Well, if that $300 is the dealer's cost, then I'd still be happy :party:.

Machine winding will most definitely take costs down. Look at brushed motors for example, hand wound ones cost about $70+ while their machine wound counterparts are about $40. If that logic were to stay true with this situation, it would take the price down from $280 to $160.

That's assuming the savings are based on percentage rather than a $30 constant. :smile:

That came from the president of CC himself. Street price, not dealer cost. :yes:

I can see $300... that has kinda been the target price from the beginning from what I recall.

I would guess a breakdown cost (assuming a $300 combo)
esc $195
motor $110

I can also see the combo price getting bumped a little if things don't go as planned.... to like $320 but I think they are smart enough to keep it from getting too high. They want to grab the average joe market like the MM did.

I won't be shocked to see the MAP price at $299 with the "real" street price being about 10% less, just like the MM. How cool would it be to get a sweet 1/8 setup for $269? :yipi:

price sells.. :rules:

EDIT: Mr. Castle himself posted again today that it will be "under $300 street price"

Actually, MAP means minimum advertised price, so they can't really have anything below MAP. I think you mean retail. The MM combo's run 250 retail, 212.5 MAP, and dealer cost is lower than that.

If you look around, pretty much everywhere except ebay has MM combo's at 212.49

I would personally say the MMM retails about 350-400, MAPs at ~300

The motor/ESC would probably break down like this assuming its 300 bucks total for the combo:

200 for ESC
120 for motor


Personally, I would rather have the ESC cheaper and motor more expensive, but thats me.

I know what MAP is, LOL... that's what I mean. MAP is what I think CC is saying will be $300

Any shop can sell under MAP... they just can't "advertise" it. That's why a lot of Ads say "call for our low price" etc.

My LHS sells the MM combos for $199. Actually it depends on who they have stocking shelves. I have seen the MM priced at $212.99 (MAP), $199, $195 and once they had one at $179

You can generally get a new MM package for mid 180's if you around with free shipping... I was picking up the ESC for 112 shipped.

Prices are creaping up through with the lack of availablility at the moment.

yeah, they used to be available for $112-125 usd, but recently prices have bumped up to $135 on average.

Castle was probably tired of BPP running year round sales and threatened to stop selling them to them, there is a MAP price for the mamba max.

If it comes with a nue 1515, Will it be the same as the motors we buy or just bugeted down version of the real deal. I have already started investing in mgm controllers so if this MMM is not the next best thing since sliced bread, I dont want it. I think its too little too late for me.

From various rumors, it will be a motor based on the Neu, but I assume somewhat lesser quality to meet the price point of $300.

Yeah, you'd think it would have to be. I'm thinking I'll be running the MMM esc with a Neu 1515. Not sure I want to skimp on the quality of the motor.

By the sounds of it some things will be slightly worse then the real neu (not as efficient, machine wound) but other things will be better (sealed, coils protected from the screws). I just wish they would bring it out already so we can see for ourselves.

I cant wait... I am buying one for sure

I think I will have to wait to buy anything untill the Tekin 1/8 ESC is released too, then I can compare specs on both and choose the better of the 2 escs.

I also am very interested in the tekin, I already have the little tekin rage system for the mini t and it works great I have never had more fun programing an esc. You can do it with no radio!

So has anyone heard any more info on the MMM system?

Nothing - i think they are keep silent until it arrives...

However the sidewinder was annouced a while back and still isn't in the shops :(

Not sure what I'm doing wrong but I've had 2 MM burn up now - one on my MBX5T and one on the e-revo with 4s... They felt pretty cool and FIRE!!!! They burn up better than lipos!

Yep, nothing. Maybe a few more design changes since ROAR is passing rules to make any castle brushless products illegal for race use. Pity that roar is owned by novak and reedy.

I do find the humor of ROAR trying to ban castle products, but the amount of power you can use in a tc is limited by the vehicles and track size. I have had some brushless 10th scale vehicles that were way too powerful to race. I have a feeling that the MMM will be popular in the upcomming 1/8 electric class. I have a feeling that the rules will not be as tight for that class, leading to some extremely overpowered vehicles, and fun racing to watch!

They are banning products not designed around sensored motor systems (basically the style that the owner companies make). Also, there can be no variable timing. That throws sensorless out the window since by design it has to have variable timing to keep in synch. Sure the mamba max is too much power for most race tracks, but smaller sensorless motors could be used.

