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BrianG 02.01.2010 12:02 PM

It would be nice if CC sold external module of TVS devices (on a heatspreader/sink?) and caps. Might be useful for more ESCs than just the ICE when running either HV or at the voltage limit of the ESC (like 6s on the MMM/MMPro).

lutach 02.01.2010 12:47 PM

Looking at the ICE ESCs, they kind of have a similar design as the Aveox sensored controllers, so here's a question Patrick. Can the ICE controllers have a sensor port to take advantage of the smooth sensored start up that many people like?

Pdelcast 02.01.2010 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 346962)
Looking at the ICE ESCs, they kind of have a similar design as the Aveox sensored controllers, so here's a question Patrick. Can the ICE controllers have a sensor port to take advantage of the smooth sensored start up that many people like?

Nope. Not enough pins on that particular microprocessor to do both data logging and sensors.

Pdelcast 02.01.2010 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 346962)
Looking at the ICE ESCs, they kind of have a similar design as the Aveox sensored controllers, so here's a question Patrick. Can the ICE controllers have a sensor port to take advantage of the smooth sensored start up that many people like?

BUT, if you want to wait another 4-6 months for me to redesign the control board, do new molds for the controller (so we can put a sensor port in,) then... maybe.

sikeston34m 02.01.2010 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 347089)
BUT, if you want to wait another 4-6 months for me to redesign the control board, do new molds for the controller (so we can put a sensor port in,) then... maybe.

I once heard a man say:

"We don't need no stinking sensors!" :whip:

You perfect it, and I'll buy it Patrick.

I'm really looking forward to a true HV setup. :yes:

lutach 02.01.2010 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 347089)
BUT, if you want to wait another 4-6 months for me to redesign the control board, do new molds for the controller (so we can put a sensor port in,) then... maybe.

I can wait, but you know how other members can get :lol:. Either way, I'll be waiting for the normal ICE HV to come out.

jzemaxx 02.01.2010 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 347089)
BUT, if you want to wait another 4-6 months for me to redesign the control board, do new molds for the controller (so we can put a sensor port in,) then... maybe.

I'm ready to order 2 right now.....just give me the green light.

snellemin 02.01.2010 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 347089)
BUT, if you want to wait another 4-6 months for me to redesign the control board, do new molds for the controller (so we can put a sensor port in,) then... maybe.


I'll be waiting for the sensored option......so NO maybe for you mister.

Bondonutz 02.01.2010 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jzemaxx (Post 347101)
I'm ready to order 2 right now.....just give me the green light.

DITTO !:yes:

billy gunn 02.02.2010 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 347089)
BUT, if you want to wait another 4-6 months for me to redesign the control board, do new molds for the controller (so we can put a sensor port in,) then... maybe.

My vote is for getting the normal version out ASAP, I need a good HV speedo. If you do a sensored controller I would probably buy that as well....

Pdelcast 02.02.2010 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 347091)
I can wait, but you know how other members can get :lol:. Either way, I'll be waiting for the normal ICE HV to come out.

The regular ICE HV is shipping NOW. :yes: :party: :party: :party:

SV6000 02.02.2010 12:26 AM

i agree lets get them out as quick as possible and a sensored option can come out later on if needed.

lutach 02.02.2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 347125)
The regular ICE HV is shipping NOW. :yes: :party: :party: :party:

WHAT, the car version? If so, I'll send my HV110 that went up in smoke and pay the repair for the highest AMP ICE HV version. Now is that the 160A or a 200A Steve Neu mentioned in rcgroups?

Pdelcast 02.02.2010 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 347132)
WHAT, the car version? If so, I'll send my HV110 that went up in smoke and pay the repair for the highest AMP ICE HV version. Now is that the 160A or a 200A Steve Neu mentioned in rcgroups?

No no, the airplane version. The "normal" version. Sorry, I misunderstood.

The ICE-200 is the 8S maximum airplane version. The F5B guys are running around 400A (for about 10-20 second bursts) in their sailplanes. The ICE-160HV is the same form factor, but 12S maximum

lutach 02.02.2010 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 347133)
No no, the airplane version. The "normal" version. Sorry, I misunderstood.

