ANYBODY DRIFT ??? I have a Q
 

I've ben wanting to build my drifter for months and finially starting to get around to doing it. I have a TC4 team kit car,M.M.4600 and 2s lipo power.
I have HPI titanium (blue)springs and need help deciding what shock oil weight and weither to lock or not the diffs ? I'm reading mixed opinions and I'm a little confused, I'd appreciate some reliable input ?
Thanks

You'll want to lock the diffs or at least put really thick oil in them if they're not ball diffs.

Do you drift Riley ?
How to lock them isn't really the issue,I've heard from different sources that learning to drift is easier or harder with locked diffys ?
They are ball diffs and I already locked them. It would make me feel better to hear from a experienced drifter "Yes, lock them. The learning curve is easier".

You will NOT be seeing me at NitroKillers anymore, Jason the Pickle Puffer permenantly banned me for distasteful pictures in my album. I suppose what I said did't help the situation either LOL ?

I've drifted a couple times, but it was with a recoil with stock set ball diffs and stock rubber tires.(with a Neu 1107) It was pretty fun until the tires blew :lol:

After that I made real abs drifting tires and it was pretty fun. I got tired of it and sold it though...:neutral:

I found the older I get the easier it is to drift..... off to sleep. One shoe on one on the floor, layed back in the recliner witha newspaper like a tent over my belly. Just like the old man after a bottle of whisky and rough day at work. I've got my old man beat though. I don't have to wait until I get home to drift.... I keep the whisky at work.

Did you post something like this: Pickle Puffing

DAMMIT ! Thats twice now,you suck LOL.
I had to shut my PC off the other night to get rid of that blasted thing.
How do I grab that to send it to someone,I can't copy to paste it ??

I figured it out ! This will Piss off my brother Bad ! LOL.

You're a mean, mean person lincpimp

I'd liked to know as well

I did lock front & rear and it was a lot of fun, but I was using sportwerks 1/8 rubber tires and only 3s , rebuilding it now and going to try heavy grease open front with rear locked

DickyT drifts PM or email him. tekstyle is his YouTube name. He is a good guy. He will help.

Here is his drift build:

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17867

Mucho Grassyass

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Locked diffs, torque, and tires that have a little bit of grip to them. If you have no grip you'll be pretty much spinning out all the time and not actually "drifting." Too often I go to watch an RC "drifting" video and it's some guy spinning out.

Well, I finially finished the build. The parts were sitting for 4-5 months and got tired of looking at them. I ahve yet to test my set up due to rain. Looking forward to trying it out soon.
The paint; I "dusted" 1 coat of the flip/flop on befor the black but was still a bit much,The flash makes it look a lot heavier than it really is. You can hardly notice the flake until the light hits a certain angle. I guess I'm content even though it looks a tick ghetto.

I'm attempting to get into drifting, but there isnt much if any in ohio, I run a TC5 like Dickyt, I have a rear spooler (locked diff) and use HPI t-drift tires, yes they do spin out all the ime but I know how to control the drift somewhat. the t-drifts are smooth but the more you use them on the concreate the the more traction they get due to scratches on the tires. if you want more drift info I go to http://www.drccentral.com/forums/ind...15640&hl=setup

I've ben drifting like crazy the last few days and having a blast ! A couple friends of mine I met through the hobby shop have drift cars also, so I've ben hangin' and bangin' with them. They have ben doing this a while so they got me up speed on setting my truck up and all is good. I have a MaxCramps 9000mah 2s lipo I can drive for almsot 2 solid hours befor the voltage drops off. I do need to get some smaller packs so my truck will be a little better balance though. We have ben going to tennis courts, perfect drift surface !

Hey man, i have 2 drifters (Yokomo LCG/HPI Pro-D), and one more (Yokomo SSG) on the way - it's pretty big where i live =)

Have you got the car setup well now mate? HPI T-Drifts or the Tamiya Driftechs are the tyre of choice here...

As for your diffs, it's kinda a personal preference, but to get started, it's easier with a locked rear, and open front diff - the front diff works well when it's firm, but not loose or too tight. Some people find running a one way up front works well for them, but i hate it - you cant use brakes, and have to use neutral throttle instead to get the same effect, although it is a decent setup if running on a very very tight track.

Get some toe-out up front, and some toe-in at the rear - this gives you more steering up front, making the car easier to correct on big angle, and toe in at the rear makes the car's transition less twitchy.

Generally you want softer suspension in the rear to the front, and wanna be slightly higher in the rear than the front too, but again - this will come down to your driving style...

One of the most important parts to drifting imo (when you get a little more serious about it) is your throttle curves/deadband and exponential settings...

For example, i like my brakes to come on fast and strong, and lock right up as soon as my finger goes a hair-width past neutral, so that all 4 wheels lock, and i use momentum to enter most corners...

I also find that a smooth curve to the forward throttle range works very well for me... I have it ramped, so that i have a fairly slow and consistent travel through the throttle range early on, then it ramps up to full power very sharply from about 3/4 throttle to full throttle...

You will find that you'll use steering only very minimal compared to throttle when it comes to controlling the car...

You mainly need to keep in mind, that countersteer isn't used as it is in 1:1 drifters - the weight isnt there to allow full countersteer right the way through a corner... Your throttle is the main key to controlling your car, and steering is just there for quick corrections to the direction, but throttle is what will get you where you wanna go more than steering...
I find i don't use any countersteer at all through 99% of corners unless i have too much angle and speed...

The more i watch newer drivers, the more i realise the fact they are trying to drive it more like a real car than an rc one... all principles are basically the same - it's the steering/throttle that throws them off, as they're trying to countersteer in a corner when it isnt needed, so they end up crashing out to the other side of the track =)

Hope that helps you some man, drifting can be a whole lot of fun when you get good numbers going, it takes time, but it has taken off here quite well =)

Setup is really personal, just try different things.
Also what works on one chassis doesn't always work on another.
One thing that does work on most if not all chassis are stiff shocks, the rear a little bit more then the front.

TC4's are perfect for drifting!:mdr:
My previous drift chassis was a TC4 FT with eZrun 9t and 2s lipo's.
Didn't locked the diffs because i didn't like how it handled.. only tightened both diffs more then normal.
30wt asso oil in the shocks (Tamiya TRF shocks).
I think 0 camber on the front and -1 camber on the rear
Used this setup for over a year and really liked it, only switched because it needs a rebuild.

Tire choice is also personal and also depends on the surface.
With brushless i like HPI T-drifts and Tamiya Driftechs on most surfaces.

Never used an one-way in my TC4 but i use one in my Pro4 (Almost the same as TC4) only on circuits with tight bents.

Picture of my TC4:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...4/IMG_5266.jpg

A vid of me drifting with the TC4, not my best tho:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiCDA4C-gUA

Thanks for you guys input, I have put some of the suspension ideas to good use. I picked up a front one way and will install this week sometime, I think I'll like it better but we'll see ? I need to buy some HPI drift tires because the PVC ones I have a bit to slick on most surfaces.
I need a lot more practice than anything else ! I've ben running RC cars and trucks for 23-24yrs and thought "This drift thing will be easy" HAH ! I'm almost thinking a gyro but want to see if the skills come first befor I cheat.
I have a few bodys to paint also, I'll post more pictures hopefully soon.
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I have another Q ?

HobbyCity has really affordable "Turnigy" 540 sized motors and was woundering if a lower KV motor would help with drifting ? If so, recomendations ?
I my set up runs plenty cool but was more curious if the extra torque would benifit honeing drift skills,let alone cooler and extend run time ?
I swapped my suspension settings around a little per advice and your right, helped a lot. Still waiting for one way,will not show till middle of the month.

Thanks

Get more torque by gearing down. The turnigy motors will be more inefficient then the castle motors so they'll probably still run hot.

I do not have temp issues now, wanting to know if lower KV will help with the set up for drifting.

I was considering going from a 4600kv to a 3000 or 3200kv with 2s to gain more bottom end to help with drifting. Not sure if it'll help with making the bottom end smoother or adding torque will help the drift.

Going from a high kv to a lower kv with the same voltage will give you less power. voltage times amps = watts. With a lower kv motor, you'll be pulling fewer RPMS which means less amps which means less power. Electric motors produce 100% of their torque throughout the whole power band, so a slower spinning motor doesn't always mean more torque.

Sticking to the same motor and gearing down will give you more torque. Also, going down in KV with more voltage will give you more torque and more power overall. Going from a 2 pole to a 4 pole motor will probably give you more torque.

Going to a lower kv motor (same voltage) will give you less power, cooler temps, less torque, and less top end. It might help your setup as it will be a slower spinning motor, but in the end I would just gear down with the same motor.

I guess I'll stick with what I have for now until I develope a issue ?
Thats what I get for having a brain fart.

Yeah, I'd stick with what you have now, gear lower if you want more torque. Didn't want anything to come across in a bad way, just trying to explain it thuroughly.

You've got a sweet setup. You should enjoy it man!

Well you kinda did, you were thoroughly explaining everything I already was aware of but not answering my question. Heat,Torque and effiencentcy weren't a big concern,everything is golden. I just wanted to know if a lower KV motor will help with learning to drift ? No problem and thanks for the compliment and your trying to help.

I drift, and I'm just getting bored of it, since there's noone in my neighborhood who drift, let alone do RC at all!

Sold my TT01 which had a locked rear, and a open front, jeez, that was a fun drifter.
Don't get a gyro, it'll make drifting boring, I personally think drifting is only fun if you have competitions, or friends to drift with.

When you drift by yourself, it's only fun when you're still trying to learn, once you got some stuff down, it gets really boring doing figure eights in the middle of the street by yourself. :no:

That's from personal experience btw :intello:

Right now I'm just trying to sell my TC4 to fund a bunch of other stuff, I'm more into trucks now, since it can go anywhere! :party:

But it's pretty cool to whip out your TC4 and drift around your friends...
Sigh, need a brushless system for the EMaxx...
Anyone want a nice TC4? :neutral: :mdr: