100a MT ESC On Ebay
 

Found this and doubt it would work well with a 1/8 mt- http://cgi.ebay.com/100A-ESC-Brushle...QQcmdZViewItem

Looks interesting but doesnt appeal to me.

You can try it out for all of us. I found the manufacturer and they also make a 10S controller, but I would like to see some one test the car controller first to see how well they do before I ask them for a few 10S controllers.

I really dont want it. Just thought I'd show you guys...

Interesting.
 

Considering his prices has has a few items that look interseting. His motors, controllers, and Lipos are comparable to others that many of us use, at 1/3 the price we are paying the big name places. It would be interesting to here if anyone has tried these out and how well they hold up in our 1/8 and 1/10 vehicles.

That's what I'm waiting for. Specially when the guy that makes them told me the HV ones can have the car software loaded on them and they use that nice little program box. Here is what the company offers:

6S controllers
100A
120A
150A

10S controllers
80A
100A
120A

Now the only problem is that a lot of the places tell me they can do a car model of what they offer, but as soon as I ask them to send me one to try out they back off and say it can't be done. I sent the guy an e-mail asking a few questions like:

1. Will the controllers perform good with 4 and 6 pole slotted motors like a Neu Motor or a Mega Motor?
2. Will the controllers include a program box?
3. Will the controllers have a heat sink and fan?
4. What is the warranty on the controllers if they fail?

Lets see what he comes back with.

Ooh... A 10s controller with (relatively) high amperage... I'm sure I could sink my teeth into a few of those. Lutach, does the manufacturer have a web address?

Info
 

Well the controller in that link has a heatsink and fan attached to it in the photo. We can only assume that the photo is relevent to the item being sold. The ebay add also shows that a program card is included in the sale as per the remark of (included in package) comment. The specs also say 2S to 5S Lipos. With that price I am willing to bet that it is made in China, and as far as a warrenty is concerned enforcing it would be difficult at best. Like the saying goes you get what you pay for. What can anyone expect for $100, when we know that a comparable controller sells for what? $250 to $400. I would think that it will probably do ok, but the life expectancy is probably not that great.

I've found some more like these, looks kind've like a Warrior ESC http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/200A-Brushless...QQcmdZViewItem

Did You See.
 

Did you see the price on that thing? That is like $25 plus shipping for a 200 amp controller. Like I said they are selling directly from China. He has a few items of interest, but the prices are like something out of a Dollar store. Too good to be true I think. Anyone feeling lucky enough to jump on that and Buy one????

does any one think that the lipo chargers that he has are any good

I don't really think $50 for a 4s capable plane controller is all that great of a buy. The $100 car controller I think would be worth a try if it was about $80, just because I think it would be warranty nightmare. Getting up that high I think I would just go with a used good controller, or spend the extra cash for mmm.

Think
 

We can all think of reasons to buy, or not to buy, but until there are some real stats/specs testing to compare it to other controllers it's all speculation. What is being asked is if anyone either has or will try one out. I am sure that there are some that would love the chance to test it out and even disect it to see what it is made of. Maybe one of the "Big Dogs" (like BrianG, or lutach) on here can contact this guy and request one for testing and comparison for marketing purposes within our R/C community?

I have and I'm waiting for the guy to back up his statement if he can make the 6S and 10S into a car version. I was going to get the 100A from him, but it's only good for 5S and I have already tried a 5S not similar in design, but the same specs and uses the same program box. I hate not knowing how to speak Chinese. I was talking with him in MSN messanger last night and he said he would get back to me, but nothing.

If that idea comes through then I'd definately be interested. LMK...:yes:

I'll be more interested in the 10S one though. If he answers me, I'll get a 10S and 6S to see how it'll perform with various motors.

Did he tell you how much it'd be around for a 10s one if he does end up making them?

No. He just said it could be done. I'll have to wait for his answer.

Here is the latest info. In about a month the controllers should be ready. I will contact the place again in a month to see if they are available.

Looking forward to the update lutach.

I'm also looking forward to one too :lol:. I've had companies say one thing now and when I'm ready to place an order change their minds. I'll keep everyone posted.

Greatful
 

Hey Lutach we are greatful for your persistance in this quest. Your experiences and information help us to learn as well. So thank you for never giving up on your quest for high powered speed. Things have really rampped up over the last two years in this hobby and the future is looking brighter every day.

Sincerely Jerry

Ya, IDK about you guys but I think nitro is fading fast.

maybe.
 

