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Buzzsaw46 10.03.2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by suicideneil (Post 218458)
Bit low for me, I'll hold out for something in 1800-1900kv flavour. Im curious though, all other things being equal, how much more 'power' (torque I guess) would a 4 pole motor generate compared to a 2 pole? Maybe I could just gear up a slower motor, but then I'd worry about my batts maybe.. gah.

Yep, till the HV MM shows up:whistle:

suicideneil 10.03.2008 05:38 PM

Wire my batts in series instead of parallel, but I'd need something in the ~1000kv range then, rather than 1600kv. Too many possibilites...

What's_nitro? 10.03.2008 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 218462)
The 4 pole will basically in theory make 2 time the torque and you can gear up the lower Kv with 4S lipos.

Not quite 2 times more. It should have the same gross torque per phase but the RMS torque output will be higher because there are 2 times more pulses per revolution.

MetalMan 10.04.2008 12:41 AM

I just received a 36-60 1600 from Mike today. This will be going into a Jammin' X1-CRT with X1-CR center diff and Mike's CR motor mount. The original plan was to run 6s Lipo geared 12/46, but Mike's mount doesn't allow anything smaller than a 14t pinion to mesh. That means I'll be running 14/46 and 5s Lipo instead. I hope this motor works out!

sleebus.jones 10.06.2008 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 218449)
First prototypes will be 1600Kv.

Mmmmmm. That should go just perfect with my setups. I'm thinking that will be pretty awesome in my hyper 7. Looks like another item I'll have to pre-order. :oh:

jacko 10.08.2008 03:27 PM

I'm running a e-revo using fan cooled MM w/ cc bec & two 2s2p 8k SPC Lipos & a single KD 700HO motor on Maximizer beadlocks and Badlands tires. I'm thinking of adding the Medusa 60mm 2000Kv motor and plan to achieve 40-45mph. Is this a good idea or should i use the lower 60mm 1600kv motor instead? Gearing recommendations are welcome if anyone has done this on their e-revo. MMM is not an option right now btw.

suicideneil 10.09.2008 05:48 PM

The 2000kv option would be best suited for 4s lipo, though I would wait for the 70mm motors to arrive (end of the month), might be pushing it a little bit trying to achieve anything over about 40mph consistantly in an MT with a 60mm long motor.

MetalMan 10.10.2008 02:50 PM

So this Medusa 36-60 1600 isn't too bad. Put it through its paces last night at the local 1/10 indoor track in my Jammin' X1-CRT geared at 14/46 with 4s Lipo and Holeshot MTRs, through a MM with external caps and CCBEC. Temps after maybe 10mins were under 145 deg. F on both the MM (no fan) and motor, and the battery was maybe 100 deg. I could have ran it longer, but the track was going to close soon and I wanted some track time with my 1/8 buggy.

JaySki 10.10.2008 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jacko (Post 220581)
I'm running a e-revo using fan cooled MM w/ cc bec & two 2s2p 8k SPC Lipos & a single KD 700HO motor on Maximizer beadlocks and Badlands tires. I'm thinking of adding the Medusa 60mm 2000Kv motor and plan to achieve 40-45mph. Is this a good idea or should i use the lower 60mm 1600kv motor instead? Gearing recommendations are welcome if anyone has done this on their e-revo. MMM is not an option right now btw.

I am running 20/56 ( I think) and don't have any issues with temps, but, speed is about 37mph.

SilveradoHD 10.10.2008 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by suicideneil (Post 220943)
The 2000kv option would be best suited for 4s lipo, though I would wait for the 70mm motors to arrive (end of the month), might be pushing it a little bit trying to achieve anything over about 40mph consistantly in an MT with a 60mm long motor.

Would the 2000kv 60mm Medusa run fine on a 5s in an 8th scale buggy conversion. I just ordered one along with a 5s with 16t and 13t pinions. This should be well under the 60,000 rpm limit. Should I have gone with a 1600kv or a 4s isntead?

spaz163 10.10.2008 03:29 PM

I am running a 36-60-2000 in my Ofna MBX conversion on 4s and it runs nice and cool, never got above 150. I think you should be fine on 5s, just gear down some.

portyansky 10.10.2008 10:03 PM

im happy everyone is happy with the Medusa 60-2000, i should have mine next Friday, along with my tekno revo conv, 4s 5ah, mmm, hyperion.
Any recommendation on gearing for my conv?

jacko 10.13.2008 11:01 AM

JaySki, you running the 60-2000 on the setup below with the same chassis?

