Yeah I'm just bein' a smart ass :lol:
Noone try 12s on their new MMM!:mdr:

How about public beta testing (that's what I was referring to)? The only person on this forum who is not completely affiliated with CC who tested these products was JRH, and there are a number of other members including myself who have been signed up as beta testers for TWO years now. But if you don't mind me asking, who all outside of CC is lucky enough to test the MMM?
(I realize CC is a private company, and can do as they please, but still: what's the point of even having a public beta program listed on the CC webpage if applying for it won't make a difference?)

LOL I am still laughing about the homeless guy getting tagged with the can of pop... ya sick puppy but I can actually se you laughing while apologising... I used to do mobile security and one detail was vagrant removal. after a few years of dealing with the same people night after night, you grow a little desensitized hehe.... I remember doing the bank of montreal. my last stop and a guy sleeping inside by the bank machine. 3rd day in a row same guy. he'd keep people from using it because he;d hit everyone up for cash. I was running late and really didn't want overtime.... so I just rolled the carpet around him, dragged it out and unrolled him on the sidewalk.... done, time to go home. I know he'll end up back in there anyway, so why waste 30 mins of talking.... they just use bus transfers to open the doors... oops did I let that out?

Finally the news we've all been waiting for. 6s at 200amps continues sounds perfect to me. Now to build a truck to use all that voltage... :smile:

Haha, I just pictured Kermet the frog throwing a can at Oscar the grouch. :rofl:


I'm looking forward to this MMM. Sounds like it will be a good value system.

I think the headroom will be lower and i think if it can be overdriven, it will just be about 2s over the rated 6s max. Honestly, if i get one, 6s would be about my max.

I'm sure 6S will be plenty for my hyper7, and one day the direct drive revo I hope to build :)

It won't be long till someone is trying the MMM on 7S, 8S, and up. Just won't be me any time soon.

I've been told a number of different stories about the beta testing from Castle at different times.

... engineers are doing it all in house...
... we are only using a couple beta testers and they are already chosen... (long time ago)
....it's already been done....
...we haven't got to the beta yet...

As I understand, there are local guys and a couple people in the r/c industry who get sent stuff to play with. My guess is that's the MMM beta program for the most part.

So I have wondered too about why they have people sign up but don''t bother to us them or at least send an email to say if you are being used or not. I was supposed to be on the "A" list for the Monster but after Shawn left I never even got a straight answer about anything regarding it, so I gave up on it a long time ago. I'm close enough to drive down to their shop to if needed.

In the end it's not a big deal... just another oddity from the land of Kansas LOL

I'd Be happy if it can handle 9s (A123) I guess that is 8S Lipos

Highflier

I think they did say they're planning to make a HV version of the Mamba Monster Max, right?

Patrick said he would offer a 6S and a 12S controller, but with the delays and all Joe has to shine the light on the 12S controller.

If I recall, Patrick said that they *might* do if demand was high enough. That was quite a while back thugh. Bottom line, I guess if we want a HV version we really, really need to make ourselves heard. :-)

6s is high enough for me right now - I'm stoked about that. Maybe hiver voltage in the future, but I personally don't see a need for it in my application. 6s will drop my amps and give me the efficiancy I'm after.

I can't wait to see my MMM 1500 setup on 6s - should be awesome!

If they made the controller 12S from the get go, people could still use it with 6S and later they would just buy a motor with the right Kv and go with a higher voltage.

True, however, to keep the $300 price point as the 200A 6s ESC, CC would probably have to make it a 100A 12s ESC. Even then it might be hard to do depending on component and other costs.

But then they wouldnt sell you another controller. :wink:

Components are not that expensive. I know, I sell electronic components. A controller might cost $50 (Guessing, but it might be less), but the price of a product have to pay for the people working with them and overhead. Look at this controllers: http://www.himodel.com/electric/HiMo...200A-OPTO.html (200A up to 7S lipos) and this one http://lightflightrc.com/HTML/products/SP_100A_ESC.htm (100A up to 7S and only $39.95). They are not fancy controllers, but they might use the same amount of components. I have mentioned a 1/8 scale truggy and buggy chassis I have designed and I have sent the drawings to Mike. I will only use 10S to 12S lipos with them.

Lets get it and play with it before bashing it :) A whole package for 300 with a nue quality motor is an amazing feat in my book...

Lets cut them some slack eh...

Not wanting to be too cynical but just because its designed by Neu doesn't mean its Neu quality - for example, did anyone else have experience with the Duratrax DTX .18 engine in the Nitro Evader series, designed by O.S.? Certainly wasn't anywhere near half the quality of an OS motor...

