Nitro sucks!!!!!!
 

So last week i put a bid in on a MBX5T on ebay cuz it was cheap and no reserve. i didnt not expect to win at all but apparently i did. so the thing got here a couple of days ago and i sat down to start working on it.....YUCK!!!
i mean, i am not afraid to get dirty. i spend hours in the garage and sometimes will come in covered in carbon fiber dust from head to foot but how anyone can even drive a nitro is beyond me. it totally ruins your ride. all i have had are 1/8 brushless conversions. i buy the kit new and the conversion new and have never even seen nitro. i did have nitro like 6 years ago but only drove it a couple of times. anyway, God bless the brushless industry. May we take the world by storm! And please bless the feeble minded nitro drivers that they may be converted to a faster, cleaner, truck with the power of BRUSHLESS!!! YEEEEEHAAAAWW!!


btw, i will post some before and after pics of the Mugen when i get done. Ryu is going to perform a Brushless Baptizm!! Full immersion! :lol:

I've picked up a few of those rides on the bay myself. They sure can be nastly.

Even when you get a clean one it seems its been sprayed with some sort of cleaning fluid and you have to tear the car down to clean this stuff out of all the nooks and crannies.

I'll be interested to see your before and after pics. Can we expect to see a carbon fiber chassis on this one when your done?

its at the mill as we speak. well, i have the truggy here but my carbon fiber and chassis drawing is at the machine shop. still waiting on the rc8t though. i will test that first and if the carbon survives torture then fab will begin on the Mugen. kinda have to wait on my machine guy. if it were my equipment they would be done. it will probably still be a week or two before i get to the Mugen for sure.

hey Star,
i just saw your RC8t thread. it looks good. that is a very unique layout. cool idea where you put your brakes. so do you run a hybrid brake setup?

I bought (traded) for a muggy all nitro, he gave me some stick drain router thing you're supposed to start the motor with. I took it all off in 5 minutes put it in a ziplock freezer bag handed it to him and said bye. Stinky dirty crap, I used a whole bolttle of simple green and 1 whole big can of wd40 to get this puppy clean. Stank machines

dissir

lol... it really does in ome ways...

cheap in the short run...
electric cheap in the long run...

yep, just a touch of motor brakes with rear mechs dialed in to my linking. (sorry linc I meant liking)
Like I mentioned before though, I always seem to get better lap times when I run with no brakes at all :lol:

Oh if I only had a dollar for every complaint about replacing clutch bells, shoes, and bearings...

Nice jayjay. see we can agree on most things. a little trash talk is good for the soul every now and again though, eh? thanks for having fun with it.

You sound like a little girl :whip::diablo:.

I have both nitro and brushless vehicles and I can tell you that both can get dirty. It just depends on how the owner takes care of their trucks.

so long as its RC and runs im down, but lets agree brushless electric doesnt need to be pull started 9 times while spewing oil/gas out of pours you didnt know leaked to get it started and burn your eyes

A bunch of nitro haters here. The reason I havent coverted earlier is I have allways heard bad things about the electric brushless trucks ecm burning up and lipo batts catching on fire and ruining your $500+ truck. With the new technologys I am sure people are going switch but its going to take a little time because the smell of burnt rc's and fried electronics is way worse then the smell of nitro.

lol fair enough, but those days are pretty much over. Far less common than your nitro flame outs or dead glow plugs. A solid electric will run for years, or 13 months I can attest to. Guarantee id smoke(less) you too. Anytime any place your chioce of vehicles. MT, Truggy, Buggy, 1/10th name it, if your "nitro wins" ill ...wear your hat

Well so far the fastest proven top speed for a revo is 66mph held by a nitro on the Traxxas forum. Hmm Let see wheres that hat with the propeller on it LOL. I can tell you what my full Supermaxx with an eb modded novarossi 528 xrp definatly is no slouch. I expect it to go ~65mph because I have heard a lower powered SM go 72mph. Cmon I still see you guys having problems with burning up ecms and frying $300 brushless motors you cant say electrics dont have their problems also, lets be honest. I plan on doing a conversion on one of my trucks and have been reading alot on this forum for about 2 weeks. Ive see all of the problems you guys are still having I just dont want to put down the cash and have any issues. You must realize nitro is proven and has been around a long time for rc's. If your going to bash it makes me want to ask that person if they drive a 1:1 gasoline or deisel powered vehicle and if so their a hypocrite for not driving a hybrid or electric car. Yes I know electrics are the future and nitros are on their way out. But until then nitros are still on top untill the brushless mills start winning more races.

