As long as CC has there MMM combo out for Xmas, I should have one

Otherwise I will have to run my new maxx stock:oh:

:oh: Say that 10 times fast :whistle:

I'll just be happy to finally have an update for my MM to run my Neus and Novaks etc

Having MMM that can run 6s and doesn't need a UBEC will be icing on the cake

I think you will find neu will do extremely well out of this deal. No matter what CC would have become a major competitor of neu. Now every motor CC makes will make money for Neu. Also the number of these motors sold will go up dramatically. For example Neu might only make a third of the profit for every cc motor sold then it would on it's own motors. Thing is cc is easily likely to sell over 3 times the number of motors neu does. This would double neus income. Thats a basic example and there are lots of other things to consider but I can't believe that neu wouldn't do well out of this deal. Castle will also do real well.

all this New (Neu) business is starting to bother me :lol:

I tend to agree. Neu motors are very nice to be sure, but not everyone buys them, so they have to raise the price to account for unknowns in the market. With bulk sales, they can adjust the price more aggressively since that IS a known.

I will stick with the made in the USA neu motors, can't wait to get a MMM still.

Just found out something else interesting about the Castle "Neu" motors. Sounds like they'll actually be superior in terms of construction. This was in reponse to "ChilledoutUK" asking about whether the can endbells will have holes in them like the current Neus:

"Good point! Actually, we are using a fully closed end bell. Another issue we have seen with the standard Neu motor is that the glued end bells have a tendency to come "unglued" in minor crashes, and that the windings are unprotected from long screws. So the Castle version of the motor will have threaded end bells with set screw capture, and will have blind mounting holes (so a user cannot insert a screw too far into the motor and damage the windings.)

One other thing we are changing is that we are using a larger diameter bearing for the front bell, to allow higher side loads (cars tend to be hard on front bearings!)

Patrick"

He also said the following after being asked about whether the normal CMS36 motors will be changed to a Neu-designed motor:

"Doesn't look like we will be using the Neu motor design, HOWEVER, we will be making some significant changes to the Mamba motor in a few months. All of which will make a BETTER motor.

Patrick"

Link:http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/s...=242626&page=2

Quote from Patrick:

Well, the 1Y works very well with 6S, we've been running 6S systems in testing a LOT.
In fact, on our test vehicles, the 1Y motor on 6S is a drop-in -- we didn't even have to change the pinion.

I'd love to throw this thing in the new e-maxx on 6s. :gasp:

Heck, I plan to take 2 of these and put them in a savage x, each on a 6s2p a123 setup (24 cells total). Traxxas, I love your idea of testing the new e-maxx with a dual vxl 3s lipo setup, now I would like to see how a dual MMM 6s lipo setup would look.

I wonder if they'll have any other KV options?

patrick posted this when I asked him that on another forum.

Looking like March timeframe for additional motor winds.

Patrick

also the plan is for a 2.5d and 1.5y

:yipi:

:cry:

Castle Creations:whip:

Nice. Although I would think that a 1700kv motor on 6s would be crazy fast - maybe even a little too hot. I would like to see something more like a 1500kv or even 1300kv on 6s.

[5s] set-up
 

after testing and racing short [qualify'n races in Daytona Beach] with my Losi 8-T with a Neu 1515 1Y/F on 4s-2p...

i've deceided to drop down to a Neu 1515 1.5 Y/F and run it on a single [5s-1p] NeuEnergy 30-60C 5000 mAh pack...

i'll do a battery change pit stop for the longer duration 15 and 20 min. mains...

IMO the 1515 1Y/F on [4s-2p] is more power than needed to be competitive in off road 1/8th scale truggy racing...

bash'n is a different story...

Ron

That's more the direction I think I'll be going too. Although I really like the idea of running even higher voltage - like 6s. Higher voltage, lower amp draw really appeals to me - especially with the temps.

Right now, i think they are going for the newbs and getting fast setups together. I got a 2.5d/1515 (1700kv) and its wicked on 5s. I am going to try 6s when i get my MGM 16018 in the truck

I tried my 1515 2.5D (1700kv) on a 6s 4900mah pack in my maxx.
The quark 125 worked without any issues and temps for every thing were pretty good. I was geared 51/20 with standard ratio diffs (12.5:1 FDR). Old standard size bow ties didn't like it too much.

This MMM sounds like it could be the brushless system a lot of people have been waiting for. Hopefully they can get the quality of the motors close to the real thing.
If they are close to a real neu, can do 6s, have built in switching bec, can be programed with a computer, offer a 2200kv, 1700kv and 1500kv motor and are going to sell the combo for around $300, a $275 novak system won't come close to comparing.

