Pretty much the same kind of ratings we normally use. The 40V FET I am using for this design has similar resistance (2 milliohm) to the FET we are using on the Monster -- and the 60V FET is a 6 milliohm FET (about triple the 40V FET.)

The surge rating is the .6 second rating (mostly for startup.)

Now that's what I'm talkin 'bout:great:

Exactly. Europe will be playing catch up when those bad boys come out :party::party::party::party::party::party:.

Playing catch up? They won't be able to catch up. Castle already pushed Quark out of the market. The SSB never even made it to the states. Unfortunately that means that Castle only has competition from hobbywing importers and novak right now, but that doesn't mean they are gonna be slacking.


I am patiently awaiting something with a sensor still, I friggin hate brushed motors but crawlers pretty much need them for a good speed range right now.

http://videoserver.rcuniverse.com/rc...994/castle.wmv

dunno how old this is, but THATS CRAZY!

i assume this is something what you mentioned above... 22500W 30HP, working on a motor... thats one friggin HUGE motor. nice :party:

I'll take 2 for the pre-order. High Voltage rules the roost.

I am good with that price........still cheaper than the MGM HV models

http://www.castlecreations.com/csp/index.html

We do some pretty high power stuff. :)

The ICE data logging looks nice... anyone need a eagletree ;)

Can you have the SHV with the car software Patrick?

No, it has different back-emf hardware -- not sensitive enough for the car software. No worries though, the 12S hardware for the car controllers should be done this weekend. I'll probably be prototyping in about 3-4 weeks.

Sounds good. I was hoping to get the SHV for a project that will happen if my F1 car arrives soon. I know the plane controllers are forward and brake only, but is there any way to make one to have forward and car brake? I won't need reverse at all. The HV110 that I have was working really good in my truck.

Lutach, is this a 5th scale F1 or something else?

It is 1/8 scale. I've been talking with Ronald Baar one of the owners of Serpent. He said the F1 will be in the next shipment to the US, but I haven't heard anythinf else. If it comes soon, I'll have time to design a new chassis and what ever else it will need.

Kick.. F'ing... ass. Nice on the 8s and 12s options :great:

YAY!!!! Count me in for the 125a 12s!! Will this be on your site, or will this be between you and us of the RC-M crew?

Nice! That's awesome Patrick....they're gonna be some stunning controllers 12S at 200A constant...flip me with a didgeridoo, that's a lot of power.

Some interesting info in that link, too! The current ratings that you've put on various Mamba controllers are interesting...are they assuming absolute constant operation? They're down on the controllers' hobby "constant" ratings, so I'm guessing so? Also, I see that you're got a Mamba Max Pro listed there. Is that just the normal Max with a different name, or something new?...

Sorry for the questions, you must get fed up with them. Those controllers sound phenomenal!

That is some seriously cool stuff!!

Would it be possible to make these controllers available with the CIL software - there are some powerful options available in there that the consumer CC Link software just can't provide.

That's a point. Obviously a lot of the CIL features would be redundant for our uses, but some areas - like current limiting - could be extremely useful. Maybe just incorporating a few of those features into the hobby CastleLink? I know it's probably nowhere near that simple (or just not possible), but it'd be very cool.

The hobby ratings are realistic true continuous ratings -- they just assume some airflow (about 5mph airflow over the controller.)

The other ratings are with lower airflow, or still air.

The Mamba Max Pro is the next generation Mamba Max -- not released yet (reworking it in parallel with the Monster.)
Slightly lower current handling than the Mamba Max, but adds a switching BEC, up to 5S operation, fan option, better heat sink, and a 5 pin "feature" connector (that can be used for hybrid sensored/sensorless operation.)
The Mamba Max will remain in production -- mostly because some people will want the higher current capability of the Mamba Max. The Pro has slightly lower current handling because we decided to add features but keep the cost similar (fewer FETs, but better heat sink and other features.)

At somepoint can/will you just change the MM heatsink to the cross drilled version?

Wow, that sounds pretty nice! The switching BEC in there should help keep the more mainstream 3S setups cooler for sure. Can't wait to see that when it comes out! With 5S operation without a UBEC, it sounds like it could be a good ESC for 1/8th buggies perhaps (at least, low current setups). Thanks for the info on the current ratings too. :)

One question though...how come you're adding a sensor port? I'm just curious, as you've been saying that sensors are near enough useless next to good sensorless software. Unless that's going to be geared towards crawler use?

Patrick....

is there plans to offer these HV contollers without a fan?

Jeebus, you guys are keeping busy!

yeah, u guys are certaintly working super hard! soon it will be only you creating escs for the world.keep up the ideas :)

the mamba max pro, what is that targeted towards? those running buggies? or what? will it be the same size as a mamba max? if so, thats cool!

keep it up, meanwhile :party:

Two reasons -- First is for crawlers, for low Kv sensor motors to allow good holding torque on really steep rock faces
The second reason is for marketing reasons. :tongue:

Well -- they will fit a modified Monster case, so will have a fan --

I don't have any plans right now to offer without a fan.

I really don't see everyones issues with the fans. We use them in our computers to keep processors cool, we use them in our cars to keep engines cool, we use them in our houses to keep us cool. They're fantastic devices used the world over to keep things cool both electronic and not. Why is that some have it in their minds that a "properly designed" ESC should stay cool without assisted air movement? What is the real detriment of having a fan?

One big reason I like the fans is that it allows me to mount the ESC without so much consideration for air flow and especially in Texas heat keeps things operating better.

operating an RC vehicle in a dirty enviorment is much different than your computer in your home I dont use any fans on any other of my RCs and dont have any heat problems, I would like to see the option of being able to remove the fan similar to a plug in the RX...maybe have a mini plug in the side of the ESC

I have operated mine with fans in dirty environments without adverse affects so I still don't understand. If the fan is quality and the motor protected how is this different than running any other electric motor in dirty environments? Every racing vehicle on dirt tracks and mud courses uses electric fans in there cooling systems as well. Not too mention military and construction vehicles as well.

Trying to kill-off Novak? that's mean; they only have small weedy motors, how can they fight back against a true ~100amp esc that will run any kind of motor?... :whistle::rofl:

I dont have any issue with fans like I said before- so long as they are used as a substitute for normal airflow, instead of as a forced-cooling unit, its fine be me. I'd like to see a better fan on the MMM, buts thats in hand I gather.

Trying to get more of the crawling market huh? It will never work. You know that is such a small niche with just a bunch of grown men BSing on the rocks all day. :lol:


Can't wait to see if you have any programming tricks up your sleeves (like neutral brake for motors with little drag ability) or what kind of motor you will sensor up. I can't imagine you would just use a normal old two pole inrunner with a sensor, but maybe I am wrong.

Patrick, I am not sure that D2-Pak7 has smaller die than SO8-FL and its current ratings are not that shy. And I agree on SO8-FL vs. LFPAK's.

Personally, I am looking forward to use DirectFET package, you can heatsink them top&bottom equally. For 30V ESC.

I do not see why software can be so complicated, 10 years ago maybe it was an art to make brushless sensoreless, today with all bells and whistles inside micro's and all the features... Cannot believe in that... Neither I have seen chinese ESC with as smooth performance as schulze...

Nice plans for:
8S 200A ->6720W
12S 125A -> 6300W
8S 325A -> 10920W
12S 200A -> 10080W
Just keep wondering what kind of capacitor (size wise) you are planning to use to absorb punishment. Even 2% of 6kW would be 134.4W - that is pretty good size for capacitor...and 2% is nothing you know. Or you plan to have batteries implanted inside fet's :)

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:lol:Did somebody said something about sensors ...Hmm - > Marketing or Hype -> must be crawlers :diablo:

Heck, I'd like one of those Mamba Max Pros for my TT-01. I have an SS5800 that I want to run 3s lipo on since it has the 12mm sintered rotor.

Patrick, what are the ratings on the Mamba Max Pro in terms of current capability (are we looking at a sidewinder type capability here, or something between sidewinder and mamba max)? Can you give out a number or a percentage of what it is in regards to the Mamba Max's 100 amp rating if you don't have an exact number?

No, you are right, D2Pak (To-263) has a larger die than SO8-FL, but SO8-FL has a larger die than DPAK (TO-252)

However, SO8-FL has larger silicon-footprint ratio than D2Pak

The DirectFET is a great package -- but IRF silicon sucks. (Infineon is releasing some DirectFET mosfets soon...)

TRY it! It's VERY complex! If it wasn't complex, there would be a lot more companies doing this ... the hardware is (relatively) easy.

Big ones. :)
Now you know WHY I get pissy about sensors. All that work I've gone through in the last year to make something that works WORSE than what we already have. Bleah.

Rating will be between Sidewinder and Mamba Max. With the better heat sink, it performs almost as well as the Mamba Max... Probably 90% of the Mamba Max.

You will be ahead of the game if you supply IRF with right silicon and get your own fet's. While it would take some time for Infineon to release new package. You know that packaging is the major problem in microfabs. If IRF knows how to package it would be no problem for them to process "your" silicon.

Ok, I will try to come up with software, you convinced me :) Done that in the past, so not a big deal, as you said hardware is relatively simple :)

See, I was hoping you write software, I will do the hardware - the output stage...and then even open source it -> deep inside I think it is the hardware which is complex. Software only become complex, when has tons of bandages and solutions to overcome hardware flaws not limits, limits must be identified at the design stage.

Well, give it a try. I think you will find it is MUCH more complex than you think... But isn't everything like that? It looks easy from the outside, but when you actually do it, you find it is much more difficult than you first thought. And it's not bandaids either -- just the core software is very complex because of the number of possible states. There aren't any "bandaids" in our software to overcome hardware flaws or limitations -- it is usually easier to mod the hardware than the software....

Why do you think there aren't any "generic" hardware sensorless brushless controller chips? All the hardware chips out there require tuning to a particular motor, and they still don't work well --

And Infineon isn't releasing a new package -- it is the DirectFet package, licensed from IR. Mainly because IR is still behind in the MOSFET arena -- and IR doesn't really have enough fab capacity to handle a lot of new business anyway.

I mentioned it before about Castle having their own MOSFET. Most foundries will be more then glad to do it if you can place orders for a few million MOSFETs. You can also talk to IRF and let them know you will be making your own silicon and want to use their DirectFET casing. I know it might or will be difficult to do, but could be worth it.

Edit: I think Infineon already has their DirectFET, it's acalled CanPAK and they come in a M and S size.

- No need, RC market not taken seriously.

- Than it is not silicon, but process or both, wierd nice package old technology?!. Even if it is licensed, still require break-in and tuning. It is new technology for the fab.