The ICE-200 is the 8S maximum airplane version. The F5B guys are running around 400A (for about 10-20 second bursts) in their sailplanes. The ICE-160HV is the same form factor, but 12S maximum

No, my fault as normal for me is car only :lol:. I have never flown anything except my vehicles :lol:. So I guess I'll wait for the car ICE 12S and 8S version then.

crazyjr 02.02.2010 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 346952)
Yep -- we are going to try to do it so that it could be just a software update, but at this time we aren't sure if we need to do any hardware changes.

The real issue is braking energy. If the Phx-ICE design is tough enough for braking energies (it wasn't designed to be a car controller!) then we won't need to update hardware. If we run into braking issues, we may have to tweak the design a bit, or add some external hardware.

If it is just a software update, Can it be used on any ice esc? or, will it be limited to the 200 amp and or the 160 amp? I like the design and would like to run them in smaller scales (1/10 to 1/16) thanks.

Edit: I got one problem, i see two different sets if ice hv esc's
These: http://www.castlecreations.com/produ...oenix_ice.html

and these:http://www.castlecreations.com/produ...ix_ice_hv.html

Which one are we talking about?

Pdelcast 02.02.2010 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyjr (Post 347283)
If it is just a software update, Can it be used on any ice esc? or, will it be limited to the 200 amp and or the 160 amp? I like the design and would like to run them in smaller scales (1/10 to 1/16) thanks.

Edit: I got one problem, i see two different sets if ice hv esc's
These: http://www.castlecreations.com/produ...oenix_ice.html

and these:http://www.castlecreations.com/produ...ix_ice_hv.html

Which one are we talking about?

IF (and that's a big IF) we find that we can use the Mamba software without any hardware changes on the ICE hardware, then yes, it will only be a download, and it will work on either the ICE or ICE-HV. The ICE will likely be limited to 6S, and the ICE-HV to 10S for car use (due to braking energy...)

Patrick

Bondonutz 02.02.2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 347303)
the ICE-HV to 10S for car use (due to braking energy...)

Patrick

More than enough to make my fat ass do cartwheels ! ! ! !
Let us know when availible pleeze...

Finnster 02.02.2010 09:44 PM

HV Ice > sliced bread

sikeston34m 02.02.2010 10:53 PM

I'm ready when you're ready. :lol:

I want one of these really bad.

I think the popularity of this thread says something about the level of interest in this project. :yes:

crazyjr 02.03.2010 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 347303)
IF (and that's a big IF) we find that we can use the Mamba software without any hardware changes on the ICE hardware, then yes, it will only be a download, and it will work on either the ICE or ICE-HV. The ICE will likely be limited to 6S, and the ICE-HV to 10S for car use (due to braking energy...)

Patrick

Thanks Patrick, 6S is all i need for smaller sizes. I'm honestly more intrested in the data logging setup. 8S or 10S would be intresting with my 2250/11turn lehner (1184kv):diablo:

jzemaxx 02.04.2010 11:08 PM

I need my ICE fix now!!!!! My truggy is talking to me at night........ "I need mo powa captain"...help Patrick!!

Unsullied_Spy 02.06.2010 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jzemaxx (Post 347925)
"I need mo powa captain"...help Patrick!!

Is your current ESC saying "I'm givin' her all she's got captain!" ? :lol:

Finnster 02.06.2010 11:25 AM

Shoveling 20" of snow today got me thinking, how water resistant will these escs be?

jzemaxx 02.07.2010 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Unsullied_Spy (Post 348193)
Is your current ESC saying "I'm givin' her all she's got captain!" ? :lol:

Yeah big time.....

scarletboa 02.07.2010 03:56 AM

i want to try 8-10s in my buggy with both a cheap chinese motor and a nice high quality neu. i wonder if 8s is too much for the 1800kv 1512 neu-castle motor. it's "only" 53k rpms. if it is too much, i could always run 8-10s in a 1512 2y.

i crave high voltage setups like crack. i ran 6s in a rustler vxl. i used a cheap chinese plane esc with a 1500kv chinese motor....until the rotor separated from the shaft...
my savage would be running 24s lipo if i had a low enough kv motor and a capable esc. i have seriously considered putting 6s in a rc18t or a mini e-revo. i will most likely be getting a MMP real soon so i can run 6s in my blitz.

c'mon pat, we need a 8-12s capable castle esc. the current hv speed controls on the market right now are very pricey and not so reliable. also, NOTHING on the market right now does 8-12s AND data logging.

virusss 02.09.2010 05:37 AM

Hallo boys, i have a very big question:
The ice hv works ok with a pistol radio without any adapter (pitstix)?
I don't like pitstix :(

pinkpanda3310 02.09.2010 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scarletboa (Post 348367)
i want to try 8-10s in my buggy with both a cheap chinese motor and a nice high quality neu. i wonder if 8s is too much for the 1800kv 1512 neu-castle motor. it's "only" 53k rpms. if it is too much, i could always run 8-10s in a 1512 2y.

i crave high voltage setups like crack. i ran 6s in a rustler vxl. i used a cheap chinese plane esc with a 1500kv chinese motor....until the rotor separated from the shaft...
my savage would be running 24s lipo if i had a low enough kv motor and a capable esc. i have seriously considered putting 6s in a rc18t or a mini e-revo. i will most likely be getting a MMP real soon so i can run 6s in my blitz.

c'mon pat, we need a 8-12s capable castle esc. the current hv speed controls on the market right now are very pricey and not so reliable. also, NOTHING on the market right now does 8-12s AND data logging.

What's wrong with mechanical brakes and this esc (air)? I found just the yesterday, whilst buying a cd mount, that Mike has a mech brake set for the slipperential. Wish I new that before.

virusss 02.10.2010 05:43 AM

No iformation about pitstix?
Thanks :)

pinkpanda3310 02.10.2010 10:21 AM

Pdelcast is the best one to answer that ^

Pdelcast 02.10.2010 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virusss (Post 348926)
Hallo boys, i have a very big question:
The ice hv works ok with a pistol radio without any adapter (pitstix)?
I don't like pitstix :(

The standard (air unit) ICE HV will not work without a pistol radio adapter like the Pistix.

The surface unit (Mamba ICE HV -- not yet released) is designed to work with a pistol radio.

virusss 02.10.2010 04:31 PM

Thanks Patrick, i make this question because many esc for air use works with pistol radio but i LOVE your product and i hope it works too :( Your hydra version works with pistol radio...right?

jzemaxx 02.10.2010 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 349134)
The standard (air unit) ICE HV will not work without a pistol radio adapter like the Pistix.

The surface unit (Mamba ICE HV -- not yet released) is designed to work with a pistol radio.

Your killing me dude.....get that thing done. My wallet is under fire suppression.......its on fire and ready to spend. :yes:

Bondonutz 02.10.2010 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jzemaxx (Post 349153)
Your killing me dude.....get that thing done. My wallet is under fire suppression.......its on fire and ready to spend. :yes:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

ME TOO !!

jzemaxx 02.14.2010 12:24 PM

Patrick, be my Valentine....I will give you money, you give me a HV MMM...deal?? LOL

rotary rocket 02.14.2010 10:00 PM

While patiently waiting for this ESC to be completed, I have a question.

For 1/5 application on 8S what is a good motor to go with?

I want to convert my MCD desert truck to BL.

jzemaxx 02.14.2010 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rotary rocket (Post 349914)
While patiently waiting for this ESC to be completed, I have a question.

For 1/5 application on 8S what is a good motor to go with?

I want to convert my MCD desert truck to BL.

Neu 1527

nitrostarter 02.15.2010 11:47 AM

Neu 2215

Finnster 02.15.2010 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Finnster (Post 348210)
Shoveling 20" of snow today got me thinking, how water resistant will these escs be?

Any thoughts on this Patrick? Being designed for planes makes me wonder how resistant to water it will be. Some of us can be quite messy. :)

whitrzac 02.15.2010 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdelcast (Post 347303)
WHEN we find that we can use the Mamba software without any hardware changes on the ICE hardware, then yes, it will only be a download, and it will work on either the ICE or ICE-HV. The ICE will likely be limited to 6S, and the ICE-HV to 10S for car use (due to braking energy...)

Patrick

fixed:whistle:


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