looks like novak has some new hv stuff
 

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...RCH=NOVAK+++hv

Motors that now come with the 5mm shaft (price is listed high but tower usually does that). Also they list an hv-pro combo but no info. Hopefully its a new esc and not just the old esc with the upgraded motors. I emailed novak to get more info. Also the 7.5turn is the one that interests me.

Anyways anyone try a novak hv motor on a mamba? How does it work?

I just sent a PM to NovakTwo. Hopefully he can come in here and help explain what exactly they are.

I sent an email to cs@novak and also asked steve wiess on rctech. Hopefully someone will be able to let us know. I really am hoping for a new esc since they are suppose to come out with one.

I am currently using a novak Hv 6.5r with a mm. It is in my ext chassis crt.5. I am still trying to get the startup to be stutter free. The motor seems to run cool, and the MM have no issues with it, other than somewhat rough startup. I am steeping up to better batteries, a neuenergy 3s 5000 25c lipo, as my old maxamps pack may have cause some issues.

I did the 5mm upgrade to my motor, which puts it at about 160 bucks. Too pricey for what it is. I should have bought a neu, like a 1509 or something like that.

If novak brings out a lower kv motor and a 5s compatible esc with all of the features of the mm it will be worth it. Otherwise I will look elsewhere...

well I got a response from Steve Weiss.

We are making some running changes on the HV Maxx ESC and motor. The motor is getting a beefier 5 mm output shaft to help it handle higher loads without fear of damage occuring to the shaft.

The ESC has updated software very similar to that of the GTB, so that your drive/brake parameters can be fine tuned to your liking.Steve Weiss


So It looks like the old hardware but with a software upgrade. Now I wonder if it has a lipo cut off.

The 7.5 motor sounds interesting, but if its just a slower version of the existing motors, it wont be any more powerful or allow for taller gearing really.

I remember Novaktwo saying a while back that they would introduce some slower motors, and update the hvmaxx esc first, before releasing their all new escs etc for 1/8scale.

Some of us have been telling Novak to make these changes since the day they released info about the HV. (lower kv, 5mm shaft) It took WAAAAAAYYY too long but looks like they have finally seen the light... or rather, got it beat into them.

Now I wonder how long it will take for them to do larger diameter and 4-6 poles????

And a new esc that will not overheat in 7 minutes with any kind of load.

Socrap, built for those with no clue. <--- still bitter about the inflated prices when I got into RC back in the day (not that they aren't still inflated, I just have a clue). I say let them become competitive or starve. Mabey if they go under I could race my castle stuff at an actual sponsored event... Lets see novak put out something like the MMM/Neu type combo for ~$300 that would totally change my opinion :)

I think we (GriffinRU, BrianG, DrKnow65 and maybe myself lol) should get together and just build some of the freakiest most funkadelic monstrosorous BL controller out there. I have a few ideas of a controller and a new capacitor set up. GriffinRU has already shown us what he can do and DrKnow65 and BrianG are some intelligent guys. I know there are others, but these 3 came up real fast :lol:. I don't understand why all of these companies don't experiment with new things, push electronics to the limits of technology.

Wow, grouped in with the likes of GriffenRU, BrianG, and Lutach. I'm flattered :oops: Thanks Lutach.

I'm sure we could pool the ideas and come up with something kick butt. We would of course need a sugar daddy (Linkpimp:whistle:) who could fund the projects :intello:

I think there are some ways to make more power without necessarily reinventing the wheel. Mabey an "Ideas" thread? I'm sure the Novak guys would never check what was in it :neutral:

Yes, you are in that group, but I'm only there because I posted :rofl:. I can't even come close to the things you guys have done (or will do). All I have is ideas in my head and now some have found it's way into paper and PC aka emachineshop (I can't use any of the other programs I have :lol:). The only problem I see is the software. I know one company that sells a ATMEGA MCU already programmed and it has a car mode. One other company has a couple dev. kits that allows you to work out all the bugs on the bench before it hit the streets and this company can also programm the MCU with all the nice things we want. If only this US based companies would listen to one of you guys.

From the price difference on the tower site, i assume that the only difference between the normal and the pro version is the 5mm shaft.

The problem with novak is that they seem not to be able to see past their own arrogance to actually make their products better. The higher kv motors, the sensored design, the lack of programmability of the HV ESC. Not to mention they will never admit a flaw in their products. Sometimes you have to get over it being your way and you were here longer and admit when there are better ways. If CC had tried to start up and put out the same products as novak, they would be out of business. I think people buy their stuff now just because it's novak.

I think you are off by MILES texassp; a few novak crew members are member here, and are ANYTHING BUT arrogant; in fact, they are willing to listen, and also willing to change; it's not that a sensored setup is perse less powerfull than a sensorless. that's rubbish. it's a mild setup for the mild setup customers. I have got a novak 6.5 here, and on 4S it is QUICK in my e-maxx and it stays ice-cold. it has plenty of speed and power to get allong in a race, i am possitive about that. (not in my hands, i drive like poop)

they also changed their shafts into 5mm shafts, and also got a lower KV motor standing by.

They have got a top-notch service, and don't throw people off by simple saying the reason why it broke down was because of a user error.

Equipment
 

Well I believe that Novak has proven itself to be quite competitive over the last couple of years. They are well used and supportive for the most part. The issue that I see is that for a large company to compete for its share of the pie it has to remain open to change and consisitantly upgrading its equipment. With some of the electronics about to be released by CC/Neu, Tekin, and whoever else Novak needs to pony up and make some improvements to its line that is not worthy in order to compete and stay in the game. From the looks of things they are hoping to ride this out on old technology, but things are about to get pretty crazy with the release of the MMM and R8X. We are all thursty for power and speed and whoever comes up with the best system is going to kill at the cash register this year. Maybe Novak is just keeping secret on what theyre plans are?? With money being so tight this year I do believe that CC is going to do ok.