Nitro will never go away. There are just too many hardcore mechanics who love messing with the fuels and tuning engines. BL electric is here to stay for sure and with people like lutach who are hell bent on creating the ultimate HV vehicle that will just blow your mind, we will see miracles in the making. Technological breakthroughs that will amaze all of us. I have been watching R/C for a long time and I just got started a few years ago, but I will be here until I am no longer able to do what I enjoy. So hang on to your hats and lets party. We can all watch the nitro guys looking at us like what the F@($# is that blowing by my nitro? HA :rofl:HA :rofl:HA :rofl:HA:rofl:

Nitro won't last due to pollution laws constantly changing.

I was under the impression that 2 stroke motorbikes have been banned from racing in California because of some pollution law.

I know some guy's here in Aust that were racing 2 stroke motorcross & were told to lose them & go for fourstrokers. One guy kept racing till they came down hard on him for using it then pulled out of racing all together.

Correct me if I'm wrong about California though.

A nitro engine is a very high polluter.

Doubt It.
 

If you took all of the exhaust from every R/C vehicle on the planet I doubt that it would amount to much more than one or two real size vehicles in polution. Yes we all have to do our part to protect this planet, but R/C is such a minuet part of the problem. Tree huggers!!! If they DO NOT have the tree's premission, is that considered RAPE. :rofl::rofl::rofl: Sorry I just had to ask. Seriously do you really think that we would see the end of fosil fuels in our lifetime. No way... Maybe after the next few generations, possibley. The oil barrons are too greedy right now to let that happen, and they have all of the money and the oil to keep it going.

There are a lot of guys running HV right now and I have learned a lot from them. I like to show people that HV set up is not only for high speed runs. It's just an added bonus for speed runs to have HV as more power can be acheived. Aveox had it right when they offered 3 ESC for us. I have most of them and the one that made me a fan of HV is the H160. It was much better then the early versions. When I get all this HV controllers here, I will show how they run in my bashing set up with 10S. I'm geared for around 40mph and I'll have a good comparison for my 6S set up with the same gearing. With 10S I'll only be switching the motor and I'll go with the 1521/1.5Y and with 6S I use the 1521/1Y. It should make things a little fair since I'm using the same size motors, but the 1521/1.5Y will be spinning a bit faster on 10S. I'm trying my best to get my controllers out soon and I have also asked Castle and Tekin for one as well.

Alright. Here is the answer I received from them:

"Dear Sir

Now I start to answer your questions as below:

1. Will you be able to program the following with the car software: 80A10S, 100A10S, 120A10S, 100A6S, 120A6S and 150A6S?

answer: We can change the program for the car software, and we are sure it will be work very well.

2. Will the controllers perform good with 4 and 6 pole slotted motors like a Neu Motor or a Mega Motor?

answer: I am not sure our products wether support the slotted motors at present,as I don't test the slotted motors,but I think we can solve the problem. We will send a sample for you a month later, if the sample cannot work with the slotted motor, you can send the motor to us, we will solve the problem.

3. Will the controllers include a program box?

answer: Yes.

4. Will the controllers have a heat sink and fan?

answer: Yes.

5. What is the warranty on the controllers if they fail?

answer: We have the warranty for the controllers."

Now only time will tell how the controllers will do.

Deal
 

Unfortunately you are dealing with a source which is half way around the world and there is somewhat of a language barrier. It is what it is. For the most part anything to do with them is going to be kind of a shot in the dark. They do sound as if they want to be helpful because customer service will make or break you. The key is opening the door and testing their controllers and then we can go from there. It will either work out or it will fall apart and we will move on to the next contestent. Lutach Your efforts are very much appreciated for leading the way on some of these ventures. Thanks for your support and enthusiasam. Way to go man.

Yes, that's why I'm not going to say much until the test unit arrives. As you can see from the e-mail answer I got, he's more then willing to help and he's the only one so far that really wants to do this. I would love to go to Asia and visit all the factories I want to visit, but I can't. I'm sure it would make things very easy. I hope the 6S and 10S controllers works.

He would only be a reseller of the product, not the manufacturer.

The manufacturing companies are virtually invisible to the world outside of China, you can generally only go through a reseller.

Unless you know someone.

Think about it for a min, if the resellers are selling stuff for cheap, how much are they getting it for??

How do I know? That's what I do.

I was supposed to be on my way to China (for the first time) on the 15th May, but, being sick, I wasn't allowed to fly.

For example, http://www.desire-battery.com/ these people are resellers of batteries.

