6.5mm is fine... The avg amp draw is very reasonable...

8mm bullets should be available very shortly; MAP will be approximately $7.60 for 3 male and 3 female. Arct1k is right, 6.5mm will handle the current just fine. The biggest challenge is getting the 8 gauge battery wire soldered to the 6.5mm bullets; it's quite a tight fit and some shaving is generally required.

Thomas Porfert
Tech Support
Castle Creations

I was just wondering. I know Patrick said that you wont be able to use the MMMXL HV on 12S with motor brakes but what about if the MMMXL HV was to be used in a 1/8th on-road application with a really low KV motor? Possible or would I still be limited to 10S?????

I read on a board that you would have to modify the bullets to make the thick cable fit inside the 6.5mm bullets?
So for that matter a 8mm bullet would be easier to use, is this correct?


edit: Thomas Porfert answerd my question perfectly and I saw it only afterwards :)

Just a small update, my E-Baja is built and I test drove it tonight, and all I can say is WOW, great job Castle on this insane combo. My two 4s batteries haven't arrived yet due to USPS issues (I'm cursed) but I ran it in front of my apartment on 6s and I didn't even have enough room to get to full speed! :surprised: I have the brake set to 25% and its just about right for me, the brakes on this thing are crazy good.

You won't be disappointed my second one is being built right now...

Still waiting on my shipping confirmation for my first :). Hoping this week is finally the week but at this point I can't tell since the last few have all been hopeful.

I received my shipping info Friday and mine is due tomorrow at the end of the day (6-8pm) and should be installed in my buggy as soon as the connectors have cooled, mostly :yipi:

Good to hear, when did you order yours so I have a comparison. I ordered before Christmas and asked for overnight shipping to make absolutely sure it made it quickly, no shipping confirmation yet.

I ordered a week before Christmas, Friday the 17th IIRC.

Well, it's in hand :-) XL not only in name

[IMG]http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...5/d8bbdba2.jpg[/IMG]

^^^^ that picture makes me dizzy ^^^^^^^^^

:tongue:

Sorry Brian, it was upside down :-)
Fixed

much better.

And now we're waiting to see it installed!


:whistle:

quoted for truth!

pics, movies, let em come! ;)

Some questions, what lipo's did you use? specs and dimensions..
And what kind of connectors did you use?

thx!

I was hoping some one would get a picture of it beside a MMM. Its Xtra Large indeed. Still it will fit in my truck.

For reference:

Top to bottom: 2833, 2028 (Baja motor), 1717, 1515, 1415, 1406

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...IMG_0336-1.jpg

Sheesh, that 2833 is huge! You guys really need to get into the 1:1 segment!

PS: You have a PM.

Ohhh 2833! What are the plans for this motor? Gosh, I thought I had the biggest Castle Motor but now you go and one up me with that huge thing.

SERIOUSLY you guys should go from R/C and diversify into full sized propulsion!!!

I have right now a 98 passport with 30 lead acids in it and a burnt brushed motor Im dien to go brushless with!!!!

Electron power has powered trains for 60 years when do we the people get to enjoy millions of miles of operation like Santa fe???
I have so many projects and not have the 30 grand A/C propulsion wants for there set up ><

Probably not -- too many regulations. DC brushless really isn't practical above about 20 horsepower. The magnets get too big, too expensive, and too dangerous.

Plus the voltages get really dangerous as well.

AC propulsion uses AC induction motors in their setups. Much better suited to 100+ horsepower setups.

My conversion kit should be delivered tomorrow. I will have all weekend to play!

Thanks for the motor pic Patrick. What kind of output do you think the 1717 is good for?

How would it compare to the larger 15 series? Halfway between a 1521 and a 1527, or closewr to the 1527. I never did run a 1527, but I have plenty of experience with the 1521 and the 1717 seems to be as big or more of a jump past the 1521 as the 1521 is to a 1515. Hope that makes sense. Just trying to get a feel for what that 1717 can do.

Still would like to see a few more 17 series motors. A 1727 would be very nice...

The 1717 has more torque than the 1520, just because of the larger rotor. I would think it would fall about in the middle between a 1521 and 1527 (just with quick Windows Calculator math...)

We are redesigning the rotor and stator on the 1717 right now -- trying to juice a little more torque, and less torque ripple.

All I know is that the 1717 easily pushes my 8th scale truggy around.... and that's when it's pulling my 2 year old daughter in her wagon.

Sorry -- forgot to answer your first question!

The 1717 is good for about 3kW in bursts under 5 seconds, 1 minute power is about 900 watts.

We use 1717s on some of our burn-in rigs (for military controllers) with forced air cooling, and they run upwards of 8 hours at a time at 500W output.

It's all about the heat... keep it cool (which means operate around the good efficiency range), and you can put tons of power through it.

OK, thanks for the answers. I will have to see how the 1717 does in my 5th scale project. It easily overpowers my lst, so I have high hopes.

Wish I had run the 1527 now, can't imagine it being more powerful than the 1717...

will the 1717 repair kits use the old rotor or the newer one being designed now?

I've always thought it would be cool to replace a car alternator with a brushless motor. While the motor is running you could use it as an alternator to charge up the batteries. When the vehicle is accelerating the motor could kick in to help fuel economy and performance. It sounds like the technology is there to make this happen right now. So its the regulations then keeping this from happening? Sounds like 20hp with the torque these motors produce this would be a viable idea. Wouldnt this turn a fiesta or corolla into a hot rod?

12:45 am, it's installed and I'm tired :-)

I'll get a video up tomorrow after a few hours sleep and a whole day of work...

(I've never experienced the 8S spark before, I had to plug it in twice LOL)
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...5/5bc87c05.jpg

And yes, it all tucks nicely under the body :-)

Oh wow, nice work! Definitely is a tight fit in there but that thing will be a monster I'm sure! And that spark will surprise you first time you plug it in, but I think it's pretty harmless?

Oh yah, thought I should also mention that the Castle 8 gauge wire on the XL fits very nicely into the 6.5mm castle bullets. I did have to grind out a few thousandths from the connectors when I built my Turnigy packs though, and they also use 8 gauge wire, but apparently there's an allowable standard of variation within the "gauge" ;-)

I'll write up a review of first impressions today after a little runtime...

wow...that looks wicked! :yes:

This may have been asked before but any thoughts on adding data logging to an ESC about the size of the MMM? I currently use it in most of my 1/8 and 1/10 scales and was thinking about hopping to the XL in all of them because of the data logging but it's a beast. It is however going in my Baja this weekend :).

:surprised:

Thats big

What is the "estimated" KV rating ?

Want one :intello:

The sample I have on my desk right now is 200kV.

This is a 1 turn WYE, eight pole motor.

Will this sort of motor ever see retail?

Got my CC Baja full conversion kit installed tonight. Everything went well with the first "shake down" run at nearly 10:30 tonight in freezing cold. On a barely charged 8s lipo, it already had more power than my ESP 30.5 full mod engine. Plus it had easily 10 more mph or at least it seemed. I will verify top speed via Garmin GPS this weekend. I could already tell it had more grunt everywhere in the RPM range. Only ran for 5 minutes...it was just so cold and there was so much snow and soupy slush that I was avoiding. It was kind of cool to run my baja late at night right in front of my house and NOT piss off my neighbors. So far so good. More results to come this weekend. Thanks Castle for making this kit. My baja will see some miles now! 8s is fast...and I hear 12s is coming this year.

Of course!