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shaunjohnson 07.13.2009 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by muted (Post 303931)
Yep it was on 4s. The battery is a Zippy 4s1p 3500mAh. Stickered as 30c

you must have had 2 of thoes packs wired in parellel right?


and as for the vast magority of 6s setups going bacg, yeah i guess it is pushing the envolope.
i run/race with 6s in my revo.
never had an issue but my setup isnt crazy either...not even trying to get speed runs.
geared 16/68 on a 3905 tranny and that equades to 40mph on std MTR tyres.
it just seems that people see 6s, and steriotypicaly assume it's ultimate speed and power with no drawbacks.

MABEY there should be a note in hte manual stating that 6s operation is recomended for advanced users only.

suicideneil 07.13.2009 10:45 AM

5s lipo or 6s2p A123 ftw :yipi:

ON another note, yeah, I hope there were two of those Zippies in parallel, as 3500mah x 30c = 105amps at best, and as much as I like the Zippies, I prefer lipos that can do 120amps plus, hence why I use a pair of 5s 25-35c 4000mah zippy-Hs in parallel to get me 200amps continuous for my hefty setup (lots of hard braking and violent acceleration and no dead esc yet).

jpoprock 07.13.2009 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hemiblas (Post 303806)
but I am pretty sure that if you are using the MMM on 6S and using the ESC for braking, I think the probability of failure goes up quite a bit. Maybe I am just unlucky twice this month, but it just seems like to much coincidence that this would happen.

Pardon my ignorance... but is there ANOTHER way you can brake without relying on the ESC?

jpoprock 07.13.2009 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by suicideneil (Post 303757)
Bad motor > dead esc, not the other way in 99% of cases I've seen around here. Seems more like you may have gotten something nasty inside your motor, that caused a shorted phase > cooked esc. Running in gravel you say? With a motor that has lots of holes in both ends?... (Im a bastard, but at least I try to be humerous at the same time....:mdr:).

Ha ha. Touche. I'm nearly positive that nothing got inside my can. I was running on gravel yes, but it wasn't like rocks were bouncing off the chassis. They were being thrown 20ft from the rear. Now... DUST was flying around, but dust shouldn't cause a motor to konk out should it? I mean... people race on DIRT which is far worse then the 10min gravel session I had!

I have a crap camera here I'll try and use to get a pic. But I have a feeling it ain't gonna be good news. I'm going to contact Neu as well.

jpoprock 07.13.2009 04:11 PM

Also, I think I might go ahead and buy a couple Flightmax 2s packs that are 30C or higher and go down to 4s rather than 6s just to be safe.

UNLESS you feel that if I gear down considerably on 6s, that would be just as safe. I'm just wondering... what gearing? 68/18?

BrianG 07.13.2009 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jpoprock (Post 304061)
Pardon my ignorance... but is there ANOTHER way you can brake without relying on the ESC?

Mechanical brakes like the nitros use...

jpoprock 07.13.2009 05:16 PM

Wow, that is unbelievable. I didn't realize such a mod could be done on a BL machine like the Revo!

BrianG 07.13.2009 05:23 PM

Well, vehicles converted from nitro to electric will be easier because it was designed for mechanical brakes (has the discs, pads, linkages, etc), but electric-specific models like the E-Revo may require some fancy modding since they are not initially set up to have mech brakes. But it can be done.

Just be aware that if you go to mechanical brakes, you won't have reverse unless you use CH3 to activate the brake...

jpoprock 07.13.2009 05:25 PM

Sounds like a nightmare. A better solution would be to just watch your gearing and lipo combination and you would ASSUME one would be just fine.

However, on something like an LST2 conversion, it sounds like a possible good idea and much easier! Which btw... and LST2 conversion is in my future anyway!

BrianG 07.13.2009 05:29 PM

It can be. Personally, I would only use mechanical brakes in heavy vehicles and/or setups that use high voltage (6s+) because back-EMF generated during braking becomes considerable at higher voltages...

shaunjohnson 07.13.2009 10:23 PM

CC HV-200 @ 90v FTW!!!!
hmm....barbie jeep anyone.
shaun

jpoprock 07.14.2009 11:55 AM

I'm starting to buy into the theory that running the MMM V3 with 6s is possible, but it comes with "use extreme caution".

Maybe it's just me, but that sorta goes against CC's marketing for this controller. They make it sound like 6s is the only way to go. But i'm starting to wonder if maybe 4s is the sweet spot, and 6s is for occasional use only. I dunno though.

That being said, I might pickup a set of 2s Lipos and run them together as one 4s. My only question though, is do they make 2s packs with a discharge rate of 30c? Or do only 3s and beyond supply that? The reason I'm asking, is because I'm thinking of buying some Zippy Flightmax Lipos. I seem to recall hearing that if you're going to buy "cheaper" Lipos to run w/ the MMM, you need to make sure they are at least 30c

Is that accurate?

hemiblas 07.14.2009 12:19 PM

You should really just post some links on what you are considering. You can get 30C 2S packs just like you get them in 3S packs, just depending on how you want them built. I dont think they offer the 30C is 2S for the flightmax lipos. Just the C rating is not going to help. 2200 30C lipos wont work, but some 8000mah 20C lipos will. Are you looking at the 5000mah lipos at 20 and 30C?
You really want to look at the continuous current rating of the battery. I think someone posted 120A or over is a good number and I think I agree. So some 25C 5000mah packs should do nicely.

Bondonutz 07.14.2009 12:25 PM

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...cing_Lipo_Pack

jpoprock 07.14.2009 12:36 PM

Hey Bondo... thanks for the link! I hadn't looked at that brand yet.

I was thinking of getting some of these to have when my Flightpower 3s's are charging.

https://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/...idProduct=8587

Maybe those aren't a great choice though. I guess I'm now scared to run 6s in my ERBE for fear of smoking the ESC. But maybe that shouldn't happen if properly geared, and maybe then I shouldn't be concerned. I'm just now all paranoid that running 6s w/ the MMM is literally like playing with fire! I shouldn't have to be worried though, esp if CC is advertising the MMM as such, but I just don't know. I'm not convinced that the MMM is a RELIABLE 6s capable ESC. Maybe it is, with the right tire and gearing combo. But then how much you brake becomes an issue, terrain, etc. I just hate having to be now be paranoid whenever I hit the brakes.

I don't want to get into a debate here... but does Tekin provide the same sort of warranty and repair that CC does? just wondering...


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