thats an unsecure website, have you actually bought anything from there ?

And when there is a failure of one of those inexpensive motors while you are racing whose products (that look very similar than castle, tekin) get a bad rep?

Besides that if it were not for companies like castle and others that spent money on R&D to design quality (and yes more expensive) products that get copied by others, you would not have any race quality components period. Supporting the manufactures of cheap knockoff products is how good companies get put out of business. And when that happens we all lose.

I maked many orders on this web ...... paypal and 100% warranty

250$ vs 80$ ...... this is the difference for me when the quality of each product is very similar .......... at this moment Im using leopard motors and the design is very different than castle ......... each manufacturer have her R&D for design her products

for me 100-150$ is correct for a motor of quality .......... but 250$ is CRAZY ......

$250 isn't crazy. There are way more expensive motors than that and are about the same size. And lets not talk about ESC's.

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The problem is, when you only know the cheap crap, I guess it seems okay.

Worlds of difference between the cheap knock offs and the real deal.

Either way, I won't support thieves no matter what. I can buy some cheap stuff off the black market for much less than retail, but it's still stolen which makes me as bad as the thieves who stole it.

"I can't comment -- legal proceedings pending against this company in Hong Kong and China."

When is the case going to court Patrick?

¿cheap crap? ..... the escs of 150a from hobbywing and leopard only cost 90-100usd and have MUCH BETTER QUALITY than the castle escs for cars .......

in my 7 years in this hobby I had 5 mmm, rx8, 2 mm, mmp, phoenix hv160, 3 xerun150a, 1 leopard 150a and more than 25 motors of all manufacturers ....... and at this moment Im racing in serious races using xerun150a escs and leopard motors simply because are the BETTER manufacturers in quality/price (my opinion)

hobbywing, leopard etc = cheap crap

castle, tekin, novak, lrp = expensive crap

You may be missing the point - of course they are cheaper, as they didn't incur the R&D costs of the companies they cloned. If I stole cars and sold them, I could beat the price of any dealer around in the price/quality equation by virtue of lower costs. The point is that this is a short sighted and selfish way of thinking(supporting the thieves).
You may never truly understand until you have something stolen from you that you poured your heart and soul into(and maybe your life's savings). It is easy to justify when you don't see it for what it truly is(stealing) and it isn't your direct personal loss!
Hopefully you never have to experience this, but maybe you have to in order to really see it.
Don't get it twisted, though - competition is good and absolutely necessary to keep things honest and fair, as well as drive forward. Using/stealing property(intellectual, tangible or otherwise) to do it, however, is counter-productive in the long term and just plain wrong - supporting such activity amounts to tacit approval. Everyone has probably done it at one point or another - perhaps unknowingly and perhaps knowingly. The almighty dollar(or whatever currency you might use) rules and this is never going to change - one might justify and knowingly purchase a clone when they can't afford the real thing or might not recognize that the clone is a thievery to begin with and purchase it - whatever the reason, the innovator is punished for innovating in the long run by virtue of lost sales.

ill second that....well said mike :rules:.
plus the damage to our countries economy by buying from other countries when you should be supporting your own country...the more we import the more money goes out...:diablo:
chris

Whatever you have to tell yourself to justify buying from thieves.

Not to mention you seem determined to advertise for people who also undercut what the owner of this site is doing. Furthermore, your claims of great customer service and quality from these thieves runs counter to what the majority says in turn.

leopard, hobbywing, skyrc, turnigy and other chinese companys ARE NOT THIEVES ...... simply are competitive companies with great quality products and cheap prices ....... without a lot of intermediaries for increase the prices .....

of course everybody have her opinion and everybody buy the thinks he like ....... but for me and for a lot of more people is impossible pay 300-400usd for a combo or 150usd for a lipo ....... we have luck because this "cheap" companys exist ....... without him will be impossible for a lot of people play on this hobby

I've been following this topic for a while now and wanted to chime in... First of all: I bought LOTS of Castle stuff in the past years, from the small 1/18 Mamba-25 ESC and motors to the big Phoenix ICE 120HV. I buy Castle products because I like them. This was my biggest order at Castle when they had that sale about 2 years ago:

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As you can probably see I like CC, spent lots of $ on their products and only had one problem with the customer service a few months ago.

But I'm not here to bash everyone who not likes Castle like a few people are doing in this topic. And this is the reason why I'm posting. I don't like the attitude to the non-Castle people. Seriously, I can't stand it. Different people have different opinions but some of you obviously don't respect them. It's a shame...

Many of you think everyone is copying from Castle Creations although their designs are very different. Look at it from the other side. As far as I know Hacker, Lehner and Plettenberg were all earlier on the market than Castle with their products. Just like Castle was ahead of Leopard, Turnigy, Hobbywing etc. If I would think just as some of you, I could now determine that Castle copied their stuff from Hacker, Lehner and Plettenberg. This would make no sense, just as saying that every chinese company copies from Castle. Castle Creations didn't invented the brushless motor. I bet they watched how other manufactors made their motors before starting to produce their own.


I'm buying Castle Creations for different reasons: good price/quality ratio and they have customer service. My favorite ESC company is Quark however and my favorite Motor company is Plettenberg. I also got some ESC's and motors from Hacker and MGM. I'll keep buying from CC in the future just like I will do from Turnigy and other Chinese brands.


About 90% of the people who are flaming on anti-Castle people buy Turnigy LiPo's. Shut up and buy Flightpower and Hacker LiPo's.

I personally have no issue with hobbywing or many of the other chinese manufacturers.

I would like to see more stuff made in USA/Europe and would pay extra for it but that's a different thread.

I do think its unfair to copy 100% of someone's design an pass it off as oem when it's a copy aka fake.

Castle didn't invent the four pole motor and didn't design theirs - they licensed the design from Steve nue and pay him for every motor they sell.