Losi 8ight T 2.0e VS Xray XT8 2009 spec
 

Hi everyone. Last time on track was clear message that e-revo no matter what part I will use is just not the real deal. So I've decided to get a truggy.

After some researching, reading, more reading and more researching, I've narrowed it down to those two.

I have no experience with Team Losi as brand and I've got some with Team Xray. I love how my small 1:10 xray is build and every documentation is just awesome. Also how it handles was perfect.

From what I was able to find, there is no major difference that will clearly point to one or another, they cost absolutely the same for me, parts are more expensive with xray, but they have everything in stock in local store 20min drive from my home...

I wasn't able to find any threads or messages that points out problems with Xray, however there is one thread here that points out some of Losis, but nothing serious.

Last point was conversion, if I will use conversion and slipperential from Mike, it seems to be just plug&play and I have to admit, I am quite bad in making anything non plug&play working... Losi is about the same, but full conversion is not avaiable for new 2.0 longer chassis model..

and yes, Losi looks with it's body on way better, I just love how it looks.

I am slight favorit of xray and I am hoping to get some info to point me either one or another way, I would really appreciate it.
(there is some time, Mike is out of stock for xray mounts so I still have time to decide :)

cheers

I own an XB8EC (Xray) and a Losi truggy. Actually I have owned quite a few and there has been nothing in my opinion that can compare to the quality of Xray. Sure they cost a bit more but worth every penny.

I think for a new truggy the MBX-6T or the ZO1-T gets my vote

The losi is fast, but its sooooo damn ugly! And its a losi...

And the Xray still hasnt gotten updated to 808 spec (the front end) But its a nice truggy for sure! Xray is nice stuff

Well guys, thanks for suggestions, from today I am proud owner of slightly used XT8, considering around 300$ price including 100$ futaba servo, I am quite happy and will post conversion pictures as soon as Mike will have motor mount in stock again ;)

Did you get the '09 spec? If so, what do you think so far?

Well I got 2008 spec. So far I can just compare with e-revo... truggy is way more simple. There is like 1/10 of parts and everything is soooo easy.

on track, truggy seems to be way lighter, I run out few battery packs, destroyed one (probably 3V cutoff per cell is too low with rx8 combo) and I am really really impressed by it. However when other xray guys saw me, they told me to get at last big bore shocks from 2009 because they work really great.

but comparsion to other truggy is pretty hard, next saturday there is race so I can say more.. now I just try to resist not to buy fresh new 2009 spec :)

Cool, thanks for the info. I just bought an updated '08 XT8 to '09 spec. Has everything updated as far as chassis, 0 offset wheels and a couple other things. Can't wait to get it. I never should have sold my old XT8, just should have updated the chassis. Xrays are awesome.

Let me know your thoughts after the race tomorrow.

The 09' Spec XT8 is flat out awesome IMO. It didn't look like a huge change from the old XT8, but it handles way different. I had the original XT8 and loved it. Absolutely the most durable truck Ive ever owned. I sold it last fall and bought a Associated truggy cuz I kept getting beat by them and I drove my buddy's and really like the way it handled. I loved the RC8T for a while, but after a couple months it started to get to me cuz it broke way to easy for me. I might have been just spoiled by the xray toughness. So long story short... I bought the 09' spec XT8 and it is world different than the old XT8 on the track. It is just a s stable as the old one, but it turns even better than the RC8t and I didn't think that was possible because the RC8T handled great.

A good friend has the 8t 2.0 and he really like it too. Its a great handleing truggy as well. The only thing I dont like about the Losi is I feel like everyone and their brother has one. The Xrays seem to hold their value better too. I always see them going for good prices.

I vote Xray.

BTW Sower, you are gonna like the XT8'09.:yes:

Your story about going to the RC8T sounds like me going to my current 8T 2.0. It's a nice truggy, but I really miss my XT8 build quality. And not to mention the standard and metric screws driving me crazy. I feel like it's just so much more work to convert "properly" than my XT8 was. Just seems like something is always rubbing or needing fine tuning. My XT8 was just so clean.

I'm really looking forward to it. It's coming with King Heads hub extensions as well as aluminum knuckles and rear uprights. A couple other things as well - can't wait.

1 very important upgrade for steering is the front upper arms changed to the link style rather than the wishbone shaped original upper arms. you need the carbon front tower from the 09 and the turnbuckles to do the conversion. Its a key upgrade to get the better handling of the 09. It loosens up the front end. if it doesn't have that done, I would look into doing it. :yes:

Hmm, ok I'll check into that. Thanks for the tip.

Do you have part numbers for that by any chance? Just want to be sure about what's needed. I did just check out the price of the shock towers and DANG - $50 for the front one! Sounds like this mod will cost a few bucks :whistle:

Yea, Xray parts aren't cheap for sure. The nod would go to the Losi there.

But honestly, the only time I didn't finish a race so far with it was because a nut fell off. I haven't broken anything on it yet. Not a thing. And they last forever with very little wear, so even though parts aren't always cheap, you don't have to buy many.

This is the instruction supplement sheet for the '09 spec. It shows all of the updated parts for the XT8 and the assembly of the front end with the new parts. You need the front tower, and the turnbuckle and the turnbuckle ends that make the new upper front arms. It has the part numbers listed on the sheet.

http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/sho...p?file_id=5656

To build the turnbuckles it looks like you would need:
353130
353150
353160
353170
302268
and then the front shock tower

Once you have the longer chassis that it sounds like you already have, the only other major thing is the new shocks which you probably already have too. Most of the other upgrades were just to make it lighter and lighten the drive train for better acceleration which isn't that big of a deal with brushless power.

Not sure, but I did see a while back someone parting a few of these new kits out on ebay. you might keep your eyes open for that and snag the parts there. Probably a little cheaper if your not in a hurry.

I'm running the XT8 also (I bought sower's previous one) and I LOVE it. I bash it really hard, it handles perfect, and it's so so durable. Since I've got it I never ran my revo or buggy (both nitro) again. I might upgrade to 2009 spec one day, but for now it does everything I want. You can NOT go wrong with xray. And the conversion is very clean.

Nice - now you know why I'm going back to Xray then :lol:

I'm really glad to hear you like it - that thing was my baby. It has a few things I've never seen on anything else.

Thanks for the info jhautz . . . by the way, what was the fix for the leaky diffs?

Looks like Amain has everything except the turnbuckle rod itself - they don't even show a part when I search for it. Where is another outlet for Xray parts?

O-Rings
http://www.mcmaster.com/#5233t32/=278fbq
I like to order from Team Helotes. They are in Texas right down the road from RC-America. If they don't have the part they can usually get it within a day or 2. Good service and Jeff is a good guy to deal with.

http://www.teamhelotes.com/catalog/i1027.html

http://www.teamhelotes.com/catalog/c19_p1.html

Nice, thanks. I wish they had all the parts so I could get everything from the same place. Maybe I'll send them an email or something with the part numbers.

Thanks again for all the help! :smile:

Most funny thing is , that I am in Slovakia, which is where xrays came from and factory is here. Trust me guys, you would get xray parts way easier than me (and cheaper :) because market is just too little for that here. Just few shops have parts listed and nobody got them in stock.

anyway, I was thinking to get new 2009 spec, or make those upgrades you are talking about ... all the time I am counting.
Big bores are a must, everybody told me that it is really big change.
Now you tell me that this turnbuckles & drivetrain is good as well.
Longer chassis.... dunno, but probably nice to have too
so we are talking 300$ +- since chassis is quite expensive...

adding some shipping and 19% VAt ... 350...
I am able to get brand new without shipment because I will pick it up myself for ... eee 550$ .
thats 200more, thinking that I will have everything new, new body for my "slightly used" one and it won't ever happen that I will go home from a race with something destroyed and no replacement avaiable. I wanted to buy extra diff for replacement, some C hubs and some more stuff worth 100$ for sure.

do you guys too agree that there is only one way, to buy new truggy, build it, ride it and have old one with all parts home?

Thats what I would do. Seems to make sense. I love having a spare diff or 2 with different fluids in them to be able to quickly change at the track to try different setups. And all the other spares will be nice.

Hey Kalbien, greetings from a fellow european guy.
I'm from Belgium, and I have to order parts in the states too, since they are the cheapest there.

Are you running a brushless xt8? I'm running the non-2009 version, and I think you will be just fine if you buy the big-bore shocks. The drivetrain of the "old" one is still fine if you have a good motor. As we all know, an xray doesn't break easily, so buying a second truck (especially if your old one is slightly used), and keeping the old one just for spares is a bit overkill, in my opinion. Especially when the parts you'll have spare are just the diffs and the plastic parts, since all the rest has been updated.

hmmmm, haven't though about that ... and it makes 100% sense. having few diffs with different fluids, you can change them really fast on track.


jasje : well everything else? are you sure?
axles / driveshafts are new, but do they have different sizing as well?
mhmh ;) well I am going for my first race with xt8 next saturday. I will keep it like it is for now.
Another thing is I just WANT a new toy :-P (ehm I guess you know what I mean by that )