wheels and tires
 

have erevo - mmm 8xl on 4S soon to be 6s.

So my stock talons are no match for my track or speed runs. the tires keep coming off the rims no matter how much glue and the talons cause way too much understeer and generally are just not good racing tires to say the least.

what have you guys found the best tradeoff in a tire/wheel combination
for both bashing and half serious racing on pretty rough tracks?

Badlands with half offset wheels.

Off topic, but, the 8XL might be toast if you run it on 6s. Especially if you go racing with it. It sounds like you know what you're doing. I just thought I'd give you a heads-up.

I demaged my 8xl with 5s and good airflow.

+1 to Badlands and offset wheels.

I ran a 6XL on 4s and it still works :smile:

8XL on 6S and MMM
 

thanks. i will run 6S on smaller pinions than on 4S and watch the temps. worst case we get the 2200 that I didnt have the option to get when i got the 8XL. People have told me motor temps go down on higher voltage as long as you gear down.

badland's with 1/2 offset beadlock's!

i was having tonne's of issue's with tire's coming off of the rim before and since i switched to beadlock's i have been golden! not to mention that the badland's will hook on pretty much EVERY surface :yipi:

for racing tire's; what's wrong with bowtie's or crimefighter's or similar?

That is compltely untrue. Motor temps will rise with the voltage. A lower kv motor with more voltage will be cooler than a low voltage setup.

Well, not completely. In this case it would overheat because it would be spinning too fast for too long. 6s puts you at ~40,000 nominal which is about 5,000 too high for the Feigaos and their infamous inefficiency. If the motor were still within the efficient band of operation you would indeed see lower temperatures by using a higher voltage and gearing for the same speed.

Yea i probably should have phrased that differently. But it really doesn't make much of a difference until you start moving down the kv scale.

I can agree with that. :smile:

do you have to use 1/2 offset or can you go with standard?
 

do you have to use 1/2" offsets or can you go with zero offset?

0 offsets will work fine and they do look better on the truck IMO. 1/2 offsets give you a wider stance and therefor better handling. I have both. Badlands are now on 0 offsets for bashing and a set of bowties on 1/2 offsets for racing.

I just came from running losi super bolt-on tires(40 series) They had tremendous grip and hadled good too. I just switch to badlands with 1/2in offset 3.8in rims(relux 1/2 ups) well they are much lighter adn offer the much need slip the diffs needed. They handle well and offer quick responce. So far I like them(one thing you need to do is tape the inside of the tire) I tried a set of badlands with standard mt rims and wasnt taped and I didnt like there performance. Now that they are on the bigger rim and taped they seem to do good.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/100_4157.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/100_4158.jpg

So you like the Badlands or the Losi's better? also i have never taped tires - what specifically are you taping inside of the tire and what kind of tape?

I am thinking about getting badlands on maximizer beadlocks?

Well the losi's offer better overall grip and are ribbed inside so they don't balloon up at high speed very much. That was there down side b/c even with the slipper set so loose that the truck wouldnt wheely it would still eat a shimmed diff. The badland are more sensitive to steering inputs and offer less grip (so it will help the diffs last longer). They also need to be taped (I used gorilla duck tape ) so the tires wouldnt balloon at higher speed(they are not ribbed inside to prevent it) . Both tires handle completely different! I do like the badlands and would recommend them(the only downside to big lugs on a tire is lak of grip on hard packed surfaces)

Since you have the e-revo I would say go with the badlands b/c the e-revo's diffs cant handle the extream grip and weight of the losi's tires.

How do you tape the tire
 

Sounds like a silly question but are you putting the tape sticky side towards the inside of the tire? is it single or double sided?

Single sided tape(like standard duck tape). Turn the tire inside out and stick the tape all the way around the center (leave about 1 in or so of tape overlap , Oh sticky side towards tire) It really helps performance of the tire at high speeds

remove the tire from the wheel, turn the tire inside out and run a length of duct tape on the inside of the tire on the area where the main tread is

Get the badlands and zero offset LPR wheels. Cut the bead off of the badlands and mount them on the LPR wheels with the stock foam that comes with the Badland tires. The lower profile on the sidewall and higher foam density from having a slightly overstuffed foam really makes a big difference to reduce the amount of ballooning and you shouldnt need tape on the tires unless you are shoot for some really high speeds.

I prefer zero offset wheels on my revo for track purposes. The zero offset wheels give you close to the stock track width and the revo will turn better. With offset wheels the wider track width makes it turn slower and it fels less responsive from my experience. The 1/2 offset wheels are great for stability if you are running in open areas or speed runs, but it handles better with standard (zero) offet wheels IMO.

You tape the inside of the tire below the tread. I use Scotch Strapping Tape, it's a reinforced packing tape.

cool. thanks. next question, have pivot balls popping out on the front end from time to time. Whats a good way to harden these?

RPM makes axle carriers that use bigger bearings and have more material around the pillowball.

Does your ERevo have the new Traxxas carriers introduced on the Platinum Revo? Part # TRA5334R. They're the ones with the metal ring around the pillow ball hole. They also use a bigger outer bearing. If not then get them, they are cheap and work great. If the 5334R are the ones you're running and managed to pop pillow balls through them then you might need to go heavy duty with RD Racing carriers. The suggested RPM carriers are fine if you don't have the Slayden steering mod done. With the Slayden mod, the RPMs pop pillow balls too. I use the Traxxas 5334R and I have the Slayden mod done and I still have to pop a pillow ball after a full season of racing and bashing. Tekno also came out with their own carriers that have aluminum reinforcements around the pillow ball hole. I never tried those.

Yes they use the ones with the metsl ring and larger bearings. I just broke one and got the part # out of the owners manual and the manual says that the rear uses a 5334(not the r) but then show the larger bearing being used???? I ordered the 5334 and it didnt fit! So I just got the 5334r and I am now back up and running!

Edit: I only broke one b/c it was 19*F outside and hit the ramp doing 40mph and landed sideways(58ft away) on the rear tire!

what is the slayden steering mod?
 

What is the slayden steering mod? I have the e-revo and installed the part that gives you extra steering but i still dont have as much steering turning to the left as i would like.?

The Steve Slayden's steering mod
It's simply a few little modifications you can do to get the maximum steering throw from your Revo. But it does come at the expense of pillow balls popping out if you don't have some kind of reinforced carriers like the 5334R from Traxxas or the expensive RD Racing ones.

link to slayden mod's http://www.traxxas.com/support/kb_se...472&artlang=en :rules:

look's like mistercrash beat me to it! :lol:

you can also mod the stock carrier's with a piece of copper tubing IIRC

are your toe link's set-up equally?

what wheels work with the super bolt on tires?
 

I ordered the maximizer badlands combo. I also want to know what wheels do the lost super bolts ons fit? will they fit on the 17mm maximizer or do i need a 40 series rim? if so does anyone make a beadlock in a 40 size?

The losi tires are 40 series and proline make a set of beadlocks and so does axial(sp ? and they are call oversized beadlocks). I just put a set of the losi superbolt-ons on a set of proline 40 series beadlocks(for my friends lst2). I had to dremmel a little of the rubber off the inside mounting band of the tire to make it fit well in the beadlocks though. Overall it wasnt hard and they bit well in the rim. The losi tires are very grippy

proline 40 series beadlocks
 

I looked on tower - the pro-line 40 series beadlocks dont look so hot. i couldnt figure out which of the axial beadlocks were the right size as they look like they are for crawlers.

The Axial Oversize beadlocks are for 40 series tires:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...EARCH=OVERSIZE

Thats them

At what speeds are the Talons ejecting? Can I get to 55-60 mph without an issue? Just spinning them up 3/4 throttle I can see this may be an issue. scale wise I gotta beleive 60mph is well over 200mph in full scale, can one expect the same devistation with 1/8th scale as throwing a tire on a full scale at 200+ wondering if that made any sense at all

The talons don't "eject", they come unglued and throw the truck out of control!

Mine ripped apart. The treaded part of the tire came off while driving. Like a retreaded tire

they wont survive over about 45 mph.
 

they constantly came unglued with 4S and at 6s the tire exploded off the rim. they are really poorly made and poorly glued. i dont understand how they are putting these on the ERBE.

if you want to go 50 or more your going to need a different setup. beadlocks hold for me. other have made glue ons work as well.

Read this thread
 

Read this thread and it should help you with your problem. It will really help with wheel/tire setup. If you are racing it would really help to balance your wheels once you put them together. Good luck with that.

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14978

:surprised:Did you lose control? I can only imagine a pavment roll over doing 60+ . I had 7" Mahems on mine at 50mph and no issue, but these Talons are such a soft thin rubber, only stretch so far then...:surprised:.

Mine came unglued first. So I put some gorilla super glue on it, so the next give point was the rubber ripping around the edges. It was cool to see, I just hated having to buy another set of tires