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88gtanotchback 10.05.2009 01:41 PM

What truggy to build.
 
Hey guys im a new comer to the electric side of things. ive been into nitro savages up until the flux came out. Since i got it ive been steady on it and love it, the two nitro savages get very little usage now. the thing is i want to do a new brushless build. However my question is what truggy matches up to my motor and esc i already have.

I have a spare Flux motor and ESC that i bought. The Flux Tork 2200 and Blur ESC. I bought them because i was going to build a new Flux but i figured maybe i would branch my horizons off from the savage. I got to looking at truggys and found a few i like. the Mugen MBX6T was one and the RC8T was another.

i saw this http://www.teknorc.com/index.php and noticed they have some nice kits. the thing is im new to BL and dont want to dump a ton of money into something that wont work out in the end.

A few questions i have is what truggy would you guys recommend i use for the 2200kv motor and ESC i have? is the Tekno a good system to invest in? should truggys be ran on 4s? or 5s? is there anything out of the ordinary i may need to make this work all together?

heres the combo i have already although i sure many of you already know.
http://www.hpiracing.com/graphics/ki...lur_n_Tork.jpg

thanks in advance for your help guys, greatly appreciated to get me going in the bl direction.:smile:

sabongi 10.05.2009 01:56 PM

mbx6t with mikes mount and battery tray, 6S lipos seems perfect! and looks beautiful: http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...=rcmmbx6tsckit

88gtanotchback 10.05.2009 02:23 PM

That kit does look nice as well. thanks for the link. i think its great there are kits out there available to convert these trucks for real power. next question is can a 6s battery fit in either of these set ups even? Also can a truggy handle 6s power? i want to set this up for racing in the future so i don't want uncontrollable power. i want usable.

sabongi 10.05.2009 03:00 PM

6S is meant to keep temps low. Just pair it with the right motor and you'll be fine! Pretty sure a 6S will fit a truggy!
If you think you have too much power just lower the radio EPA!

stum 10.05.2009 05:12 PM

That tork motor is 2200kv, don't pay any attention to what the above statements were... that motor is 4s max out on the track, even geared down as much as possible 5s lipo is too much. 4s w/ conservitive gearing (38-40) and you will be in nice shape for basihng or racing. With a 4s setup in a truggy you can get away w/ the SMC 9k lipo's too if you wanted for long a-mains.

88gtanotchback 10.05.2009 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stum (Post 325200)
That tork motor is 2200kv, don't pay any attention to what the above statements were... that motor is 4s max out on the track, even geared down as much as possible 5s lipo is too much. 4s w/ conservitive gearing (38-40) and you will be in nice shape for basihng or racing. With a 4s setup in a truggy you can get away w/ the SMC 9k lipo's too if you wanted for long a-mains.

Thanks this advice makes sense to me. those SMC packs are great, either those, hyperion or the good ole zippy's. lol which is the odd one out? so you think the MBX6t or even MBX5t would be ok? i found tons of great truggies. biggest thing is price. i want to use the tekno conversion, it just looks so clean and complete. so the options are a Losi 8ight, MBXt, or an RC8t. all look promising. will the 2200kv motor fit the tekno mounts? thanks for the advice guys, i appreciate it, any more input feel free to add, and if you have a roller that is worthy of the conversion post it up or PM me, im not picky at the moment as im still in the air.

magman 10.05.2009 05:22 PM

Well you were asking about a mbx-5T so here is mine I recently finished...

I am running a cc/neu 2200kv w/mmm esc on 5s. This is the second Mugen I own and have converted...they are built like tanks

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...e/DSC02943.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...e/DSC02947.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...e/DSC02944.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...e/DSC02945.jpg

stum 10.05.2009 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 88gtanotchback (Post 325201)
Thanks this advice makes sense to me. those SMC packs are great, either those, hyperion or the good ole zippy's. lol which is the odd one out? so you think the MBX6t or even MBX5t would be ok? i found tons of great truggies. biggest thing is price. i want to use the tekno conversion, it just looks so clean and complete. so the options are a Losi 8ight, MBXt, or an RC8t. all look promising. will the 2200kv motor fit the tekno mounts? thanks for the advice guys, i appreciate it, any more input feel free to add, and if you have a roller that is worthy of the conversion post it up or PM me, im not picky at the moment as im still in the air.