This company actually makes the controllers. They are not resellers, you can trust me on this one as I went through almost all the resellers of ESC trying to see if they can make a HV controller. I was also told that Desire Battery is a manufacture and I contacted them about custom sized lipos and they said they would be more than happy to do it. Now the resellers that I have contacted, can't do it. One example if Kong Power. One interesting thin about my job is that it lets me find the manufacturer. Another example is Hobbywing, they make ESC as well and if you look at the Speed Passion GT controllers you will see what I mean. Before they had no markings saying who made it, but now they come with Hobbywing written on the controllers casing.

Desire battery will print whatever you want on a battery, they'll brand it however you like. Don't believe them, because, they know if you go direct to the manufacturer they lose out. My friend here owns a hobby shop & even he deals with Desire & they make him whatever he asks for & then brands it as he wants.

I don't do the research for our company, I just tell the guy's to investigate & they come back with the answers.

They are on the phone to China & Taiwan at least 10-15 times a day & they get really frustrated speaking to them in chinese.

So, how do you manage only via email or do you call as well?

Amax, is another. They will sell you virtually any knock off RC vehicle, then name it & brand it however you like.

You mean this hobby wing? http://www.hobby-wing.com/info.html Hold it, I found the other one, Hobbywing Technologies. Gimme a min.

You only have to look at the product listing on their site to know they're a reseller. They don't make all the stuff they list.

Bottom Line
 

Hey guys we are all in the same game here. If Mozzy is planning a trip to China in the near future maybe he can do a little work in this area to get some test products our way. I like the look of those extreme power Lipos at 22C. I could not see a price anywhere, but I do wonder what those things cost for guys like us. The amp ratings are off the charts from what we are getting here now. 2008 is turning out to be a pretty good year.

Indeed they are & yes, I'll be looking at that stuff too for my mate with the hobby shop.

It won't be till after I recover from my operation though. Hopefully, just after July.

I've already got the guy's looking at lipo's, cause, I want them cheap too.

Here's another reason why I don't think they are the factory.

ADDRESS: Room 1109, WenAn Center, WenJin Plaza, TianBei 1st Road, LuoHu District, ShenZhen, P.R.China.

ShenZhen is the correct area, but, not in a plaza.

This place, is one of the companies directors, he owns another company as well & his wheel factory is next the factory that makes knockoff Baja's.
http://www.pdwgroup.com/australia/ma...standards.html The pic of his factory in China should be on this link.

I own a distribution company. I sell electronic components and have been doing it for a while now. Most of my clients and suppliers are from Asia. I know the resellers and manufacturers. Desire-Battery can brand, but I asked them to make custom sized cells and they can do it. Not just branding. I have also contacted a few other lipo manufacturers as well. Amax is a reseller and I know most of the factories in China that do produce the R/Cs they sell. The Hobbywing I mentioned is www.hobbywing.com and they make ESC. I do most of my work via e-mail as I know the right e-mails to contact them at and they feel better doing things through e-mail as they can use a translator. I've called many times and most of the time I found out they don't speak English. So e-mail is the best if you have the right address. I also deal with the owners of the companies I contact instead of an employee.

Do you know how you can really tell if a company is not a manufacturer. Here is a little secrete. If they list an address with a FLAT in it then you know that they are not a factory.

Yeah, I noticed that alot.

We could help each other alot here. When I finally get to go, I can go where ever to check things out.

I have to be sneaky though, cause, I'd get shot if I was looking for stuff for my hobbyshop friend & you. However, I'm willing to take the chance.

Not that I care, they can't GPS me everywhere I go.

I have to sleep, the nurse comes everyday to give me injections & I have to be awake for it otherwise she can't get in!!

Sounds good. There are a lot of places that I wanted to check out. Some of my friends that went to China a few years back had to actually get a container to ship the stuff they bought from there. They couldn't stop buying due the the prices :lol:.

China
 

I was there three years ago in Bejeing for vacation. The retail/wholesale business there is the biggest that I have ever seen. The markets are huge and the prices are very hard to believe when you are used to USA prices, but if you are not a reseller/dealier of some kind a lot of people will not deal with you. That would be cool with you two working together to achieve the goal of 'HIGH VOLTAGE" R/C power above the norm. It sounds like a good mix. The promise of opportunity is just around the corner, and we never know where it will show it's face. Good luck with that guys.

Thanks, everything is worth a try at some stage.

I think I better learn Cantonese & Mandarin! Thankfully I have two friends in Hong Kong & Macau that could teach me. Both girls too......giddyup!! :lol: