@ Luc:

Its a fairly big market, I'll post the link as it might be easier to get a hold of them that way. Prices are not that off from the grocery stores in the area.

http://www.nonesuchfarms.com/index.htm

You might be able to even buy a quarter beef for a good discount if you have freezer space. If they don't have something to suit for needs, there are tons of small producers in eastern PA near NJ that maybe able to serve you. Quite a bit of stuff in NJ as well. A nigerian friend of mine goes out to a farm near Easton to buy fresh goat, and another guy I know gets lambs from a sm local farm near Somerville, NJ. Typically those places you buy a whole or partial animal and save it in the freezer. Not as convient as buying a lb of burger from the local Stop and Shop, but is often of much higher quality and can be quite a bit cheaper in bulk. That was the only way my cousin sold his beef.

You are the man. I do have the freezer space. Back in Brasil we used to roast whole pigs we killed. Fresh is always good. I don't know many places here in NJ, but I used to go to a few great places in Florida. If I'm not too busy in the summer time, I'll get a Brasilian BBQ going and you're invited.

Edit: See if your friends have info of the places in NJ please?

I'll see what I can do. :)


@redshift:
Here is a little article that came to me today re:Monsanto. Apperently their bad deeds have not gone unnoticed, and are trying to backpedal to avoid a backlash.

Not that I think that would undue the damage they have done, and they are not saying they won't protect other patents. There is a scene in Food Inc following an Iowa farmer who had a seed washing business. Seeds need to washed and seperated at harvest to store for the next years planting. Monstato (among other things) was going around suing all the seed washers for conspiracy to infringe patents, as thier tools could be used to assist in saving the seeds of their roundup-ready crops. [Not unlike the movie industry tried to do to kill the VHS tapes, and later the file sharing programs.]
Basically all the poor farmers just had to settle out of court and stop their business as they didn't have the money to fight in court.
Not that this token gesture should stop legal inquiries of monopolistic practices.

Yeah Finn, if you watch the whole Monsanto movie you'll see it gets much worse. Indian farmers committing suicide in droves, etc. because they are literally powerless against these multinationals. And of course the 'pre-emptive' strikes and suits against "potential breaches of patent"-- just insane the scare tactics they'll use. All in the name of providing less-healthy, more plentiful food supplies. And once these strains cross-pollinate, all bets are off. This is food terror in every respect. But a smiley face on a product label is usually enough to satiate the masses.

Sweet. Everything's cool, and this cereal tastes healthy as F*CK!!!:yes:

Sounds more and more like Oil and Tyre companies. High on there own power :drunk:

Yes, somewhat panda. But I get the impression many of their higherups have a bit of savior mentality. They may even believe they're doing "god's will" as far as 'providing for the future generations'. You know how easily most people are cheer-led into believing the best about the company they work for. Problem is, these same co's are hugely responsible for getting us in this situation.... where've I heard anything like that before?

Hubris. Always the downfall of man.

It only takes a few bad execs to ruin or currupt the hard work of a lot of good people down below. Story is common enough and prolly will never really change.

As far as Monsanto is concerned, they seem quite firmly planted on the bastardly side of the scale. Before the seed controversies, there were huge lawsuits against them for PCB manufacure, dumping, and poisoning an entire town in AL.

Here's a more neutral site, but the formatting is crappy. Basically they did a lot of dumping of chemicals, knew that there were serious health implications for people, and didn't say shit and kept doing it.


@ Luc: I'm sending you an email in regards to the beef.

Thank you.