I was under the impression that the Quark handled the NEU's just fine. In fact Mike said his favorite combo is a Neu 1515 w/Quark.

Sorry for causing confision here. My brain was thinking Mamba Max and my fingers typed Quark. The post below should read:

Sounds exactly like the cogging I saw on the Mamba with the Neu. The 2 polers run better on the Mamba Max. I know that CC is working on a software update to make it handle the multi pole motors better. But no ETA on it yet.

Just be careful with the cogging. Thats when mine when up in a cloud of smoke.

Yeah the quark does. I was thinking CC to. DOH!!!
Should pay attention more.

Quark / Neu is a fantastic combo. No doubt about it.

It seems like it. Just don't feel comfortable dropping $650 on the combo w/ubec, heatsink, fans, etc. Ouch!

I love the combo just can't feel comfortable dropping that much $$$ on it knowing the MMM is coming and will have better programmability and higher voltage capabilities. It would come outa month after I bought the Quark. That kind of thing always seems to happen to me.

Right now I'm debating a MM on 12 cells with a xl or Lehner 1940/8 Hi-Amp then buying the MMM when it comes out and using the MM on another car/truck.

or

Doing the 9920 w/8xl or 1940/8 hiamp.

Either combo would keep the total cost around $450 or less if i use an RX pack (an I have a new NiMh 1400mah available to use).

The 9920 and 1940/8HA would also be an excelent setup. Go for it before the price on the 9920 goes back up. The 9920 is a much more suitable controller for a MT than a Mamaba Max, and its on $10 difference right now.

The 9920 is a nice controller. Too bad it doesn't have all the programming options that the MM has...

You could get the motor you plan to run with a mmm.
Then just get the esc when comes out and sell the esc you have.
Then again you may have another project going that will need esc. :D

That sounds like the right plan to me...:018:

I was in the same spot. If the Quark was a plug and play setup, I might have spent the extra cash on it but it seems like you still have to add a fan to the Quark if you want to get more than 5 or 10 minutes on it with a 1/8 vehicle. It also looked like the stock MOSFET to heatsink mounting needed a little work as several people said theirs started to come apart.
The Mamba Max software/control is the best out there. Let's just hope the Neu motor / 4 pole motor software upgrade is sooner than later.
Matt

Just my opinion here, but the MM is not intended for a MT or similarly weighted vehicle. Plus, it's only good for 4s/12 cells despite some people running more. A full size ESC has more voltage options. The real answer here is to wait for the Mamba Monster Max... if it ever comes out!

BTW: If you attach an external heatsink to the Quark, it doesn't need a fan. But, you are right about the thermal pads on the inside breaking loose sometimes. That didn't happen to me, but I modded it anyway before it happened. The good news here is if that does happen, you can send it back to Quark under warranty.

What are these thermo pads breaking loose? I have a problem with mine that could same problem.

Inside the Quark, there is a thick (~1mm) thermal pad that provides heat transfer from the FETs to the case. This pad is sticky on both sides to provide consistent contact. Actually, there are two pads. One between the FETs and a small Aluminum slab, and the other between the Aluminum slab and the case. THe slab is simple a spacer.

Some people have reported that these pads, over time, come loose. I imagine constant vibrations and the intake of dust particles slowly nulls the adhesive on the pad until it simply comes loose. When this happens, there is very poor heat transfer to the case and could overheat.

Some people open up the case and use thermal epoxy instead. However, once this is done, it is not coming apart again. So, this is a permanent solution and will void the warranty. Doing this mod makes the ESC run much cooler though.

Too bad they don't have a better solution to that during the MFG process.

Yeah, but I can see why they do it that way - to allow the boards to be removable for repair. If they made the case a little bit wider, they could use a clamping mechanism instead to allow the use of regular thermal compound (not adhesive). The tough part is making it so the board doesn't move around with bumps and vibrations. Thermal compound loses its efficiency if it gets moved around a lot once applied...

It would make more sense to me to use thermal paste and bolt/screw/clamp the fets to it rather than the method they are currently using. That might necessitate a larger case which they were probably trying to avoid.

