 or 1515) the balance of the setup will be worse.

With all respect, i love your conversion and the idea to simple replace the center part of the motor is awesome, but this balance and tight room with the larger setups needs some tinkering in my opinion.

Thanks for chiming in Bob.


ib4200 01.24.2008 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ib4200 (Post 143435)
any idea on a price range yet?

sorry i didnt make myself clear enough but i was talking about the brushless system itself and not the conversion kit:tongue:

NovakTwo 01.24.2008 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ib4200 (Post 143536)
sorry i didnt make myself clear enough but i was talking about the brushless system itself and not the conversion kit:tongue:

We will do the preliminary pricing for the upcoming products once the designs are finalized and all of the new components are sourced. Final pricing is determined prior to the formal press releases with projected ship dates. At this point, price projections are pretty useless. The prices of metals continue to escalate.

Serum 01.24.2008 01:38 PM

All thanks to China..

The prices of the mills and lathe's increased drastically here.. I think it would be a wise investment to buy tons and tons of metal..

I am anxious to see what Novak does to make the setups 6S capable, since the size of the rotors is playing part here, at a certain point the magnet is no longer capable of translating the electro magnetic force into rotation because of the copper and iron losses. Novak needs to think about a bigger rotor for their 6S setups.

I personally think you are delivering a large contribution to the world of brushless. Can you explain why you guys stick with sensored? it's not all about crawling, i mean a 6S setup would be a good reason/opportunity to loose the sensors and make the system breath pure and raw (yet cogging-less) power.

SpEEdyBL 01.24.2008 03:58 PM

Not EVERYONE wants sensorless. Some people like the startup smoothness and consistancy that current sensorless escs just do not have. Not only that but the fact that sensors limit the power capability of a system is a complete MYTH.

Serum 01.24.2008 04:13 PM

No, not everyone wants sensorless. I think the majority can do without sensors though.
And the most powerful setups available for rc cars ARE sensorless. Because sensors are simple not needed to make a comfortable and drivable setup. with a 60 mph setup i don't think you need a supersmooth startup which is .01 mph capable. If you buy an F1 you don't expect the smoothness of a towncar either.

austinmaxx 01.24.2008 04:14 PM

My MGM 160/18 with Neu 1515/1y 4s is very smooth, any smoother would not be useful unless your crawling I would think...

Serum 01.24.2008 04:17 PM

sensor less can be smooth, and a sensored setup can be powerful.

I asked what the reason is why novak is sticking to sensored.

suicideneil 01.24.2008 04:23 PM

Given how smooth the quarks and the new MM updated software is, having a sensored system does seem less important. I can understand why novak keeps it though, sice most of their systems seem to be used for racing where low end smoothness is vital, and sensorless systems do suffer a little at low rpms, smooth programming or otherwise. Since the Hv series was aimed at bashers though having sensors does make the system idiot proof more or less, and not having to fiddle with throttle curves or startup power/timing etc is a relief for many. Depends how competent the user is really.

Please pass my thanks and appreciation to Bob and ... whats-his-name for me, I really do look forward to seeing the new systems, and a 6s setup would be great- need those bigger rotors though; 380 vs 540 = no contest.


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