Castles quality is pretty good too though.

haha good point :mdr:

A China made controller will be cheaper than the US made controller for a long time, until the yaun (I think) overtakes the $. Having the dollar lose power in the world economy is strange, but it is happening. I know it will be good for the US economy in the long run though, as it will bring more business into the country.

I just can't imagine what kind of KV motor you would put in a 12s system - it would have to be pretty dang low. I'm sure we'll be seeing it in the future though.

I have a Neu 1521/1.5Y that can handle 10S and it will spin at around 44000rpm with 12S. The point of a controller that can handle 12S or more is to use less AMPs. It will give you better run times, plus you can use good 2200-2500mAh packs. This is the main reason why I keep asking for it.

I see - well, that's awesome. I've always been worried about the higher rpms when you go to the HV stuff. But your logic is exactly why I am going with the 6s in my XT8 so I'm with you there. Reduce the amps and increase the voltage for better efficiency and temp control. I just didn't know how far to take it.

I want my MMM! :)

It's just "Monster Mamba" according to Castle's artwork.

All this time we've given it the "MMM" tag... and it's just going to really be a "MM"!!! So we gotta get Castle to add "Max" to the product name, lol.

Oh well... it's still MMM to me.

Still looks pretty - Snakes for 08

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/atta...0&d=1201487668

Ok... they are flip-flopping like a Democrat!!

"I voted for "max" before I voted against it" LOL...

I would gladly take a CC 100A 12S controller any day of the week.
I use the HV110 and the only thing missing is motor brakes.

Cute,

They're more like the far right and too busy looking for the weapons of mass destruction to remember what it was supposed to be called.

I think I'm going to pass on the MM or MMM or WMD or whatever its called until they offer something that can handle atleast 8S Lipo.

Unless my HV110 blows up, I'm good

Hype.
 

I am willing to bet that a very large number of us will purchase the MMM just because of the need for change, and the hype:lol:. Plus of course there will be some that will love it, and some that will bash it:yipi::diablo:. Like the saying goes you cannot please everyone. Just the fact that CC is doing something that has not been done before will put them on top for the time being, until someone else knocks them off. From all of the chatter out there I think there will be a few competitors out there jumping on the band wagon. Even if there are some little differnces it will be fun testing and comparing them for ourselves. Just to have something new and different out there is cool.:party: It looks like this is going to be a good quater in 2008 for the RC community:party:

The website still say mamba monster max.

It is just Monster Max - This is actually from their software - The Monster Max firmware was in the 3.04 release of castle link.

To us I'm sure it will always be the mmm though :)

Ok decoded the settings DB as best I can for now - I need to look at the voltage cutoff as picing up multiple settings - here it is for now:

