New MGM controllers (up to 15s!)
 

Don't know if anyone posted these yet. (thanks for the link jordan...)

Nice - anyone know the difference between the E and Z series?

For a $550USD with today's Euro conversion rate (www.xe.com - great site for foreign exchange rates) that is a serious purchase!

Gonna have to wait for christmas bonus time to even think about that $$$ for an esc.

I had heard they were workong on new models- thanks for the link.

$550 is a lot of mulla, but then again, I paid about $500 for my hvmaxx system ~3 years ago.... heck, I paid $400 for a tamiya madbull and 27mhx radio system.

You guys over the pond are spolied for prices on stuff sometimes, I swear! :wink:

Yeah, that's pretty hard on the wallet. I think I'd rather get two modded HV-110s and the pistix adaptor and use mech brakes instead.

E vs Z, I see there are different ratings between the two series, but I think it used to be that one version had a built in usb port thing for the optional programmer, and the other just used the rx lead adaptor, or something like that.

But Brian, what if mech brakes arent an option?... **funny thought** looking at my gmaxx, it is clear there is enough room behind the single speed tranny (spur facing front of truck) for some kind of brake mounting unit to be installed with a disc on the output cup of the rear driveshaft from the tranny. Assuming you could mount a small servo somewhere suitable, perhaps the Emaxx could be given mech brakes?...

Looks like the Z series adds the ability to use the "black box" for data recording similar to eagle tree. I think the prices (if mike gets them) will be a bit lower than the converted euro prices, as they were for the previous models.

I almost bought one a few months back. They were listed in the planes controller and I asked Grisa if he could do one for car and he said yes. The price and the problem I had with my other MGMs made me change my mind.

Never paid $550.00 for a MGM. I've buy 3 of them and two is died, fire!!!

It's my opinion......:wink:

How about just converting to a buggy centre diff and then using a buggy break setup...

Like Plettenberg's rig kinda- I've wanted a Cd for the Gmaxx chassis for ages, and Mike can custom build one too (seen some photos on the traxxas forum), but the main issue is you are forced to use a 44t spur, which isnt so bad, but even going up one tooth on pinion makes a big difference to final drive ratio, and there is hardly any room for manouver to go smaller, without using lots of MOD1 spurs and pinions, and those aint cheap. Im thinking about making my own X-braces that will allow a CD to be used, only with more room to use larger spurs and such. Fun project- will use my bent X-braces as the template once my replacements arrive.

Also looks like the new MGM's have adjustable voltage cut off per cell, ability to reduce reverse power, selectable 5v or 6v BEC, selectable PWM frequency, and even a motor reverse feature (you don't even have to swap wires for direction).

Wow, these are looking real good; MIKE are you getting some of these in stock?

Wow, kick ass MGM!

That big controller is over 6000W. Good god that 8 freaking hp.

Btw look at this all wire of the motor are in short circuit with the casing, last movie is hard to believe !

http://mgm-compro.com/index.php?cat=video

Nice safety feature as well
" On right side you can see a list of devices and their minimal version, which can be updated through Internet and our update service. If your device does not meet required minimal version of firmware, you can send us your device by standart way for firmware upgrade. After that, there will be no needs to send your device again! Any firmware changes we made you can follow immediately at home within few seconds!

Don't be worried that unstable Internet connection or a failure during firmware update can cause persistent damage to your device. Part of your device that is required for update is untouchable, so failed update can be repeated without any limits. There is no need to be afraid of updating your device frequently. "

I do plan to offer these new controllers - MGM sent me an Eseries 16025 already(but no black box). Placing the order this week - any special requests?

Hey, the Schulze new L, XL and XXL controllers are having the same features and greater qualities. Size isn't good, and price isn't good either, but still. I won't waste my money on the MGMs ever again unless they can make their controllers better and smoother.