I got mine back yesterday, and got it in the G2R today. on 5s its so impressive I don't think i'll try 6s. MGM vs Quark, MGM all the way. It handles the Neu so nice, Castles got a heck of a job running a Neu this good

On the MMM, you got that right bro. We could be looking at the best bang for the buck since, well, the MM

the only problem is waiting for that system to come out. Last year I was called a fool on my emuggy conversion for buying the quark and feiago combo. Someone even went as far as to pull a post from a Castle rep stating that they would release the ESC as that is what most people were begging for. We are still waiting.

I really do hope that it arrives someday. I am planning a new conversion and it would be nice to have.

Castle.... would you take a check to release this bad boy????

No one could accuse you of being a fool for buying the MM & feigao- that is the standard BL set up these days last time I checked (unless you take it to the next level with an MGM & Neu). Nice to have you back man.

Yo Neil!

I went with a Quark and Feiago. Im probably going to do another conversion of a mini MGT and I will probably use the same setup. After looking at the draw on the Feiago, and what I wanted to do in terms of lipo, the MM was just not practical. It would be getting way too close for tolerences.

Ive always been around but Ive just had alot going on.

Im looking for my emuggy thread on here so that I can post a video of it moving and also the micro baja versus the muggy. Cannt find it though....

True about the MM, and the newest models now use different FETs and are limited to 4s or 12 sub-c cells- any attemot to go over that and you get the 'over-voltage' warning lights. The Quark will be fine though, we are all 100% aware of its heat issues so fixing those as & when they occure is no problem.

Ive had no issues with Quark #2 but Quark #1 fried off of a 3s

I asked about the wires coming out of the motor and what they will be, Extened windings or real wires and here was his responce

I saw that post on rc groups. I also think thats a nice added feature. Looks like we should definitely be getting our money's worth when these finally come out.

10 gauge wire? So this is going to be a powerful setup me thinks?....

Maybe I missed it somewhere in this thread, but does anyone have an estimate on the cost of the MMM ESC alone without the Motor. I saw the motor/ESC combo was estimated at around $300, so I'm guessing the ESC only offering will be in the $200-$225 range. I alreeady have more motors than I need, I just want the bulletproof controller to go with them.

I have no doubt that the MMM will be what CC says it will be, I just keep hoping that CC actually comes through on a date this time. I still have no faith that they will release it in the next year let alone 3-4 months that they are talking about now. But I am hoping.:neutral:

I'd say cheaper for the ESC. Its gonna be a nice motor, so I'd say the motors a good $150 or so of the price since its gonna be a Neu.

I will have a truck and some 6s flightpowers waiting for the MMM if it comes out on schedule.......

...i might have missed it but did we get a measurement of the can from front to back? A feigao L is 60 and an XL is 74mm give or take...

Actually, someone else found out that it was going to be a motor based on a Neu, but not a "real" Neu. Besides, a MMM for $150 would pretty much kill sales for the MM unless they dropped the price for that one accordingly. If the package deal is indeed $300, I would say ~$90-$110 for the motor and ~$190-$210 for the ESC.

Well they're supposed to be using the neu 1515 design for the motors, and 1515's are 69mm long, so I guess they'll be close to that.

True, it would kill the sales of the MM, but whats with the Sidewinder? Perhaps the MMM is gonna be cheap enough so the MMM and Sidewinder cover both smaller lower voltage applications and the MMM for higher? I don't really see how a motor that cost $250 plus could be sold for $100 and still make money. Granted, the quality will be reduced, but not by much I wouldn't think. The cheaply made MM motors are ~$80 if I remember correctly, I would say the MMM motor will be a good bit more, but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong.

I hear ya. Whoever is making the motors is gonna have to cut some corners somewhere to meet a price point and quality level that will be accepted by the masses or they'll just use a different motor.

Either that or the price will be higher than $300. After all, a MM system typically goes for $212, so it wouldn't surprise me if the actual price is right around $400-$450 for the bundle - which would make more sense given the size and capabilities. Maybe that $300 figure is dealer cost? I dunno, but even at $400 it would be a decent buy considering what you get.

Ya, I'd like to know where this "$300.00" came from. That's way too cheap. $400-$450 sounds about right to me.

Well machine wound would be a lot cheaper then hand wound wouldn't it? Also a much larger scale production bring down cost as well. I doubt the cost would be over $400. It wouldn't sell if it was (it may sell to us but not the average joe).

Most companies have a huge mark up basically to cover the overhead. If you look at the electronic components that goes in a ESC, you will see that most don't add up to $20, but most will say the software brings the price up and it is true. I know companies that makes slotted style motors for prices most people can't understand. The slot less motors from Feigao for example, if I put the prices they are really worth in here, I'll probably get kicked. I'll make one example: The 600L motor from Align is manufactured by another company and my price is $35 for 100+ units.

...So about 70mm...Excellent thanks for that Patrick...I was hoping the measurement would be metric ;)

That's assuming CC's version of the neu motors are the same length.