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raptor50 03.31.2008 04:27 PM

Will this be ok on 5S 4800 w/Neu 1515 2.5 motor on revo?
 
I lookin for an esc since my MM doesnt fit the bill. Its seem good on my helis.. anyone know of this esc? thanks..

http://www.readyheli.com/Kontronik_J...C_p/jazz80.htm

83gt 03.31.2008 04:38 PM

Why won't the MM work ? With the new firmware it should do ok ? No ? At any rate, I think a lot of people have used that Jazz with good results.

J.

raptor50 03.31.2008 05:04 PM

MM wont engage when I plug in 5S batt. to it. when i plug in 3S then its ok. I heard, I could be wrong, but the new MM wont work w/ 5S or will burn up.. not really worth it for me. thanks.

bdebde 03.31.2008 05:36 PM

Are you using an external bec when trying the 5s?

raptor50 03.31.2008 05:47 PM

yup, im using the CC 10 amp bec. with the red wire from the ESC out. I had this set up b/4 w/ older MM but I sold it. Now i bought it again w/ New MM and it doesnt work.

jhautz 04.01.2008 01:27 AM

Try this... I was talking to Mike about this and he mentioned that it worked for him, but I dont have a new MM to try it with. Mine are all the older ones.

plug the MM into the usb and from the computer choose the option to resore or reset the factory settings. The unplug it from the usb and plug it in to the battery. It should work on 5s, but there is not LVC set yet. Once you have gotten it to turn on, shut it all down again and then plug it back into the usb and program it with the computer to have a 15v cut off voltage. then try it again. He said that it worked for him and his will run on 5s now. I have been wanting someone to try it, cuz if it works I will probably buy another MM, but I only want one if it will work on 5s.

If you can test this and see if it works I would apreciate it.

raptor50 04.01.2008 01:41 PM

sounds reasonable. I'll try it.. but, What does that do? twicks the programming mode?

crazyjr 04.01.2008 02:07 PM

Hope you got tranny and diff parts. Unless you upgrade, you'll need them. That 2.5d will rip diffs out of the revo quick

lutach 04.01.2008 03:18 PM

Just wait for the MMM. I know Kontronik's products are great, but for less $$$ you will get what it seems a better controller with lots of features.

raptor50 04.01.2008 06:28 PM

MMM???? When is that coming out, like 2010? i heard about this like 2 yrs ago. I want to run my revo now, and couple of bucks is not worth waiting for 2 yr nor something that wont come out after all.. If the jazz works then i'll get it..



I had Nemesis 7xl motor prior to this w/ MM on 5S 4800 and it was freaken quick but did not damage anything.. maybe Neu, is a different animal..

crazyjr 04.01.2008 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by raptor50 (Post 159737)
MMM???? When is that coming out, like 2010? i heard about this like 2 yrs ago. I want to run my revo now, and couple of bucks is not worth waiting for 2 yr nor something that wont come out after all.. If the jazz works then i'll get it..



I had Nemesis 7xl motor prior to this w/ MM on 5S 4800 and it was freaken quick but did not damage anything.. maybe Neu, is a different animal..

I started with a MM/9xl combo, worked fine and no troubles. Went to a quark 125 with same 9xl, ripped the rear diff. Now have the new 1515/2.5d(1700kv) and same quark, so far i have the only busted pinion for Mikes 1/8 buggy revo conversion. Trust me, that motor is powerful. I didn't believe people on how strong it is, but the Neu is a whole new galaxy compared to a fegaio

lutach 04.01.2008 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raptor50 (Post 159737)
MMM???? When is that coming out, like 2010? i heard about this like 2 yrs ago. I want to run my revo now, and couple of bucks is not worth waiting for 2 yr nor something that wont come out after all.. If the jazz works then i'll get it..



I had Nemesis 7xl motor prior to this w/ MM on 5S 4800 and it was freaken quick but did not damage anything.. maybe Neu, is a different animal..

Give the MMM a month or so.

xcntrk 04.01.2008 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jhautz (Post 159488)
Try this... I was talking to Mike about this and he mentioned that it worked for him, but I dont have a new MM to try it with. Mine are all the older ones.

plug the MM into the usb and from the computer choose the option to resore or reset the factory settings. The unplug it from the usb and plug it in to the battery. It should work on 5s, but there is not LVC set yet. Once you have gotten it to turn on, shut it all down again and then plug it back into the usb and program it with the computer to have a 15v cut off voltage. then try it again. He said that it worked for him and his will run on 5s now. I have been wanting someone to try it, cuz if it works I will probably buy another MM, but I only want one if it will work on 5s.

If you can test this and see if it works I would apreciate it.