We should get together and make our own organisation. Allow real power houses to compete and kick the weak sensored crap out. Don't forget about Trinity. Yes I own a few brushless motors from them, but I haven't forgot the adds they had in the magazines. Now they have lipo and gues what, I'm sure lipos will be ROAR legal too. People should stop attending ROAR events just because they don't want new technology going there.

ROAR blows.... nuff said lol

"Could not have better myself said" -Chris in the Morning(NX)

The castles are not being targeted per say, Its the motors that were not on the bandwagon when Novak and LRP proposed the rules. What i mean is there have been rules set to allow any manufacturer to try for acceptance. Here is some of the rules;
From what i can see of the rules i posted, the fact that the castle motors are not truly rebuildable by owner and there are no stampings in either the endbell and can are what makes them illegal. I also think that ROAR prefer the wye winding over the delta wind, but i couldn't find that in the rules. Honestly, I don't see it as ROAR factoring out castle, I see castle going with the basher crowd and letting the tracks decide on what runs. I run three setups (4600 in a T4, 5700 in a B4 and a 7700 in an academy SBV2pro), The only way i'd trade for a Novak or LRP, is that someone shows me they are faster and better than what i got

With those motor specs, you can count NEU motors (especially the 1515's) out of any ROAR races...

It seems Mega motors would comply though :yipi:

ROAR rules are nothing but BS.

Does ROAR even have rules for electric MT's, 1/8ths or any other car that would use a 1515? Just about any motor commonly used for 1/8th's or MT won't fit their rules.

Hah...ROAR...stands for:

Ridiculous Organization Attempting Racing


I also have to agree with the whole "too much power" concept. However, I think rules like the ones ROAR has would be appropriate for things like stock racing or things were motor power is restricted. I say this because at a certain point, if you let everything fly, the guy with the most cash is going to have a significant advantage (so long as he can drive worth a damn).


However, I COMPLETELY disagree with ROAR on the fact that they have so many small and pointless rules. If it were me, all I would so is set a maximum motor length, diameter, KV, and voltage level. Or make some sort of equation that creates an index out of certain specs (like KV and Voltage) and the index must not exceed a certain amount.

Well whats going on in on road around here is there running stock, and then 19T is the spec MOD class, so the orion, LRP, novak bla bla all the sensored systems basically are all legal, and then MOD is any motor you want, sensorless, or sensored.....

And for stock the motor everyone uses is novak because there the fastest stock motors...

ROAR rulz :lol:

According to a thread on RC Tech, Roar is building a committee, to look into a rebuild of the electric classes, to bring them up to the levels of the Nitro ranks. This will include an eighth scale electric (buggy and truggy class) and possibly MT as well. The only reason i am watching so intently, is because my track is ready to get into an organization and they are looking at a few to join (top of the list is ROAR, RC Pro and the eastcoast Nitro series), but if they go with ROAR my lipo's Might be outlawed till legalized, and my mamba maxxes might be illegal to run, with current rules.

Personally, I have always been in favor of "run what you brung and let the skill be the difference", Too bad that others don't like them rules (ROAR and the like)

it's 2008..

no MMM yet?

:-) lol


can't wait...

Woops.

That sounds good, as long as they don't outlaw a lot of stuff people are already using. If there's an official class for brushless 1/8th then there's more reason for tracks to let them race and will help get more people into it. Hopefully we don't get limited to novak motors and nimh.
I like the "run what you brung" sort of rules as well. You can only have so much power on an off road track before wheel spin becomes a big problem, so the most powerful setups don't really have an advantage on the track.
I can understand all the rules for the stock classes, but stock has always looked pretty boring to me.

I guess that the MMM is just a myth......something to wish for while we pass time.

here is one
the new sidewinder is only $144.00 at tower with a 5700 motor
and only $76.00 for the esc alone why is it cheeper???
what did they down grade???

less electronics, no wires that are soldered, translates in cheaper manufacturing.

I think they also mentioned a lower spec overall- it has about 70% the capability of the MM, so it wont go into MTs anymore. The MMM isnt a myth though, more of a rare species.... end of Feb is the due date; we will be waiting.

The sidewinder looks like a great 10th scale controller, and cheap too. If it can handle 4s it will be great. Maybe need to disable the bec, but the cc bec are only 20 bucks. I like using 4s on 10th scale 4wd, it really "wakes it up":wink:

BTW, guys, ROAR has made the use of LIPO pack LEGAL. You heard me, right?