haha

Come on, did you really expect to find a bunch of nitro lovers here? I spend tons of dough on Brushless and all things electric RC (ask my wife cuz she puts up with my affliction) so my opinion is most definetly biased. I love electric RC and will refuse to run nitro at ALL costs. The only reason I put up with nitro is that there has not been enough people to run an electric 8th scale class at my track but that is beginning to change.

You must be hanging out on newbie forums if all you have ever heard of is a bunch of flaming esc's and lipo's. I've been running brushles for 5 years in MTs' and 8th scales and have never smoked a Lipo. I was on the FMA Direct band wagon when the 20C Kokam scorpian & skyvolt packs came out and have been a Lipo user ever since. If someone invests $500+ in a RC, they should perform the due diligence needed to learn what they are doing before their investment goes up in flames.

Fact of the matter is electronics only stink when they fail... nitro's always stink.
It's not really a hard decision when you ask yourself, do I want a loud stinky messy truck or a quite one that has more power than I can handle. The only advantage nitro has is the ability of a quick pit in a 30 minute main but the end of these days is in sight.

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The sad thing is that these "Technologies" have been around for years, it has just taken the US market a long time to finally come around to supporting it. I feel like us old guys that spent the big $$$ in the begining kept the drive alive until it's finally caught on. I for one am a happy camper these days because the prices are comming down as well as a larger variety of choices becomming available.

It seems I hear of a new person at my local track working on converting their 8th scale to brushless every week and I expect to see this trend continue. Once the "big players" decide to produce a production desinged electic 8th scale we should see another boom in the growth of this class of racing. Some nay sayers tought that 8th scale elecric racing is a fad like the days of the crt.5 but this seems very short sited as it seems to me that the interest in the 8th scale class is not going to fade like the 12th scale class did and more nitro racers will convert from the dark side as well as 10th scale racers make a move up to the big leagues.
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I shot me a MB5 Prospec roller at ebay for a brushless conversion. Even after taking apart and cleaning it I can still find spots to get my hands dirty. Nasty!

There's someone here who has gotten an MT up and over 70mph. Can't remember the name. There just isn't much fun in a truck designed just for speed runs, unless it is specifically designed for it.

Think about it:

1: Nitros rpm range is around 30k. BL is about there and up to 60k depending on the motor.

2: Nitro power band is the typical curve; low power at low rpm and then increases until the peak, which is typically fairly near the upper end of the rpm range. BL torque is instant, which is where it counts for acceleration.

So, there are no power benefits to nitro. BL could be made for high speed, but most of us like to use them for racing or bashing, and a high speed truck doesn't do either of those well

Proof is in the pudding.
 

Hey Rivermaxx we are happy that you have come to play here at RCM, and that you are slowly making the change over to BL, but you are right there is no love lost here for nitro and that is not going to change even though some of the guys here run both.

As far as your comment on the BL Revo well things are just begining to heat up in that respect. We all know that the power of BL is much higher than nitro, especially on take off. A DC motor has twice the torque of a nitro setup, and a steady flow of power until the batteries reach their miliamp limits. That end is only getting better and better. As for the ESC's and other electronics burning up. A lot of those events are due to improper setups, Poor choice of equipment matching, and lack of knowledge for the most part. Even the manufacturers are still in the learning curve for BL so we are at their mercy. Still if you do your homework and make the right choices for your setup I would be willing to bet that you could give your old nitro counterparts a run for the money, and probably convince them to try BL due to your showing. It is still a matter of preference just like fans of Ford or Chevy or whatever. Who really cares anyway. Just have fun running what ever you can get your hands on and enjoy the hobby. Lifes too short. Good luck with that guys. Can't we all just get along???

Jzemaxx. His XTM went to 80.4mph.

Thread:
http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12163

Video:
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=ERY9_TLF86M&feature=user

expect that 66 mph to be beaten by a box stock e-revo brushless edition when they hit the shelf. throw a 6s pack in there and maybe a few extra teeth on the pinion and bye-bye 66mph record.

Hopeful
 

I know that I have plans on hitting 100mph with my SuperMaxx before the end of the year 2009. Anything is possible. I know the technology is already out there, and you just have to find the right setup to reach your goal. If you want to go fast all you have to do is research and make the right choices in your purchases. There is more to going fast then just slapping a vehicle together and pushing the trigger. The goal for most of us is just to go out and have fun. Sometimes that has been shaming the nitro guys into submission with the right BL setup. Don't be a hater...

I'm not a hater. I'm a lover :lol::lol::intello:.

You are right about life being too short. I'd rather spend my finite time here not putting up with obnoxious smoke, fumes, and noise. At times I feel I should wear a hasmat suit along with ear plugs while I'm around the nitros as by the end of most race days my eyes burn, my lungs hurt and my ears are ringing. Nitros are just not a healthy way of RC and I for one will be happy when I no longer have to race with them :party:

The truth is that I just don't get along with Nitros, thats why I don't run them.

I'm a lover too. I love it when the price of Nitromethane goes up and up :intello:

i was gonna say...66mph is nothing.. well, its fast but i have seen plenty of brushless setups do that. Kulangflow from here on the forum has a revo that i would be willing to bet does at least 55mph. and that is just his regular setup. thats not trying to be "fast" or anything. all he would have to do to break that 66mph is change his gearing. and yes, the new brushless revo coming out will definitely do. i guarantee within a couple of weeks there will be tons of videos on you tube with guys trying to break 100mph.

nitro is not bad. i was just bitching about it. just pointing out the reasons we all like brushless. 1/8 nitro has given us most of our rides we all like. the truggies, buggies, and MTs. if it werent for brushless i wouldnt be in this hobby most likely. i had electrics as a kid and loved them. then i got a hobby grade nitro 6 years ago and i had too many complaints. 4 months ago when i walked into a hobby store for the hell of it and heard about this somewhat new electric technology called "brushless' and that is was more powerful and faster than nitro i was so excited. needless to say i have been addicted ever since. or as Star likes to put it..."afflicted." i like that. its a total affliction to my wallet. lol.

@ Rivermaxx,
have you converted a 1/8 yet? do you have a setup with a Neu motor and enerland cells? take the opportunity to do this and i am willing to bet you will never go back to your nitro. you may keep them still but your new brushless would outperform your nitros in every single way. not trying to hate, just convert you to the light. we need to baptize you with brushless!!:lol:

Pics?

I agree with that assessment. My nitros had been on the background ever since I converted my emaxx to brushless :intello:.

lol the Nitro forum here should be a dedicated inteRveNTIOn section, focused on those who need our help the most...

To be fair, there are a number of benefits of nitro, listed below:

1: You don't mind going mudding, because even if you don't, the combination of dirt and nitro oil will make mud anyway.

2: Realism I guess. Although, I've never known a 1:1 car to sound like a giant mosquito, nor do they smell so bad I want to vomit.

3: Fumes contributes to global warming. With the temps here right now (and the last few days), it would be welcome.

4: Fumes gets you high without resorting to illegal drugs.

5: Gives you exercise. Not only do you have to walk over to flip the vehicle back over, you have to walk to your pit area to restart it.

6: The noise gives the neighbors something to complain about.

7: Most animals won't chase a nitro. Not only are they loud, but the fumes keeps them away. I guess that makes animals are smarter than nitro users.

8: Making you think you are cool because you can work on an "engine".

That's about all I can think of right now, but I'm sure you guys can come up with others...

9: Carrying around the starter box, glow plugs, extra fuel, batteries for the receiver, batteries for the starter, and an extra gallons of fuel will get you stronger as well...good for your muscles and cardio...

10: Who want to clean off their car with just an airhose anyways? Its just too easy!!!

11: Taking apart your nitro engine and then putting it back together and NOT having it start is WAY more fun than changing a brushless motor's bearings...

12: Four words...Clutch bells, clutch shoes....yesssss..gotta love those springs!!!!

13: Plug and Play is soooo overrated...I'd rather take out my car, put some fuel in it...Then attempt to start it for the next 20min and figure out why its not starting instead of the electric guys who are already on their 2nd battery...


my 2cents...

14: Improves your math skills. Calculating the optimum mixture based on temperature, humidity, and planetary alignment takes some pretty advanced stuff!

LOL, someone should start a "Advantages of Nitro" thread with all these on there. :lol:

And an amended #9:

9: Carrying around the starter box, glow plugs, extra fuel, batteries for the receiver, batteries for the starter, and an extra gallons of fuel will get you stronger as well...good for your muscles and cardio... And if you choose to forego the starter box, the purist route of repeatedly yanking on that pullstring a billion times will also strengthen your arms. Just be sure to switch sides once in a while to maintain an even muscle tone.

15. the vibration of nitro engines constantly loosens screws, making tear down and rebuilding easier, which is necessary since your motor mount screws loosened changing your gear mesh requiring spur and clutchbell maintenance.

my favorite thing about nitro was the police can hear you from a mile away playing in a parking lot at 2am obviously under the influence, and it gives our civil servants a good hour to make fun of you and ask you crap about your car while noticing how red eyed you are knowing your heart is about to fall out of your chest. Brushless is like a 9mm with a silencer LOL. I roll that thing in a lot by my house (old sears closed down) and the police station is less that a block away. Never had "the man" roll up on me

what about the pros??
 

:lol::lol::lol:

are there really still nitro purists these days? cuz if there is they are really going to have their feelings hurt should they come across that list. very well put together. you almost had me convinced to switch to nitro.:wink:

you know what i dont get, all the 1/8 pro drivers who grace the covers of magazines and are still holding up some dirty nitro. i thought the pros were supposed to be at the forefront of this industry. i mean, i think to myself, "those pros must only drive those nitros because their contract requires them too." why the hell arent they pushing their sponsors to get with the times and get a brushless kit made pronto and then let the pro sell the hell out of it on the covers. or do the pros really love nitro that much still? do they not want to admit they are racing a dying breed? i just want to hear an honest opinion from like Drake, or Truhe, or Cavalieri. not some sponsor written statement about how much they love their newest nitro kit. have any of them even driven an 1/8 brushless? some of you members out in SoCal must see them at the tracks. do they bring their brushless setup to the track at 1am when no one is there so they can secretly have some real fun without pissing off their sponsor? enquiring minds want to know.

I personally have not seen that, but I'll go to more tracks at 1am to really find the truth!

Cmon guys with all this shit talking somebodies got to back it up. lets see some mph numbers and video to prove it. Make me a believer lets see some top speed numbers with your buggies and mt"s. Somebody in this brushless elite crew got to have some sort of video of your truck truggy or buggy haulin ass and winning races. I am going to build my brushless truck too hall ass but I want to see what its potential can be. BTW Lito, that video dont count because I cant see a thing on that gps, unless someone was there to back it up. If anyone can break records it should be you guys, well go out and do it! instead of bitching and complaining about how much you hate nitro. I am not hating at all. I just want some proof because talk is cheap. Make me a believer I am half way there anyway.LOL Good question! Why is the top spots in the championship still held by nitro if brushless has been out for 5 years. Please dont get mad at me for this post but I didnt start this crap shoot. Peace:smile:

It's already been said; those guys seem to be stuck in the dark ages. People fear what they don't understand.

As far as proof goes, just look at Nic Case's record... Yeah, it's not a MT, but still...

Nic cases record is truely amazing I do admit that. How many brushless motors does he have under the lid though? If those guys are in the dark ages why doesnt someone from this forum go out and whoop some butt! instead of talking trash.You can talk bad about the winning team all you want but in the end your still the loser. Right?

Stum a member here.. Stumblinh a few banned names ago on the traxxas forum, ripped his revo not even trying at about 64mph, he wasn't even trying just messing around for us on the trx site to test the system. I know and he knows it could have hit 75+, Ive done 75+ but that was with a losi speed t (1/10th) on 3s 4800 it flew in the air and hit me and broke my ankle and I not having health insurance sat at home drinking whisky for the pain for a week

I believe Nic has just one motor.

I can't speak for others here, but I don't race. I just like to go out and play. Besides, everyone knows it's 10% vehicle, 90% driver.

Really though, you're in the wrong forum to change anyone's mind about nitro vs BL. If you want to hear comments from nitro fanboys, go to any one of the nitro vehicle subforums at the Trx forum. Plenty of misinformed/delusional people there...