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Originally Posted by JaySki (Post 221269)
I am running 20/56 ( I think) and don't have any issues with temps, but, speed is about 37mph.


JaySki 10.13.2008 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jacko (Post 222084)
JaySki, you running the 60-2000 on the setup below with the same chassis?

Yes.. and it was actually geared at 20/58. thought it was 56.
I just swapped in the NEU 1515 1Y and toasted another V2.. So I am done until the V3s come out.

jacko 10.13.2008 11:26 AM

Sorry to hear that JaySki. I'll wait for the new medusa 70mm cans when they come out. Gotta sell 2 of my relatively new chargers to finance the new motor :)

JaySki 10.13.2008 11:48 AM

The 60-2000 ran great. I just wanted to try the Eagletree with the NEU1515 1Y, so I swapped them out.

Caseit 10.14.2008 12:12 AM

Well I just checked Medusa's website and they are starting pre-orders of the 36 x 70mm and 80mm motors. I was going to get the 70mm for an e-revo but do you think the 80mm would fit? I know the 70mm would push the e-revo just fine but if I bought an 80mm and got a little lower kv would it run cooler and still have about the same acceleration? I'm not looking for blistering speeds, 45 mph would be plenty but I don't want to have to be worried about anything getting too hot. I plan on running Zippy-R 3s 4800mah 25c batteries with the MMM if v3 fixes the problems.

jacko 10.14.2008 12:29 AM

nice... I'm placing a pre-order this very moment for the 2000Kv 70mm motor.

Neil: any recommendations on gearing for the e-revo w/ MM & BEC on 4S lipos?

MetalMan 10.14.2008 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Caseit (Post 222301)
Well I just checked Medusa's website and they are starting pre-orders of the 36 x 70mm and 80mm motors.

Thanks for posting that! Had no idea they were going to make any 80mm motors... I just preordered a 36-80-1100 V2 for my 9s1p A123 Savage :yipi:. Came out to $151, let's hope it's worth it!

jnev 10.14.2008 01:09 AM

Am I correct in assuming that the Medusa 36-80 motors are approximately equivalent in power to a Neu 1521, and the 36-70 to a 1515 motor?

MetalMan 10.14.2008 01:39 AM

1512 = 61mm long, 1515 = 68.6mm long, 1521 = 83.8mm long

Neus are a larger diameter, and thus can put out more torque. As a quick guess the Medusas probably put out just a slight bit less than the Neus of similar size.

jacko 10.14.2008 02:08 AM

Just finished putting in the order for the 2000kv 70mm motor :) i wonder when they'll send it out. :D

portyansky 10.14.2008 10:35 AM

i knew i should have waited.

lincpimp 10.14.2008 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MetalMan (Post 222318)
Thanks for posting that! Had no idea they were going to make any 80mm motors... I just preordered a 36-80-1100 V2 for my 9s1p A123 Savage :yipi:. Came out to $151, let's hope it's worth it!

I do like the look of that motor for 10s lipo... Hmmm, maybe I should get one for the flm savage?

BrianG 10.14.2008 10:54 AM

And the power ratings of the 70/80mm motors are more on par with what I would want for larger vehicles (8th scale); 70mm for a buggy and 80mm for a truggy/MT.

drkdgglr 10.14.2008 11:10 AM

I have read only good things about medusa 60mm motors in revo's and buggy/ truggies.
I know larger can motors will have more torque, but if the 60mm motors seem to be doing well, what would the benefit be of larger cans?

I am currently building a revo which will be running 10s and a 1000-1100kv motor and a muggy on 6s which will be running 1600kv. Both cars will be geared for 40mph. Which size can would suit each car best? I was thinking 36-60-1100 for the revo and 36-70-1600 for the muggy?

MetalMan 10.14.2008 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by drkdgglr (Post 222391)
I have read only good things about medusa 60mm motors in revo's and buggy/ truggies.
I know larger can motors will have more torque, but if the 60mm motors seem to be doing well, what would the benefit be of larger cans?

I am currently building a revo which will be running 10s and a 1000-1100kv motor and a muggy on 6s which will be running 1600kv. Both cars will be geared for 40mph. Which size can would suit each car best? I was thinking 36-60-1100 for the revo and 36-70-1600 for the muggy?

Larger cans can handle more current without getting as hot due to more surface area to dissipate heat.

If it were my choice to make, I'd go 70mm in both the Revo and Muggy.

portyansky 10.14.2008 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by drkdgglr (Post 222391)
I have read only good things about medusa 60mm motors in revo's and buggy/ truggies.
I know larger can motors will have more torque, but if the 60mm motors seem to be doing well, what would the benefit be of larger cans?

I am currently building a revo which will be running 10s and a 1000-1100kv motor and a muggy on 6s which will be running 1600kv. Both cars will be geared for 40mph. Which size can would suit each car best? I was thinking 36-60-1100 for the revo and 36-70-1600 for the muggy?

IMO. It would run cooler and more efficiently b/c it would take less energy/power to get the wheels moving literally. And you should be able to increase your run times since the motor will be more efficient.
I myself will be getting the 60-2000 (for my revo conv.) this Friday, and reading from what others have posted, I shouldnt have any issues. I may get the 70 later on if it proves to be that much of a difference.

BrianG 10.14.2008 11:37 AM

Yeah, and it depends on gearing, and what people consider acceptable temperatures. Some people think 150*F+ is ok, but I like temps closer to 130*F max...

suicideneil 10.14.2008 12:01 PM

So 358*F is too hot? Blast those Hobbycity motors...

Im putting in a pre-order for a 36-70 2200kv, but with Mike since I have a gift voucher to spend.

drkdgglr 10.14.2008 12:03 PM

Ok, so I can use a 1600kv medusa with 6s and gear for 40mph. Theoretically I can reach these speeds with all three size cans 60,70 and 80mm. I now understand the larger cans will run cooler/ more efficiently. But I don't want the truck to wheelie just by looking at the trigger. Wouldn't that be a problem with a larger can motor?

suicideneil 10.14.2008 12:22 PM

Hmm, valid arguement. The larger cans will generate more torque and therefore wheelies, but you can do cool things will esc programming to limit punch, and also alter the throttle curve so that the motor spools up a little slower, there by meanig it wont back flip from a standing start. 1600kv & 6s is a nice setup for longer runtimes and cooler temps :yes:

jacko 10.14.2008 02:22 PM

If it's being run by a MMM ESC, you could always set the punch control or the throttle curve to prevent wheelies from happening and get the benefits of a cooler running motor.

Edit: Woops. Neil just answered it hehe

drkdgglr 10.14.2008 02:30 PM

well the revo is going to run 10s, so no mmm in there... but a 12s130amp esc

ffactory666 10.14.2008 07:16 PM

Wow 80mm versions . I am very happy with my 60 1600kv on 5s in my X2 CRT , would the 80mm 1100kv be the best option for a speed run car as i am probably looking at a 10s set up .

lutach 10.14.2008 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ffactory666 (Post 222520)
Wow 80mm versions . I am very happy with my 60 1600kv on 5s in my X2 CRT , would the 80mm 1100kv be the best option for a speed run car as i am probably looking at a 10s set up .

It would be awesome for a very efficient set up for sure. The 1600Kv version will be better suited for 10S speed runs.

ffactory666 10.14.2008 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 222522)
It would be awesome for a very efficient set up for sure. The 1600Kv version will be better suited for 10S speed runs.

Hey Luci , i am undecided on a 10s set up or trying my hand at the 2s record .Funny enough i just posted on your esc thread about the 200amp esc for this reason .

If i go 10s i'll look at the 80 1600kv , thanks .

killermmn 10.14.2008 07:39 PM

same thing kv on 80mm!!
more torque is good!!!

Raze ST Truggy 10.14.2008 07:57 PM

Just put in a preorder for the 80mm 2000kv motor. It's either going into my revo or a e-raze st truggy conversion.

-Brian

lutach 10.14.2008 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ffactory666 (Post 222525)
Hey Luci , i am undecided on a 10s set up or trying my hand at the 2s record .Funny enough i just posted on your esc thread about the 200amp esc for this reason .

If i go 10s i'll look at the 80 1600kv , thanks .

All I know is you better make your vehicle bullit proof to handle all the power a 10S speed set up will put out. I ran my BPP Truggy with 10S lipos and it was strong enough to mess all my diff internal gears.

Hey, a 2S lipos speed car is always welcomed as I'm feeling kind of lonely now that Nic didn't run his 2S car :lol:.


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