They aren't ALL the same. Obama, Nancy and their gang are frekkin SOCIALISTS!!!!

Prob can't make that argument for Bush, McCain....

LOL at BrianG and Nitrostarter! I Agree 100%! Oh and I want some of those batteries to run in my BL boat!

Saw it! Loved it! Think about it from time to time...

Agreed!

Wesley Snipes' accountant tried to convince him of that. Didn't work out so well. lol.


Otherwise, I think some have been listening to too much Rush Limbaugh. What did he go on about today, how its Obama's fault for all these family values holy rollers who are running around cheating on their wives (least its w/ women this week!)?:rofl:

Wasn't it ol Bush, Bush appointed-Paulson and Bush-appointed Bernake who bailed out AIG, Bear Sterns, much else of Wall St, and whose poor fiscal policy and lack of oversight that has started all this mess?

Very nice to see some RC peeps with their peeps open... allow me to add to the suggested material two more: The Obama Deception, and The Money Masters; both on Google Video. Just make sure there are no razor blades close by if you decide to watch either in full......

Zeropoint, the only point I'll correct you on is the date, the Fed was born in the wee hours over Christmas recess in December of 1913, while Congress was only given short notice and really no time to read the Act. Sound familiar? Yeah it's still that way. This is all explained in The Money Masters. The Act was never formally ratified and is to this day null and void. The only enforcement is by intimidation, mostly in the form of audits, of course. And there have been significant cases lost by the Fed, and enough people know now that before 1913 'income' taxes were nonexistent. And bear in mind the founding fathers left England in part because the aggregate tax was approaching 10%.

Can you imagine??? We now pay upward of 50% of our gross, yes for almost nothing. Where do we start to fix this disaster.... we ABOLISH the Federal Reserve.

Oh and the Max#$^# are surely not worth the fake money we pay for em either!

I honestly don't have a problem with paying income tax because it is supposed to go to various fed/state programs. The issues I have is (and some of these relate more to the state):

1) It is too much, and too complex. Doing your taxes should not involve an afternoon gathering mortgage interest statements, W2s, 1099s, receipts, etc. A simple flat tax that applies to everyone with no deductions. Why should someone who decided to have 5 kids get more breaks than a childless couple? Do they "deserve" it more? I don't think so, and I have kids.

2) Part of it goes to welfare and other "handout" programs. I understand giving someone a helping hand when absolutely needed, but it needs to stop when welfare (and other like programs) become a way of life. Too easy to get handouts if you have no integrity and ambition.

3) Military. I don't want to seem unthankful for the people that fight for my freedoms (limited as they are becoming), but do we really need 4 branches? And if we'd keep our people out of other countries, we wouldn't need as many people to begin with. And really, wars can be/are fought much more with technology today than treating people as cannon fodder like in old wars.

4) Gov't official salaries are way too high. It would be one thing if these people actually did something for their pay other than further their own agendas.

As far as president himself is concerned; I feel he is all but useless. And when I say "he", I don't specifically mean Obama, but any person in that office. Even if he/she did want to actually do something for the people, the rest of gov't can stop it in its tracks or drag it on till oblivion if it doesn't fit into their agenda. So, the president is just a figurehead IMO; parade him/her out in public during events, and then put them back on the shelf after.

Brian, point #1.. I do have a problem with it, state and sales tax, combined with state lottery (a VOLUNTARY tax) is what pays for our roads, bridges, welfare, etc. At least it is supposed to.

Federal Taxes are almost immediately offshored and put into foreign accounts and/or Pentagon black budgets. Much of it is converted to gold and other hard currency which does have intrinsic value, as soon as it leaves our shores.

Point 1.1 Sir this is a BIGGIE- the best way to bloat an agency is to add massive numbers of employees whose sole purpose is to create the air of authority, and to make things vague enough that the average Joe is intimidated by the sheer complexity. This is their JOB. Think of it as marketing of the worst variety.

#3 I have the sincerest respect for our servicemen, however to continue with the Oil & War economy we live under requires new and unending wars. We need to change that.

And yes sir, he is but another puppet, just the latest one!

Sorry guys, you can like get back on topic... maybe?

No way, too much fun. Besides, if we actually stay on topic, we'd be breaking tradition around here. And you wouldn't want that would you?

I'm actually all for breaking tradition, always have been :yes: but I'll make this one exception...

But yes, back on-to-off topic:lol: if it pleases the court (and its jesters)

look up "obama deception" in any search engine and watch the video. you won't believe what is actually going on in this country (well, most of you. some already know)

Keep it going guys! I've still got most of a bowl of popcorn :tongue:

My biggest problem with taxes under Democrats is it's what I call "Shame-on-you" taxing. Back when I was working 2 days/week I was paying maybe $30 into taxes, now I'm up around 180 hours/month (working almost every day) and only making a few hundred per check more. I know people that have some SERIOUS money but won't invest it into anything because they'll pay out the @$& in capital gains taxes and they'd rather wait a few years for Republicans to come back into some form of power and let people earn money again.

In defense of the man, Obama has done 1 great thing that I can think of. The firearms industry is probably the only one making good money these days. Ammunition these days costs 4x what it did just a few years ago, semi-automatic firearms are up around 3x, and it's hard to get a hold of anything. If only Napolitano hadn't decided that the Chinese needed the CIA, FBI, Police, and Military's empty brass worse than the U.S. owned and operated companies reloading them and selling them to the civilian market (tens-of-thousands have already lost their jobs over this).

EDIT: While I'm still on my soapbox I'd like to unload something else. In 2008 Bush temporarily removed the federal tax on gasoline (probably diesel as well, my memory sucks though) and people were all mad and claiming that he was just trying to help out his "rich buddies" by making them pay less into taxes. The thing they don't seem to understand is that the oil companies are not going to just eat the cost of taxes and keep gas prices the same. Without the taxes they can produce it for less money and therefore sell for less money (laissez-faire free-market capitalism does actually work, oil companies compete for business and they reduce their prices to make their oil more attractive to buyers.) If we crank up the taxes on big companies they will raise prices which makes things harder for the everyday person and that company will probably relocate overseas where they can improve their profit margins by getting cheaper labor and fewer taxes. Every big company/corporation started off as a small one but through hard work and good business decisions they prospered and grew (hiring more workers along the way, lets not forget). Lets not punish them for being successful but rather encourage success and let the "troubled assets" which make poor decisions fail, someone else will come in to fill their space.

Hmhaha...:eyes::wink:

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