What will the 15s versions cost (ballpark)? Will you be getting the ones with active cooling as well? Unlike some in the cooler climates I am not against having fans on my controllers. (and yes that is a polite jab at BrianG:wink:)

Well, I blocked that polite jab and countered with a not-so-polite kick to the genitals. :lol: :tongue:

Generally, voltages that high negate the need for such high currents because most people get high turn motors to go along with it. Unless of course, you want a couple of these for your personal 1:1 vehicle. :smile:

Well while you were at work I sneaked in your house and put fans on all of your ESC's! :whistle:

The problem in Houston, is that with temps going over 100 very often and the humidity, I like to have extra air flow to aid in the cooling process. Just call it an extra insurance policy.

Funny story but true: When I was working with Baldor on putting new motors and control systems on my CNC machines, forced cooling came up. I do not remember the exact figures but with forced cooling on the motor and added cooling to the controller we could get about 25-30% more power from the system. This was all covered under warranty as well. It wasn't necessary in the beginning of the project but was in consideration for some future builds. I wanted all parts on all machines to be as interchangeable as possible so I could keep less spares (save money) and their systems made it work.

Nope, just checked and they're all still sans fan. Maybe my vehicles rejected the fans when you left. :lol:

Stock cc_03 cables too?

This is great if you already have one of trueRCs 15s lipos.:intello:

Mike, i would like a:

28025-3 Z-series, with heatsinks, and preferbly a switch
CC_02 cable
CC_03 cable
USBCOM++

any idea on how much it would cost and how long it would take, would be great if you could get those in for me. Maybe you could ship them and my dogbones together :na: jk

I went through the checkout process on the mgm site and there is an option to have 'doubled power conductors' anyone know what this means, or if its worth it?

There is two wires for each motor phase as well as 2 + wires and 2 - wires. Not really needed unless you plan on sustained high current use, and also can be a bear to fit 2 wires into connectors.

bdebde to my rescue again :lol:

thanks for that mate, it was only a 5 euro option so i was guessing it wasn't something too major

yeah, mgm seem to be great, I will order 160 or 280 I think... No other waterproof option with reverse now.

I, too need a hv controller, but someone must convince me that the new MGMs are better than the last ones.

I'm looking for this answer too. But to be honest, those who have working systems will tel these are the best, those who burned a controller will say it's crap. And how many people use novaks, CC's and so on vs. how many use MGM in the US? I've tried so many ESC, and so many have been told to be very good and they were crap, that one has to be carefoul reading info. Untill now I didn't find any other ESC whith so few people who burned them and could show better one. With reverse, waterproof,up to more than 4S and over 150Ampers.

The MGM are not crap. I have owned both the MGM and MMM. For 6s I prefer the MMM because it is smoother, brakes better, and has better programming. However, without the availability of any other 12s and up car/truck controller, MGM is tops. Looks like the guys at MGM are paying attention to the market. I do also know Patrick is working on 8s and 12s controllers as well and they look good so far based on the specs.

The great thing is that this HV market is just warming up and great things or on the horizon for sure.

Just imagine if the US companies had just listened to a certain someone about the HV ESC. I even went as far a begging for the darn thing :lol:. MGM does want an arm and a leg for their ESCs though. If MGM can do a 15S ESC that works with cars, why isn't Castle doing one as well? Patrick said his company is big and is probably the biggest ESC manufacturer when you compare to the popular brands. Castle should just make the 20S a car ESC and have the ultimate ESC on the market. Just to think of an F1 running for an hour + with 20S 2200-3300mAh packs with the proper Kv motor (1521/3Y (525Kv), 1521/2.5Y (630Kv), 1527/2.5Y (500Kv) or 1527/2Y (625Kv), maybe even a custom wound 1515 or 1512) :mdr:.

Just Received One
 

I just received a MGM type E 28025 with 2fans, hydro version & switch.
Why did i choose MGM ?
The 1st MGM i bought in January had a software mistake in voltage
cutoff. They took it back and update it with new software + possibility
to personnaly update it at home, with nice compensations !!
Since march, the N°1 runs ideal: temp maximum 45°c !!!
Never had a broken fan after 42 packs ( 10 to 15 min ). I bought a 2nd one and they both go PERFECT.
A friend bought a MMM, already broken fan, software problems, weldings going bad and now no more life even with smaller motor in a buggy.
I prefer to go away from defaults.
I like the features of the new MGM version and i own a LOSI 8T that has just been converted for neutron :oops:
I made a mistake in the basic programming. Send a mail to MGM and
4 hours later, the answer was there: job done.
Tomorrow, i'll test it HARD:tongue:

How did you find the braking? Does it fade?