I'm not 100%, but I think that tork motor is of such a strange size that it won't work in the available tekno motor mounts for their kits. You may want to go w/ one of Mikes (RCM's) conversions instead, this will give you the needed space. I've been running tekno converts and they are great.. but I'm set to run a 8ight-e 1.0 w/ mikes mount and losi's battery tray and parts. It's all together, caint for next season!! LOL what a long wait I have in NY though :( Rebuilt my tekno 8ight-t to run for my truggy next season.. like new again, so also excited.

88gtanotchback 10.05.2009 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magman (Post 325203)
Well you were asking about a mbx-5T so here is mine I recently finished...

I am running a cc/neu 2200kv w/mmm esc on 5s. This is the second Mugen I own and have converted...they are built like tanks

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...e/DSC02943.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...e/DSC02947.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...e/DSC02944.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...e/DSC02945.jpg

what did you use to convert that one? looks great! Badlands rule:yipi:

magman 10.05.2009 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 88gtanotchback (Post 325213)
what did you use to convert that one? looks great! Badlands rule:yipi:

Believe it or not, it is a stock 5T chassis. I bought a Mugen motor mount from Mike and had him make me a custom tray to fit those specific batts....that's it, very simple to do.

Almost forgot, the esc. mount is this one....just drill 3 small holes and countersink the ends and you are done. The mmm sits perfectly on it. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXVEC2&P=7

Here is a so so pic of the esc w/that mount....

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...e/DSC02946.jpg

Nard Cox 10.05.2009 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stum (Post 325205)
I'm not 100%, but I think that tork motor is of such a strange size that it won't work in the available tekno motor mounts for their kits.

A small FYI : The Flux tork doesn't fit into a standard RC8T-e because of the bigger can.

bcltoys 10.05.2009 07:20 PM

If you go with tekno they have mounts to fit pretty much anything 40mm fit novaks 42mm fits castle and tekins 44mm fits nue's.

sabongi 10.05.2009 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stum (Post 325200)
That tork motor is 2200kv, don't pay any attention to what the above statements were... that motor is 4s max out on the track, even geared down as much as possible 5s lipo is too much. 4s w/ conservitive gearing (38-40) and you will be in nice shape for basihng or racing. With a 4s setup in a truggy you can get away w/ the SMC 9k lipo's too if you wanted for long a-mains.

why don't pay attention? So you`re mister know it all? You sounded rude to me sir.
He asked for opinions, and i gave mine. Never said this is absolute truth. Nor yours. I used 6S on a truggy with success, and just wanted to share the recipe.

emaxxnitro 10.05.2009 07:24 PM

have you seen the xray XT8? its another top dog when it comes to quality i have one and its beast

88gtanotchback 10.05.2009 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magman (Post 325223)
Believe it or not, it is a stock 5T chassis. I bought a Mugen motor mount from Mike and had him make me a custom tray to fit those specific batts....that's it, very simple to do.

Almost forgot, the esc. mount is this one....just drill 3 small holes and countersink the ends and you are done. The mmm sits perfectly on it. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXVEC2&P=7

Here is a so so pic of the esc w/that mount....

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...e/DSC02946.jpg

I really appreciate your help. your build is super clean yet very effective. i like that you use zippy's too(it looks like one at least). every other board i go on poo poo the idea when i tell them i run zippy's in my flux. i love em! You dont happen to have any video of it running do you? what lipo is that? thanks for your help, definetely the guidance i needed on this project.

88gtanotchback 10.05.2009 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emaxxnitro (Post 325236)
have you seen the xray XT8? its another top dog when it comes to quality i have one and its beast

I did look into the Xray as well yes. i have been looking through on ebay at many, trying to find a suitable roller to use a tekno kit on. sadly the xray doenst not have one available. I know its sad to say i want a "easy" conversion, but im kinda looking for a tried true and tested version that will accept the parts i already have and preform well. Now with this being sadi im sure there will be complications but i hope for the best. plus there's a ton of knowledge and builds on here i can always search through if i do encounter bumps.
im not saying that the MBX5t is the for sure it will all depend on the roller i find first that appeals to me and has a good base to build off.
id say,
Xray
Losi 8ight t
MBX5t
mbx6t
rc8t
are all in contention at the moment. Any one have one for sale?:yes:

emaxxnitro 10.05.2009 11:17 PM

i got my xt8 for about 200$
watch rc tech closely
mike has a motor mount for xrays
http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail...d=rcmxraymount

88gtanotchback 10.05.2009 11:26 PM

ya i just checked the monster store and saw that mount. If thats mikes work he does great quality. I will have to inquire to see if it will work with the tork motor not. i also found this
http://cgi.ebay.ca/x-ray-xray-x-ray-...d=p3286.c0.m14
i guess its not out of the running quite yet. you don't happen to have a few shots of yours do you to show how you went about the conversion?
keep the info coming fellas this is great.

Desert Rc 10.06.2009 03:07 AM

If you go Mugen, Losi, or Xray I dont think you will be disapointed. I have a Losi 8ight T and have to say the conversion mount from Losi is pretty slick. I also agree with Stum that if you are racing you wont need any more then 4s.

I have ran Losi 8b and 8T and had a blast with them. I also will say the SC8-e was fun but has its place.

Now I am moving into the luxury department with Xray rigs and all I can say is "wow" over the quality. I was so impressed with my first xray the XB8 that I bought a XB808 and XT8 with a buch of stuff I am selling off. I also have to say that Mikes work on his mounts are amazing and the quality fits the Xray very nicely. You can see my xb808 build thread in the truggy section if you like it has a really nice 3 piece mount. IMO also if you racing a buggy is much more nimble and easier to get the hang of.

Here is my latest build that I got yesterday.....saving for mikes mount now.:whistle:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ract/034-5.jpg

side by side to the 8ight T
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ract/045-2.jpg

Now the 8ight is for sale on RC Tech LOL these are pictures from today. :lol:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ract/019-8.jpg

Good luck in your adventure!!

stum 10.06.2009 06:51 AM

Here are some old shots of my tekno 8ight-t


http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w...h/IMG_1570.jpghttp://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w...mblinh/018.jpg

emaxxnitro 10.06.2009 08:12 AM

my conversion
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/GEDC0012.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/GEDC0013.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/GEDC0014.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/GEDC0015.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/GEDC0016.jpg
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/GEDC0017.jpg

ClodMaxx 10.06.2009 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 88gtanotchback (Post 325283)
i also found this http://cgi.ebay.ca/x-ray-xray-x-ray-...d=p3286.c0.m14
i guess its not out of the running quite yet..

careful....that's not an xt8. it's a buggy converted to a truggy. look for an xt8, imo.

i can get shots of mine tonight. all you need is a roller, mike's motor mount, and mike's battery tray. and motor, esc, and servo of course. super easy, and looks like it came that way out of the box. no need to custom make anything - just put it all together.

tedo 10.06.2009 10:18 AM

Here's my 6T. I would go Mugen. Real balanced. It handles way better than my old 5T (got a 5T roller - real cheap).

RCM motor mount | 2 x 2S in a series | RCM Slipperential | Tekin RX8 2000.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1254838403
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1254838551
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...g?t=1254838584

Desert Rc 10.06.2009 12:57 PM

Gotta luv the body on the new Mugen Truggy. Awesome!!

88gtanotchback 10.06.2009 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClodMaxx (Post 325362)
careful....that's not an xt8. it's a buggy converted to a truggy. look for an xt8, imo.

i can get shots of mine tonight. all you need is a roller, mike's motor mount, and mike's battery tray. and motor, esc, and servo of course. super easy, and looks like it came that way out of the box. no need to custom make anything - just put it all together.

ClodMaxx i would love to see pics of it. and thanks for the advice, ill steer clear.

Tedo i think a 6t would be great but for being my first truggy i think that a 5t will amaze me compared to how my savages handle. plus brushless power in a smaller package should be fun.

