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rhylsadar 10.18.2007 12:10 PM

i think they have a good mix of old and new parts. rpm suspension etc still usable. transmission, steering, chassis, diffs upgraded.
thats more or less exactly what i thought. i was very near to buy a t maxx 2.5r and convert it to a single speed lightweight plastic e maxx. but now i think this strategy has become just useless.

rhylsadar

rchippie 10.18.2007 12:36 PM

I see they upgraded the diffs but it still looks like they are using the old style bulk heads. If they are then i think they would have to use different diff cases.

lincpimp 10.18.2007 01:06 PM

Anyone heard how much it will cost?

suicideneil 10.18.2007 01:39 PM

No idea on cost, but it would make for an interesting guessing game- my guess is about $400. As for the motor mount- I too thick its looks abit wonky, but with the optional single motor plate & cover installed it does make for a nice clean setup, plenty of room for a stonking greatbig motor behind the tranny. I wonder, will the new E-Revo have a simialr type chassis?... the battery hold-downs and general chassis layout would seem compatible more or less.

lincpimp 10.18.2007 01:47 PM

The tranny with the single motor plate on it would be great for a revo conversion, plus the center driveshafts seem to be similar to the revo ones, so modifications may not be necessary to make it fit. Not sure how the new tranny mounts, but it seems to be similar sized to the old emaxx tranny. can't wait to get one of these new emaxxs, looks cool to me!

gixxer 10.18.2007 02:03 PM

all in all I think its a very good upgrade to the current maxx. The diffs, single speed and dual servo setup are nice. I think they will sell a lot of them just not to many of us with converted revo's and truggies.

Finnster 10.18.2007 02:16 PM

Yeah I don't see too many hardcore ERevo people switching. should be interesting to see tho how this pans out vs Tekno's Revo conversion kit. The Emaxx1.5 will still sell more undoubtedly as its factory and cheaper than a converted Revo, but its still bash oriented. The Revo will still be the king racer.

Does anyone else think this will kill the chances for an ERevo anytime in the near future? The 1/8 E market is not that big yet, so I don't see a whole lot of push to get one out. The big thing about the Revo is being race worthy, but a titan setup would be not be up to it, and the VXL Revo would be even more expensive. IE I think RCM and Tekno are going to be safe for a while w/ Revo conversions.

Must say tho, the Emaxx1.5 + FLM 1/8th bulks would make a great almost-outta-the-box basher.

jhautz 10.18.2007 02:20 PM

I dont thisnk this kills the chances for an E-Revo at all. If you think about it logically they have a nitro maxx and a nitro revo. If they didnt upgrade the Emaxx and went straight to the E-Revo it would have totally killed the emaxx. this way they get to keep both platforms.

i actuall find it interesting that the new Emaxx has so many revo parts on it. Makes it easy to transition to the revo IMO. I think someone mentioned earlier wondering if the new tranny would bolt up to the revo chassis. If it does, there is your first sign that the e-revo is not to far away.

jhautz 10.18.2007 02:23 PM

Anyone happen to notice if the revo center diff will "fit" the new emaxx tranny? That would be a cool upgrade.

jnev 10.18.2007 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 123593)
Anyone happen to notice if the revo center diff will "fit" the new emaxx tranny? That would be a cool upgrade.

That would definitely be an awesome upgrade to add if it fits.

It looks pretty good. Most of the upgrades were very thoughtful. The main thing I like about it is that it is waterproof. If I was to buy it, that would be the only/main reason. I would just use it as a vacation car for when I go to the mountains. Now you just have to worry about the battery connectors getting wet...

I am still awaiting the E-Revo and 4s/5s/6s BL system though, which IMO will be the greatest hits for the public.

suicideneil 10.18.2007 03:34 PM

I vote Mike should make a new V4? slipperential for the new Emaxx- plenty of room with the new chassis layout me thinks.... (not like he has anything else to do). :lol:

mkrusedc 10.18.2007 03:57 PM

From "Zinno" a Traxxas employee about those mew diffs...
"FYI to everyone,

The new differentials are not 100% stock swapped Revo differentials. They are beefed up with new internals and steel internal bracing, and will undeniably support the power of brushless systems. A nice feature of these is that they are backwards compatible with T-Maxx 3.3 and Revo trucks. The center driveshafts are beefed up and will also support the power. Both of these, and all other potential weakpoints have been extensively tested and proven.

The transmission is more compact and almost 2.5 times as strong as the previous E-Maxx design.

The V-Twin Concept setup is treated as a single ESC/Motor system electronically.