It's issues like this that make me want to design my own ESC: Mamba Max programming, BK36120 cell count, MGM160 current rating, and a case all of my own design where ALL FETs are mounted to Aluminum that is part of the external case.

Sold! Send me two of them!

Why not build it with the 40.160 schulze cell capablity?
It just looks like a big pancake.

@ProCharged: I think we can all agree on what an ideal high-powered ESC should be like. Now, why can't manufacturers deliver??

@CHC: Ok, sounds good. 40 cells it is!

[QUOTE=BrianG]@ProCharged: I think we can all agree on what an ideal high-powered ESC should be like. Now, why can't manufacturers deliver?? QUOTE]

Excellent question! My gut feel on the upcoming MMM is that it will be close.

From conversations with Shawn and others it would seem likely that the MMM would be rated for more than 150A (could be as much as 200A but I'd wager on 175-180A) and for 24v.

That would fit all my needs for the forseeable future!

I think the MMM should have a better heatsink/case design than the MM though to dissipate more heat. I think it should be designed to dissipate 3+ times what the MM does now.

The answer is here my friends..... AVAILABLE AS WE SPEAK...

15S lipo (45 old school cells) 100 percent waterproof, with an easy to use programming card.. (you don't need a PC with software with this baby)

200A for 15 seconds.. Fan installed standard..

answer is..

Kontronik Power Jazz 63V..
price is about 430 dollars..

Serum, sounds A LOT like the new BK controllers! :010:

Interesting piece. Does not appear to be available in the US.
Has lots of great features but limited programmability. Great protection features too.

I thenk the MMM will ultimately outperform it. (maybe not 15S though!)

If I remeber correct, the Kontronic has no proportional brakes. I may be wrong, though.

I thought it did Daf. But the BK controllers you are mentioning; are they used in the big fat 1/5th BL FG's? (they use a duct for cooling, correct?)

Seems like all the controllers are a matter of give and take. Doesn't seem to be any that offer the best of everything of price, high current (150A+), high voltage (10s+), programmability, features (working brake, etc), reliability and efficient/adequate cooling.

I agree with BrianG, to get everything it would be a $1,000 esc and it wouldn't fit very good. The closest to perfect that i have seen is the Mamba Max, for the price it delivers most of the things we want, the only things it falls short on ( not to put down) are high cell counts(5s tops) and problems with 4 pole motors.

With any luck castle will address both with the updated software and the increased capacity of the monster mamba maxx!

The last i heard they would use the same foot print, but taller. I'd like to see the HV setup used as the heat sinks for it

Why would you need such a high amp draw with a hi voltage to?
If you run 50 volts of battery.
You draw 150 amps of juice.
You talking 7500 watts of power.
That would be great for a large 1/5 or 1/4 scale vehicle.

True, but you have more options. If you want lower voltage at high current, or vice versa, or both, you're all set. I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it...

It will be nice when the MMM lives up to its expectations! I hope it will handle 8S, that would be awesome!

Yeah, a bit of over-dimensioning won't hurt. I am curious what kind of motors they will include. I can't believe they aim for a high KV non-segmented solution again.

I wish the MMM was here. I'd have ordered one already!

Instead......I'll be ordering a MM and a Neu 1515/1y once Mike has has them back in stock. I'll step up to the MMM once it hits the streets.

Yeah you got a point. Better to have and not need it.
If you need it and don't have it. Then there is ussually smoke.
I hope the mmm is more than what I expect.
I will gladly buy one.
They could base it on the hv110 version. That will do 36 cells or 12s lipo.
I could live with that. Maybe right at its peak but oh well. :D

I run 4s lipo so huge voltage capacity doesnt interest me I would like to see it get rid of the cogging at startup that is the only problem I have with the Max. A nice segmented high efficiency motor with a finned case 5mm pinion 12 guage wires and kv ratings from 2400-1500 would be icing on the cake.:043:

I was refering to the heatsink setup, but the extras would be nice

I like the mm esc but will def pick up the mmm when it comes out..
phil

I agree, sorry Mike but i watch castle's site everyday and when they start taking orders I'll have one or two on reserve

this is what i was refering to, when i said i wanted the hv heatsink http://www.castlecreations.com/produ...ix_hv-110.html Look at the esc in the corner