Desert Rc that losi is a sweet package. the price is just a little high for me (although i looked around and your price is definitely fair, dont get me wrong) but for an entry trug im looking for a budget mobile kinda. spend the money where i have to and hopefully pick up a good platform for cheap:smile:

emaxxnitro 10.06.2009 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 88gtanotchback (Post 325405)
ClodMaxx i would love to see pics of it. and thanks for the advice, ill steer clear.

Tedo i think a 6t would be great but for being my first truggy i think that a 5t will amaze me compared to how my savages handle. plus brushless power in a smaller package should be fun.

Desert Rc that losi is a sweet package. the price is just a little high for me (although i looked around and your price is definitely fair, dont get me wrong) but for an entry trug im looking for a budget mobile kinda. spend the money where i have to and hopefully pick up a good platform for cheap:smile:

beware xray and mugen parts are hard to come by at lhs's and they are expencive

tedo 10.06.2009 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emaxxnitro (Post 325456)
beware xray and mugen parts are hard to come by at lhs's and they are expencive

We have no hobbyshops in Vermont. I order all my Mugen stuff off of Amain. Never had a problem with getting parts, and priority USPS I get it in 3 days.

emaxxnitro 10.06.2009 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedo (Post 325475)
We have no hobbyshops in Vermont. I order all my Mugen stuff off of Amain. Never had a problem with getting parts, and priority USPS I get it in 3 days.

yeah i get all my xray stuff from amain too. my lhs has mugen but limited selection

ClodMaxx 10.06.2009 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 88gtanotchback (Post 325405)
ClodMaxx i would love to see pics of it.

not the best lighting - i hate that it gets dark so early now!

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL127.../375533417.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL127.../375533416.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL127.../375533419.jpg

88gtanotchback 10.06.2009 08:21 PM

very nice. the xray does see to be a quality name every where i look and that build shows it. unfortunately i think there temporarily out of my price range. if i get serious about these truggies then bad things will happen (financially) but for now this is a feeler out build.:mdr:

magman 10.06.2009 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 88gtanotchback (Post 325506)
very nice. the xray does see to be a quality name every where i look and that build shows it. unfortunately i think there temporarily out of my price range. if i get serious about these truggies then bad things will happen (financially) but for now this is a feeler out build.:mdr:

The more you hang out here...the poorer you will be for sure:yes:

Desert Rc 10.06.2009 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emaxxnitro (Post 325456)
beware xray and mugen parts are hard to come by at lhs's and they are expencive

Ya but how often do you break an xray or mugen?? Im not a teenager anymore and I kinda like anticipating a package from Amain...which usually shows in 2 days.

emaxxnitro 10.07.2009 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desert Rc (Post 325525)
Ya but how often do you break an xray or mugen?? Im not a teenager anymore and I kinda like anticipating a package from Amain...which usually shows in 2 days.

not very often. its usually a screw or nut that comes loose. it rare to see plastic break on this truck

88gtanotchback 10.07.2009 12:46 PM

well guys an update, i pulled the trigger on a truggy. i bought an associated RC8T
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...e/DSCF1882.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...e/DSCF1884.jpg
im sure ill have questions along the way but hopefully all goes well. ill keep you guys posted.

ClodMaxx 10.07.2009 12:50 PM

looks good! congrats. if you're accustomed to only monster trucks, this is going to be a very pleasant surprise.... ungodly speed and handling. i know i don't run my emaxx much anymore... :lol:

88gtanotchback 10.07.2009 01:30 PM

ya im nervous. after i went brushless on my savage the nitro dont get used so now with bl and handling i can only imagine. for sale.:lol:

emaxxnitro 10.07.2009 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 88gtanotchback (Post 325656)
ya im nervous. after i went brushless on my savage the nitro dont get used so now with bl and handling i can only imagine. for sale.:lol:

dont push a truggy to the limits like a savage. it will not "replace" a mt

88gtanotchback 10.07.2009 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emaxxnitro (Post 325715)
dont push a truggy to the limits like a savage. it will not "replace" a mt

No this will be a racer. if i got bashing to so there three savages to choose from.

88gtanotchback 10.09.2009 11:30 AM

just curious what your guys thoughts are on these batteries for my set up?

http://www.ehobbies.com/sum5440sc.html

would these be good for my planned set up of 2200kv? they seem to be really good and smc carries a great name.


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