controller.name version_customer beta production comment gui_name setting_value.name help
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Mamba Max, Mamba Max Pro, Monster Max, Sidewinder Throttle Curve LineColor na
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Mamba Max, Mamba Max Pro, Monster Max, Sidewinder Throttle Curve GridColor na
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Slider Input 9 CH_NUM na
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage No Cutoff Best for racing with top quality discharge NiMH or NiCad packs. DO NOT USE this setting with Lipo packs
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 5.0V Use when running a battery pack with 7 or more NiCD or NiMH cells.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 6.0V Use when running a 2 cell LiPo battery pack.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 9.0V Use when running a 3 cell LiPo battery pack.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 12.0V Use when running a 4 cell LiPo battery pack.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage Auto Li-Po Use this for all applications where you are using Lipo batteries. When selected, the controller will detect the number of Lithium Polymer cells in series in your battery pack, and set the cut off voltage to 3 volts per cell. When you plug the battery pack into the controller, after the initialization tones the controller will flash and beep the number cells it counted, so you can confirm the controller setting. If the cell count is incorrect, make sure your batteries are charged and the correct cell count is flashed BEFORE flying. Note: Do not use Auto Lipo with NiMH or NiCad cells.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage No Cutoff Best for racing with top quality discharge NiMH or NiCad packs. DO NOT USE this setting with Lipo packs
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 5.0V Use when running a battery pack with 7 or more NiCD or NiMH cells.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 6.0V Use when running a 2 cell LiPo battery pack.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 9.0V Use when running a 3 cell LiPo battery pack.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 12.0V Use when running a 4 cell LiPo battery pack.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage Auto Li-Po Use this for all applications where you are using Lipo batteries. When selected, the controller will detect the number of Lithium Polymer cells in series in your battery pack, and set the cut off voltage to 3 volts per cell. When you plug the battery pack into the controller, after the initialization tones the controller will flash and beep the number cells it counted, so you can confirm the controller setting. If the cell count is incorrect, make sure your batteries are charged and the correct cell count is flashed BEFORE flying. Note: Do not use Auto Lipo with NiMH or NiCad cells.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount 10% The brake will engage at a strength 10% as strong as the strongest brake setting.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount 20% The brake will engage at a strength 20% as strong as the strongest brake setting.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount 25% The brake will engage at a strength 25% as strong as the strongest brake setting.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount 30% The brake will engage at a strength 30% as strong as the strongest brake setting.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount 40% The brake will engage at a strength 40% as strong as the strongest brake setting.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount 50% The brake will engage at a strength 50% as strong as the strongest brake setting.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount 60% The brake will engage at a strength 60% as strong as the strongest brake setting.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount 70% The brake will engage at a strength 70% as strong as the strongest brake setting.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount 75% The brake will engage at a strength 75% as strong as the strongest brake setting.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount 80% The brake will engage at a strength 80% as strong as the strongest brake setting.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount 90% The brake will engage at a strength 90% as strong as the strongest brake setting.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount 100% The brake will engage at full strength.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount MINIMUM na
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount MAXIMUM na
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Brake Amount INCREMENT na
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Slider Control
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse/Brake Curve LineColor na
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse/Brake Curve GridColor na
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Start Power Low Best for almost any application, and any battery type/capability.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Start Power Medium Good for use along with high capability batteries, and light race cars, and some slow systems or rock crawlers.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Start Power High You MUST have top quality batteries to get the most from this setting without the car stuttering if it's set up for high speed. Best used for very slow/heavy rock crawler set-ups.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount 10% Lowest brake and reverse speed position - not recomended for fast cars!
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount 20% Low brake and reverse speed position - not recomended for fast cars!
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount 25% 25% available brake power, and 25% reverse speed. Good for low traction surfaces/offroad racing
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount 30% 30% available brake power, and 30% reverse speed. Good for low traction surfaces/offroad racing
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount 40% 40% available brake power, and 40% reverse speed. Good for med traction surfaces/offroad and onroad racing
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount 50% 50% available brake power, and 50% reverse speed. Good for med traction surfaces/offroad and onroad racing - best general setting for bashing
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount 60% 60% available brake power, and 60% reverse speed. Good for med traction surfaces/offroad and onroad racing
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount 70% 70% available brake power, and 70% reverse speed. Good for med traction surfaces and onroad racing
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount 75% 75% available brake power, and 75% reverse speed. Good for med/high traction surfaces and onroad racing
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount 80% 80% available brake power, and 80% reverse speed. Good for med/high traction surfaces and onroad racing
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount 90% 90% available brake power, and 90% reverse speed. Good for high traction surfaces and onroad racing
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount 100% 100% available brake power, and 100% reverse speed. Good for high traction surfaces and onroad racing
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount MINIMUM na
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount MAXIMUM na
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Reverse Throttle Amount INCREMENT na
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes PWM Rate Dummy Default na
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes MulValFore Default na
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage Auto Li-Po Use this for all applications where you are using Lipo batteries. When selected, the controller will detect the number of Lithium Polymer cells in series in your battery pack, and set the cut off voltage to 3 volts per cell. When you plug the battery pack into the controller, after the initialization tones the controller will flash and beep the number cells it counted, so you can confirm the controller setting. If the cell count is incorrect, make sure your batteries are charged and the correct cell count is flashed BEFORE flying. Note: Do not use Auto Lipo with NiMH or NiCad cells.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 12.0V Use when running a 4 cell LiPo battery pack.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 18.0V Use when running a 6 cell LiPo battery pack.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 24.0V Use when running a 8 cell LiPo battery pack.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 30.0V Use when running a 10 cell LiPo battery pack.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 36.0V Use when running a 12 cell LiPo battery pack.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Start Power Low Best for almost any application, and any battery type/capability.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Start Power Normal Good for use along with high capability batteries, and light race cars, and some slow systems or rock crawlers.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Start Power High You MUST have top quality batteries to get the most from this setting without the car stuttering if it's set up for high speed. Best used for very slow/heavy rock crawler set-ups.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage No Cutoff Best for racing with top quality discharge NiMH or NiCad packs. DO NOT USE this setting with Lipo packs
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 4.0V Use when running a battery pack with 6 or fewer NiCD or NiMH cells.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 6.0V Use when running a 2 cell LiPo battery pack.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 9.0V Use when running a 3 cell LiPo battery pack.
Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 12.0V Use when running a 4 cell LiPo battery pack.

Monster Max (F310C) 1.17 No Yes Cutoff Voltage 36.0V Use when running a 12 cell LiPo battery pack.

does that mean a HV version will be available.

Thanks for that Arct1k...some very insteresting stuff in there! Mostly the LiPo cutoff values. Maybe they're just values for the existing HV controllers...I don't know. Might mean something though...

looks promising anyway.
phil