It's not a secret Novak is planning on a 5/6S controller too.

According to Steve Weiss, its the 5mm shaft and a software upgrade. Now you will have more setting like the gtb but no built in lipo cut off. I also asked about the 6s esc they are suppose to be making but he didn't give any info. Just basically said they are always working on new projects.

That's exactly what they told me, "user error, our controllers just don't break down like that" when I had mine setup per their instructions down to the T and running well within spec. Then I got the controller back, put it in a different vehicle, running different batteries, and the same thing happened. I called to get help, they said it was now out of warranty (by only two weeks mind you because I waited a month for mine to be fixed) and I would have to pay to have them fix what they didn't fix the first time under warranty.

Sorry, but they burnt me and I have no desire to go back. I have since run the same setups on other controllers with no issues what so ever.

So, some may disagree with my opinion, but I came by it fairly.

If people like novak, and want to buy novak, that is fine with me and I would never personally insult someone for their decision. People buy things everyday I wouldn't and life goes on. This is all friendly from my end and an expression of my opinion only. All views are solely mine and not necessarily those of the ownership yadda yadda yadda. :rules: :mdr:

Its an old sytem, that needs updating, but not just with some slightly better software. I think the reason Novak havent done much with it is because they rely on the sensors to make it smooth- which works perfectly, but its still useful to be able play with brake strength and punch control etc. The motors need improving more than anything- a step up from titans is fine for many, but when you see vids of what a mere feigao can do on 4s, you suddenly feel somewhat hard done by.

I think that Novak needs to step up to a larger diameter rotor (14mm would be doable with the current motor design IIRC) and more than a 2 pole magnet so that the motors can produce the torque that a feigao or other larger diameter rotored motors produce. At the very least, more poles and a larger rotor will probably help efficiency a little too.

It'd be nice if they completely re-did the motors and ESC though.

My Hobby Wing controller does wonderful on 4S and has all the option for racing. I still have to make a video of my TC3 Truggy going. All I can is the the HW makes the HV4.5 act like another animal. If you want a Hobby Wing, just buy a Venum 120A controller.

The venom 120 is a car esc? I remember seeing a venom 120or 125 air esc a while back, but I guess that you are not talking about that? Any chance for a link?

This? http://www.venom-group.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=VEN%2D1339

Yes, that's the one. Hobby Wing also made the Orion race controllers: http://www.teamorion.com/Products/Vo...ace+Controller

ORI65006 Vortex Racing Sensor ESC 120A
ORI65007 Vortex Racing Sensor ESC 60A

No way, how did they manage to sneak those out without me noticing? Q. Are they really good for 100/120amps do you reckon- Im assuming they are the same more or less as lutach's esc...

They are the same controller as I have. It is a solid controller that I can say is good for the 120A. In my TC3 I used 2S and 3S lipos with my N80 and it is fast. With 4S in my TC3 Truggy, it is ballistic. The program box is awesome to use and you can change parameters fast. They are also the same as the Speed Passion, but I know so far the Venom is much cheaper and if you get it from Towerhobbies, you can use the discount codes. I'm having fun with the only Hobby Wing in the USA :lol:. I can't bring them in because of Hobby Wing's relationship with Speed Passion. In one of my posts in another thread, you can see what I asked Hobby Wing to do, but still no answer. They told me I need to only buy 2000 units a year and I told him I can buy more then that as I can cover Brasil as well.

Did you have to do anything to run it on 4s? Disable the internal bec, or any other mods? Also, what motor do you run on 4s? Is the tc3 truggy the rcp designs conversion?

I disabled the BEC. I did run the BEC with 3S and it did fine. I use the HV4.5 and I use it in sensored mode. The TC3 is not the RCP conversion, I bought it a long time ago and the person did a nice job on the conversion. Here are pictures of it before the HW controller, but with the HV4.5 in it. http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...49&postcount=6, http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...50&postcount=7 and http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...51&postcount=8.

Nice looking rc lutach. Was it hand made? I am guessing that you would rate the HW esc better than the novak. I may have to get one, as my mm in the crt.5 with the hv6.5 is not doing so well. Lots of stuttering from a standstill.

Ooh, interesting conversion. The venom price isnt too bad, but then again, it is the same as the MMM, only 4s instead of 6s- MMM please. Sensored 6s would be awesome though, if only Novak would give us some decent beefy motors...

We will see how well the mmm handles 6s. I just pre-ordered one from mike, and have a 10xl coming from another member here. Both are going in a hyper st truggy, and I will use the motor brakes, and a neuenergy 3900 6s lipo. Going to try to make the truggy as light and simple as possible.

The person that made the conversion did a very nice job. The shock towers seems to be the only custom made part and the arms are from Losi and Associated. I like the HW very much. HW won't be selling the 120A or 60A here in the US, but you can get the Venum which is the same.

When I started talking with HW they didn't have a car model planned. I asked them for 6S minimum and also a HV 12S controller, but this controller is for 1/10 scale. They are going to make a 6S controller for 1/8 scale, but I don't know much about it yet.

well they finally listed the info on there site.
http://www.teamnovak.com/products/br...5mm/index.html
the 7.5 is 3000kv

Imagine a 7.5 on 10Ah 14.4V.. it would run all day..

Tower now has must of their 1/8 scale conversion kits due early may