Doesn’t the latest castle-link software only allow a max of 12v for cutoff (4s 14.8v)? I don’t see in the menu where you’d specify a 15v cutoff. Maybe if you totally disable the internal LVC and run an external one it may sync up. Easy way to try is to “disable” the LVC and plug in the 5s pack to see if it engages (obviously you cant run the 5s pack without LVC protection).

raptor50 04.01.2008 09:48 PM

I tried the USb trick and didnt work. MY steering works but im not sure that sign of anything, only my throttle does not..

Can I use that Jazz 80 w/o prob.???

kingiggy262 04.02.2008 12:28 AM

Yes you should be able to use the Jazz 80 without a problem on your setup. The Jazz controllers are really nice as I have one on my T-rex heli!

jhautz 04.02.2008 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by raptor50 (Post 159807)
I tried the USb trick and didnt work. MY steering works but im not sure that sign of anything, only my throttle does not..


Darn... I was hoping that it would work. O well. It was worth a try.

azjc 04.02.2008 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcntrk (Post 159777)
Doesn’t the latest castle-link software only allow a max of 12v for cutoff (4s 14.8v)? I don’t see in the menu where you’d specify a 15v cutoff. Maybe if you totally disable the internal LVC and run an external one it may sync up. Easy way to try is to “disable” the LVC and plug in the 5s pack to see if it engages (obviously you cant run the 5s pack without LVC protection).

the MM has a "custom" setting for the LVC, I have my 4 cell set @ 13.2v

jhautz 04.02.2008 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by azjc (Post 159964)
the MM has a "custom" setting for the LVC, I have my 4 cell set @ 13.2v


Yea custom setting is great. I set mine at 15V and run 5s on an older style MM

raptor50 04.04.2008 12:57 AM

My Jazz or Neu coggs big time after stop and go.. I had Nemesis motor 7xl w/ MM and that thing worked flawlessly. MM barely got hot and the motor was warm to the touch but not hot. MM and Nemesis was about 1/3 the cost of this Jazz and Neu combo.

I think I got the right motor, Neu 1515 2.5 but WHAT ESC? HELP ME!!!!!!!!

I spent about $900 bucks and nothing works. thanks..

lutach 04.04.2008 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raptor50 (Post 160416)
My Jazz or Neu coggs big time after stop and go.. I had Nemesis motor 7xl w/ MM and that thing worked flawlessly. MM barely got hot and the motor was warm to the touch but not hot. MM and Nemesis was about 1/3 the cost of this Jazz and Neu combo.

I think I got the right motor, Neu 1515 2.5 but WHAT ESC? HELP ME!!!!!!!!

I spent about $900 bucks and nothing works. thanks..

You are using the BEC right? Did you remove the RED wire from he controllers receiver plug? I had to do that with my Beat and Smile. I also had an issue like that with a BK 7018, but it went away after I disabled the BEC (Jumper on the BK).

MTBikerTim 04.04.2008 01:22 AM

Do I dare say buy an MMM in a few weeks? It's strange that the jaz neu combo cogs. What batteries are you using? I have no experience with the jaz but I am sure some of the guys here can help you get it working. I don't know if gearing could be an issue.

lutach 04.04.2008 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTBikerTim (Post 160424)
Do I dare say buy an MMM in a few weeks? It's strange that the jaz neu combo cogs. What batteries are you using? I have no experience with the jaz but I am sure some of the guys here can help you get it working. I don't know if gearing could be an issue.

Well, I mentioned the MMM, but the Jazz shouldn't cog. None of my Jazz, Beat or smile controllers cogged.

MTBikerTim 04.04.2008 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lutach (Post 160427)
Well, I mentioned the MMM, but the Jazz shouldn't cog. None of my Jazz, Beat or smile controllers cogged.

My MMM comment was a bit tongue in cheek. I didn't think the jazz should cog but I don't really have any experience so I can't say.

lutach 04.04.2008 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTBikerTim (Post 160434)
My MMM comment was a bit tongue in cheek. I didn't think the jazz should cog but I don't really have any experience so I can't say.

It is strange for me too to actaully read that a Jazz is cogging. I'm still learning about brushless as well.

Arct1k 04.04.2008 08:20 AM

Might be the motor - Oddly I was getting some cogging with a MM/Feigao 9XL but not get NONE with a MM/1515 2.5D... Go figure...

raptor50 04.05.2008 11:23 AM

When is MMM coming out? also, Is it coming w/ the motor? does anyon have a pic? thanks..

DrKnow65 04.10.2008 06:17 PM

raptor50, go check the CastleCreations threads, there is one called MMM sneak preview...

as for your cogging, do you have the option of changing the timing on it? if so you may need to get it up in the 25-30 degree range (or medium to high) to make it happy with the neu. Something about how slotted/ multi pole motors need higher timing.

then there is the ole' connector malfunction that will make any setup cog, and there is also the potential of it being a glitch that comes up at the highest amp moment (starting moving) you may want to try turning off the LVC for a moment to make sure your not just dropping the pack voltage too low with the higher wattage.

hope some of this might help :) hurts to drop 9 bills on a cogging setup :(


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