What about acceleration? Is it smooth enough to compare it with MMM?

The new specs seem very tempting, and I need an effecient HV esc.

I only want to run 8s with my 1950/10 in the MBX5T. That would be totally cool...

Can't wait to hear how it runs! I always recieve very prompt emails from MGM too. I had emailed back and forth about three times in less than 2 hours one time.


On my 16024 with the old software, the braking seemed inconsistent and reverse was unusable. It also started out with a launch, no slow starting. After the software update, the brakes were very consistent, not quite as strong as MMM, but that can be turned up. Reverse works perfect, in fact better for bashing than the MMM, you can actually brake in reverse without launching forward. The start up works as good as the MMM (maybe better), and it is nearly as smooth. I won't hesitate to get another MGM if my MMM does not hold up. In fact I may get a new one just for some of the new features. Get one, you won't be sorry!:yes:

This is version I think of, not sure if 280 or 160 should buy, waiting for quotation from local dealer to have warranty, please make some movie or at least write how it works on what setup! How much did it cost you? I've just read manual and I AM SO DISSAPOINTED! No current limiter available! That's shame...

Hey mike you already know I'm down! The 100.63 looks to be my baja control what do you think? Just tell me what to order mike and I'll get the payment sent.

Experience
 

Regarding the MGM, first of all, i NEVER got cogging. I even do not know
what it is.:yes:
The way you want the start is according to your fingers.
If it's smooth, then you will complain the low power.
If it's too hard, complain again on grip and car control.
My choice is a setup of the MGM esc with the start as hard as possible.
MGM talk of seconds and i use the lowest. On the other way, i use exponential on my transmitter.
By doing so, if soft start is needed, just use 1/3rd of the throttle.
If a heavy jump comes when being stop, pull the throttle to max
and it will fly ( It's the real way it goes ).
Driving only truggies, i need HARD breaking due to weight & inertia.
MGM is perfect and i'm nearly digging in the soil on hard braking position.:gasp:
I use the brake position 6. Still 3 more steps available !!!!
I never use reverse for competition, but i once tried it and it was OK.

Now, i'm waiting the good weather to test the new version. :diablo:

Tell me, since there is no current limiter, can you handle extra unneeded torque? Just less throttle helps or any other ideas?

Yes - that looks to be what the controller of choice will end up being for a 1/5 model. Although the HV-110 is still pretty cheap at almost 1/2 the cost but I don't know if it will handle 12S (50.4v on a full charge and esc rated for 50v).

I actually can't really see doing 14S as most pack configurations come up to 6S and then jump to 10S and I don't want to have to hook up more than 2 packs in series because charging/balancing them becomes a real time consuming hassle.

I'm gonna call mike monday and talk with him about this new control, I almost grabbed the 120.32 off the site the other day and I'm glad a waited cause this big mgm 100.63 looks perfect for my 15 pound baja on 9s. I did have a long talk with mike just a few days ago regarding the quality of the mgm controls and he told me quality wise they are the best...they may not be the cheapest or have the most options but they are hands down the best most reliable esc right now period. They are exactly what he runs. I really wish they were cheaper so more people could enjoy them cause I think alot of negetive feelings about them stem from the fact that they are to expensive for 95% of us.

What are their best rivals in your opinion? I've had Quark SSB Mk03, maany options, a lot of power, but.... smoked after one ride :( If not MGM, then what?

Bro, I'm not really sure...I go with the best and don't look back. I had 2 bk 9920's that never worked right...my novaks thermaled every time I turned around...the mmm is well like pulling the pin an a hand grenade and hoping it wont go off. I just don't know! Mike cronin is the smartest guy's I know and I've spent hours with him on the phone quizing him about all the controls out there and it always comes back to mgm for high power handling and ultimate reliability...not many people have em cause they are twice the price. If I were you I would pony up the 350.00 and get the 160.24 or wait till next summer on the mmmv3 or v4 or whatever.