The body is a new version and while featuring similar overal features, is a new design."

lincpimp 10.18.2007 04:06 PM

How does a dual feigao 10l and mm system sound. Run it on a pair of 4000 4s lipos and it would scream. Even a pair of 12s motors on 3s might work, as long as the new emaxx is light enough. I know that one high end motor would be better, but I have all of the necessary parts save for the 2nd motor.

squeeforever 10.18.2007 04:21 PM

I personally think its a good idea to upgrade the Maxx, and hopefully a Revo isn't far behind. I think I'll be getting one of those trannys soon. It really shows Traxxas is paying attention to the after-market community. Such as the extended chassis, cam type servo saver, single speed tranny, metal tranny gears, etc.

lincpimp 10.18.2007 04:31 PM

Just found out that pricing will be $350 - $375

mkrusedc 10.18.2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 123606)
Just found out that pricing will be $350 - $375

Where did you hear that???

coolhandcountry 10.18.2007 04:54 PM

Can some one tell me when mike is selling them? I am waiting.

gixxer 10.18.2007 05:19 PM

thats not too bad. was that lhs price or an online site? do they have a release date?

lincpimp 10.18.2007 05:23 PM

My good friend at the lhs just ordered 6 of them and based on his cost we figure they will be between 350 and 375. This means that they will most likely go for less than 350 online when they come out. I have already had him put one aside for me. Will have to check and see if they show the different colors on traxxas website, I will go with either the black or blue!

Finnster 10.18.2007 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 123606)
Just found out that pricing will be $350 - $375


Wow, that is a good price. Awesome to hear about the diffs as well. I'm sure we'll see alot of these cropping up on the Ebay chopshops. :)

Maybe that does leave room for an ERevo then. I just hope it isnt a plastic chassis, and the price really can't go over $500 or I don't see enough people buying it to make it to market. Its still a nitro's world (for now.)

Asking the LHS owner why the Tmaxx is even stocked so much w/ the Revo as a much better truck, basically "they both say 45 mph on the box, and when people come in to look at them, they see that and the Maxx as $100 less. In the end more people walk out w/ maxxes."

gixxer 10.18.2007 05:33 PM

that totally makes sense when you are talking about new buyers. I actually have a friend that bought a tmaxx a few months ago. He told me after he already picked it up, my first question was why he didn't get the revo. To him they were the same thing (Monster trucks) that went the same speed so why spend the extra $$$.

lutach 10.18.2007 05:39 PM

Why didn't Traxxas make it brushless from the get go?

rchippie 10.18.2007 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 123616)
Why didn't Traxxas make it brushless from the get go?

Two reasons in my opinion.

#1 COST
#2 There own system is not ready yet.

lutach 10.18.2007 05:50 PM

They could've waited until a system was ready and then that tittle "NEXT" would make sense to me.

Robert 10.18.2007 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rchippie (Post 123619)
Two reasons in my opinion.

#1 COST
#2 There own system is not ready yet.

I semi agree. I think they also know that people like to use other systems as well. This leaves it open to the purchaser and keeps the price down.

rchippie 10.18.2007 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert (Post 123621)
I semi agree. I think they also know that people like to use other systems as well. This leaves it open to the purchaser and keeps the price down.


Very true :smile:

skellyo 10.18.2007 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rchippie (Post 123619)
Two reasons in my opinion.

#1 COST
#2 There own system is not ready yet.

I think cost is their main concern. I imagine for every 3.3 Revo they sell (their most expensive vehicle aside from the large gas buggy), they probably sell 2 Maxx vehicles or maybe 3 Bandit/Rustler/Stampedes. Most folks aren't going to walk into a hobby shop off the street and want to drop $500 on a RTR BL vehicle unless it's advertised at at least the speeds of the nitro vehicles.

lutach 10.18.2007 06:16 PM

Put it like this. Most of the members here have a brushless system and would not even bother going back to the old set up. Most spend over $500 just to get a decent BL system. Now if Traxxas came out with a RTR BL version for around $500-600, I think it is a bragain.

rchippie 10.18.2007 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skellyo (Post 123628)
I think cost is their main concern. I imagine for every 3.3 Revo they sell (their most expensive vehicle aside from the large gas buggy), they probably sell 2 Maxx vehicles or maybe 3 Bandit/Rustler/Stampedes. Most folks aren't going to walk into a hobby shop off the street and want to drop $500 on a RTR BL vehicle unless it's advertised at at least the speeds of the nitro vehicles.


I think your right sean :smile:. I pretty sure they do ALOT of market research before investing ther money.

rchippie 10.18.2007 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lutach (Post 123630)
Put it like this. Most of the members here have a brushless system and would not even bother going back to the old set up. Most spend over $500 just to get a decent BL system. Now if Traxxas came out with a RTR BL version for around $500-600, I think it is a bragain.


you have to remember we are die hards here. Most of the people that have rc truck's are not willing to spend the kind of money on our toys as we do here in my opinion . I bet we are a very small percentege of the intire rc market

lutach 10.18.2007 06:28 PM

At this moment, I'm having the biggest headache trying to get my 200A controller done, but I might be out of luck. The engineer sent me an e-mail saying that the PCBs used on the controllers were samples and a few of them failed. He said he could do a 100A 15S, but the 200A would've been awesome. I can get a motor with similar design as the Align 600L/XL motors, but much bigger and I will get a custom chassis done as well. If I add all the price, including some profit, I can have a ARTR super truck for around $600. All you would need is your favorite radio. Most would think $600 is expensive, but you will get a ESC, motor, Lipos and a rock solid truck. I'm nodoby compared to Traxxas and I know they have a big overhead, but they can make their own ESC and motor which for sure would be cheaper than the one I can get.

lincpimp 10.18.2007 06:45 PM

You can put me down for one of your super trucks Lutach, just get the design finalized, tested and cerified before christmas. And let me know who will offer parts support and I will get my buddy at the lhs to sign up so that I can get parts from him. And make sure that it has some instructions, maybe a exploded diagram. And some sort of tech support would be nice too, with some english sounding people on the other line. Maybe some attractive females, I know that Neil would buy one, just for the social aspect!

Arct1k 10.18.2007 06:46 PM

My 2c is that it is market positioning like the VXL - have an intro model and a performance model - Sell this one cheaper get hooked on the hobby - upgrade kit comes out ppl will go buy it! more money!

Dagger Thrasher 10.18.2007 06:48 PM

I'm really liking the look of the new Maxx...and the beefed-up Revo diffs sound especially good! They seem to have really put a lot of thought into it, even down to the small things (like double-shear linkage mounts). :)
After reading the Traxxas forums though, it amazes me how many people are suggesting that Traxxas will release a "V-Twin" version of it...they don't seem to realise that it'd be stupidly expensive (not to mention less efficient, etc). I'm with you guys...in time they'll release their own, higher-voltage VXL system for it.

gixxer 10.18.2007 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rchippie (Post 123632)
you have to remember we are die hards here. Most of the people that have rc truck's are not willing to spend the kind of money on our toys as we do here in my opinion . I bet we are a very small percentege of the intire rc market

now that I think is so true. sometimes we spend so much on them that when someone asks you really dont even want to give a real number. I mean $300 motor, $280 esc, $200 battery, $120 servos the list just goes on and on. Good thing for me that as soon as I start to run one of my trucks I forget about the $$$ and just try to enjoy it.

lutach 10.18.2007 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 123636)
You can put me down for one of your super trucks Lutach, just get the design finalized, tested and cerified before christmas. And let me know who will offer parts support and I will get my buddy at the lhs to sign up so that I can get parts from him. And make sure that it has some instructions, maybe a exploded diagram. And some sort of tech support would be nice too, with some english sounding people on the other line. Maybe some attractive females, I know that Neil would buy one, just for the social aspect!

The drive train that is working for me right now is from the Hot Bodies line of 1/8 scale vehicles. Everything else will be straight forward. Most of my vehicles doesn't have instructions (BPP turggy, Mr. C MBX5T and my custom TC3 Truggy) and I work on them without an issue. I will make sure it will be easy to work on.

lincpimp 10.18.2007 07:13 PM

Yeah, just giving you a hard time. I am sure that Traxxas will bring out a brushless emaxx, and even an E-Revo eventually. They are a big company and rely on sales to pay the bills. I am sure that most of their stuff is not high profit, they just make it up with volume. I was serious when i said that I would be interested in your truck. Any chance you have a link or pics of the MR. C mugen? I have not had much success in finding any of his work.

cart213 10.18.2007 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixxer (Post 123640)
now that I think is so true. sometimes we spend so much on them that when someone asks you really dont even want to give a real number. I mean $300 motor, $280 esc, $200 battery, $120 servos the list just goes on and on. Good thing for me that as soon as I start to run one of my trucks I forget about the $$$ and just try to enjoy it.

When somebody asks me how much my trucks cost, I always lowball too. It's embarrassing to admit how much I spend on these toys! :lol:

mkrusedc 10.18.2007 07:21 PM

Does anyone know if the roll pin weakness on the input shaft of the tranny was fixed?

Dagger Thrasher 10.18.2007 07:26 PM

I'd imagine they have...if they've redesigned the rest of the tranny and it's holding up to twin Velineons then it's probably been sorted. I don't know obviously, just throwing in my 2 pence there. :)


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