Thank you, last i knew i thought they would be opto coupled

I, too, was wondering when these items would arrive. We are going to do a HPI Baja 5B conversion to electric so this is great news. At the moment neither of my two big castle distributors(HRP, GlobalHobby) show anything in the coming soon section for these. I need the motor,pinion,esc, and the conversion kit itself as soon as possible. If a brushless HPI/astle Baja doesn't help my sales nothing will

According to my Great planes acct. YES:yipi:

I don't believe it will be very long at all - max a month I would think - Castle demo'd the conversion kit at iHobby.

I would also recommend signing up to get next months RCDriver magazine :whistle:

I already get RCDriver. I've got guys at HRP trying to find out when they are getting their hands on this stuff right now. The sooner the better on these parts. Castle is a great selling brand.

Hitec Mega Servo Check
Mamba XL ESC in my cart check
motor?
Airtronics M11X Radio system Check
2 x 4S 5000mah 35 c lipo check
Conversion kit and pinion?

I've been torn on what kind of lipos to get with this, normally I would run with my usual, Thunder Power however 2 x 4S lipos from them provide quite a sting.. what did you end up deciding on?

I'm a shop owner and went with the HobbyPeople 14.8v 35c lipos. They just need the deans female connecters soldered on. If I needed something like 60C I'd go with maxamps, I'm an AD with them too.

cough cough he just said maxamps cough cough
And this was such a good thread until now.

I couldn't wait any longer for the CC kit so my baja is running RCM conversion along with a Ice HV esc (12s if your asking) along with a neu 2220 1y motor.

I cant wait for the CC kit to come so that I can build another BL baja for my son to drive with me.

Didn't realize there was such animosity towards maxamps. I'm doing some ordering right now.This is really gonna be nice when it comes out!

That is a big motor.
It would almost pull my ford focus down the road.
So who is going to be first to get this and try it out?

We are We are!! As soon as my distributors can get all the parts in!!

BTW, guys, will this behemoth fit a 1/8 truggy chassis without alot of tweaks?

Any dimension numbers?

Thanks!

Off the top of my head I think if you reference a Neu 2225 you will have an almost exact set of dimensions.

Padrino, I'm talking about the esc, my friend. The motor will be an absolute overkiller. You see, I'm planning to use a BigMaxximum with fan in my truggy with 6s, and I need a more than capable esc to do me this job. The size, however, might be a hinderance.

I believe they will be closely comparable to the regular air versions, size wise- I think unless you have alot of chassis space or an upper deck for the esc, you may well issues, though thats just a feeling rather than solid fact..

Lead Time?
 

So are these shipping yet? On time for Christmas? Can you give an overall footprint? And lastly, really ~~$300? :whistle: I just mean the ESC. How about the Combo? (If)

Might be a bit much for a christmas present... and the Maxx...:oh:

Thank You Castle

It is pricey -- but it costs a lot to make 7hp work right brushless.

For ESC dimensions see:

http://www.castlecreations.com/suppo...ix_Ice_200.pdf

The motor is 2.25" x 4.4" (57mm x 110mm) and weighs 44 ounces (1250 grams.) Compare that to a 1515 which weighs 14 ounces (395 grams.)

This is a big, powerful system. There's almost $100.00 in parts cost in the motor alone (and that doesn't count labor, machine time, etc..) The majority of the cost is in the MASSIVE magnets used in this motor.

The ESC has 72 Infineon MOSFETs, almost 40 copper bus bars, and uses 8ga wires (and the wires STILL get hot when running full-out,) and 8mm bullet connectors. The design uses a 6 layer power board, heavy copper (in addition to the laminated bus bars) and is designed to withstand the rigors of ultra-high power switching.

It's been a blast designing this system -- but unfortunately it can't be made any more inexpensive than it already is. Perhaps in a couple years we'll start seeing much lower costs (as MOSFETs get better--) but today the cost to produce the system is what drives the cost to the end-user.

Thanx!

Patrick

that sounds great!!!!
Were can we get those 8mm bullet connectors!!!!!!!

Hi Patrick, I'm glad to read about the move to 8guage wire, I'm a boater and have a couple of Hydra240s, they are good ESCs but I do find the twin 10guage wires a PITA both to solder and to route in tight spaces, will the new marine ICE line have single 8guage wires too or twin 10guage?

Wow, I think the Castle repair kit for this kind of motor will cost a little more than 25$ then :lol::lol:

Yes, the new Hydra ICE line will use 8ga wires.

Thanx!

Patrick,

Have you heard anything else on delivery of the Mamba XL products? We've gotten a Baja 5B all ready for the conversion kits and Castle equipment here at the shop.

So what is happening in the spring for our 1/5 thirst 12s motor, any advances on programming ESC's for are baja any news is grateful, THANKS CASTLE

Other than using the Hv160?in our conversions

Anyone!! BrianG/patrick

I speculating but the existing motor is really designed for 7-8S IIRC. I'd guess that it could take 10S but 12S probably means that a lower KV wind would be required.

I'm guessing that whilst the 12s controller is still in the works it will be a lower priority as the niche market stuff grabs headlines but generally doesn't make big money as the volumnes are so much lower.

The 8S combo is good for 50mph out of the box and I believe could be easily geared to 60Mph with no temp issues. Honestly how fast can/should a Baja go?

PS Based on my experience its always raining in Manchester anyway so when do you get to run it? ;)

Hmmm... good question!!

A 12S motor would require a lower Kv --

We have been beta testing our 12S controller, but be aware the power is about the same as the 8S setup... and uses an opto controller (so you need a separate RX pack to power the RX and servos...)

Patrick,

Are we still waiting for the parts to come in? Do you have an ETA as to when the distributors will be able to order the parts?

Thanks

Yes -- the motors have shipped, ESCs are built. We are still waiting on a shipping date for the conversion kits.

Thanx!

Patrick

Thanks very much for the update!

Patrick,
Will this controller be able to handle hard core bashing with hard braking on 8s or will it be better to run on 6s with no probs. I ask because I had to take off braking completely with my MMM to be able to run on 6s with no probs but sure do miss the fun that braking provides. My intentions are to run 8s all out w/brakes and to be fair it's a little more $ than a MMM but honestly if it can handle 8s bashing w/brakes than it's worth it to me. I would rather not have to dial it down to 6s just to use brakes but if that is the case knowing upfront would help me make a better motor choice from Neu.
Thanks for a reply.

Why not run a y-adapter off throttle/brake circuit and run mechanical brakes? (I will- FullForceRC makes the bomb brake kit, aluminum pads and a carbon fiber disk= the hot setup $30)

bashers are hardest on electronics. All out bashing will make things fail. An RCM conversion running Castle's new electronics and mechanical brakes will be my bash proof setup.

The esc is honestly a beast. Hard repeated braking of a 25lb+ car on 8s did not make it break sweat. Whilst the conversions support it I'll stick with esc brakes.

Ps the xl almost seems to have abs braking.

No sweat at all. The controller will handle hard core bashing without issues -- just be sure to check the data logs and make sure you aren't running too hot.

how fast should a baja go? At least 93 mph, thats the new record for the gas powered baja (its sort of a baja)

I'm running 12s righ tnow using the CC ICE 160 HV with the CC BEC pro (neu 2220 1y 550kv) and it wants to wheelie at high speeds.

I cant wait for the XL combo to come out. I miss reverse and my mech brakes are having a hard time stopping 30 lbs of truck.

I'm planning on getting another baja for my son and installing the XL kit in that for him to drive around.

Patrick
Why did you say there waasn't much of a power difference between the 8s and 12s setups?

93mph eh? Nice target. :)

The reason the power isn't much different is because the 8S controller uses a 1.9 milliohm FET, and the 12S controller uses a 3.1 milliohm FET.

So the 8S controller handles more current, the 12S controller more voltage.

It ends up being a wash in the end -- both controllers handle about the same number of watts (power.)

Thanx!

Patrick

Hey Patrick what FETS's are running in the Latest string of controllers (HV ICE and Mamba XL)?

Im waiting for the day that castle releases a controller bassed on to-220 or to-247 sized mosfets :) then i can power my e bike reliably :)

HV ICE uses Infineon BSC031N06 (3.1 milliohm, 60V)
Mamba XL uses Infineon BSC019N04 (1.9 milliohm, 40V)

You'll be waiting a long time (forever) for TO-220 or TO-247 based controllers from Castle... They switch like crap -- too much package inductance.

There are much better MOSFET packages coming. TO-220 and TO-247 were designed in the 1970s, and just don't handle high dV/dT well.

Great reading!! I'm loving it!

-Zack