Any interest in a Ballistic 550 Motor?
 

You guys are the experts.

Would any of you be interested in a Ballistic 550 motor, with the same re-buildable features as our 540 motors? Which KVs would be most useful? We would definitely offer the 6.5T (3400 Kv).

Offering one would be relatively quick and with the 14mm rotor installed, it might be a fine motor for certain applications. We are having a project update meeting today, so if you have any inputs, post them here.

Which vehicles do you see this 550 size motor being used in?

PS: we now offer Ballistic 540 wound stators in some "Specialty" winds:

Ballistic Motor Hand Wound Specialty Stators

I really like the replaceable stators for the ballistic series. Just ordered one of your specialty 9.5 stators for my rt5 for our indoor track.

As for the 550 style. I personally am not in the market for another 8th scale motor (a little late for me, already bought tekin motors this summer). I do think its still a great idea just not something I would buy at this time.

IMO the nice features of the Ballistic are more orientiated to racers. I think the HV is a great motor size for the Slash 4x4 sized vehicles. Perhaps with that being a racers market a Ballistic version would be appropriate for that.

But without a better esc to go with it, could be a tough market to crack. You need a 100amp constant, 6s capable, computer programmable, sensorless capabilty, esc. Then get the combo in the 220 ballpark.

Currently I have no use for one but perhaps in the spring. What would the difference be between a 550 ballistic and an hv motor? My idea is to keep my E-maxx stock and waterproof through the winter but in the spring I was planning on a MMP running a HV 6.5 motor. The computer adjustability and CS I beleive make the MMP a better esc choice. My first large scale brushless system was an HV Maxx 4.5, power was good but the esc couldn't keep up. So if a 550 sizedballistic motor would offer mean advantage over an hv motor I'm all for it, if the price is right

A Ballistic 550 would be the same size as the HV Pro motors, but feature the 14mm tuning rotor, which provides a higher temperature threshold. (And, of course, the re-buildability.)

The street price would probably be @125.00. As I posted elsewhere, installing this rotor decreases the published Kv of our existing motors by @20%.

E.G: our current 7.5T motor is rated at 3000Kv, so a 7.5T Ballistic 550 would be 2400 Kv. We may want to send out a few prototypes for users to test test with the Tekins/MMP sensored escs and provide some feedback.

Coolbeans. Sign me up for the 7.5 motor.

sending PM to NovakTwo

Yes as a great sensorted 1/8 motor option. Do we have any chance to have a strongger rotor? 17mm at least(Medusa), 18mm better(Neu), 19mm best(Castle).

I'm not sure that the rotor dimensions among various motors, (sensored/sensorless or 550 size vs ??) are comparable. Our rotors and air gap are specific to our motor design.

I think the existing motors need to prove themselves first, my experience with Novak has been less than impressive, I was the first one in my state to run a Novak GTB system (yrs back), second run a lead came out of the sensor plug, after being screwed around by your joke of an Australian Distributor (who is still a joke), the motor gave it up (continued glitching), I ended up selling the GTB system for like $100 and bought an LRP Sphere system which ran flawlessly for a yr or so

Yes that's in the past, but bad experiences are memories that linger with people, I haven't chanced it with a Novak product since, and from what I read, the Ballistic motors run hot as well! (My Fantom Ion 17.5 came off at 38 degrees celcius after a 6 minute Slash race, a fellow racer with the same gearing, running a Novak Ballistic 17.5, came off at 62 celcius)

I love novak products, 3 sets of GTB+Velociti run extremely well in my 2WD AE B4, 4WD HB D4 buggies and a touring car.

For 1/10 vehicles they are great.

For 1/8 buggies/truggies and monsters, I tried the HV pro in my E-MAXX3905 ended up with selling the combo for half price and went to CC MMM+6S LiPo and get shocked what the phrase "heaven and earth" actually mean....

Novak 550s are good motors to drive vehicles below 3kg. It's time for novak to have some real bad boy coming. You know this is a 1/8 blooming age, you started it(!) and should continue leading.

I started with a novak HV4400 and was impressed with how it mimicked the nitro's for power and powerband, it made it easier for me to step up and run more powerful systems later. But i think the current design is lacking in the true 1/8 world, It's still a great motor for the E-revo and E-maxx, but for direct drive apps (1/8 buggy) I'm not sure, the traxxas trucks have gearboxes and slippers to help. My hv4400 would come off the track at 225*f for the esc and 190+ for the motor, I was running 12/66 gearing with the origional bonded rotor in a Revo G2R setup. Personally, i'd like to see lower kv setups in the 1800 to 2000 kv range, I believe the problem is that running 4s and higher kv is leading to the higher than normal temps

I could see them beeing used...
but $125 is waay to much, mabey somwere around $90-$100


I just want a 4.5 with a 1/8 shaft for speed runs:oops:


FYI you need lower KVs

You can find them every now and then on fleabay. I've seen two sold in the last month (been looking for one too).

I think the 8th scale ballistic would be cool as long as there is some low KV motors like 1800 ish. Like the tekin motor line up would be a good example. Even if there isnt a 6s from you guys, have the option for guys that have the esc's to do so. Because the ballistic motor design is super sick, especially for racing when you want to try a different motor, just buy a new winding. =D

Wish I had something to test a motor in. Haha

They made some 8.5 and 9.5 turn HV motors for the team guys (I know: I have an 8.5HV). The Build-A-Ballistic program has winds that are not sold as whole motors so there's no reason they couldn't do 8.5 and 9.5 wound stators with the HV Ballistics. Combine those with the 14MM rotor and you might get down as low as 1800.

I think you guys wanting these really low kv motors are not familiar with the way Novak motors like to run. Comparing them to a CC motor, Tekin, or a Neu is kinda irrelevant. Since those are 4 pole motors, and all have much bigger rotors, they require a different setup, and these will never perform similar to them. Since you can figure power as (Torque x rpm's = hp) and we know these are lower torque motors, they need those rpm's to make their power. Also those bigger motors can be very much amp hogs, and require a higher voltage to keep those amps in check, however these motors can hit there max wattage on about 50 amps on 4s. Well within the handling capacity of the motor, and most ESC's.

I take advantage of the small 2 pole rotor, and let them rap out. I've found that Novak motors really like to be up in the higher RPM range, and that they are fine with the 60k rpm range. I know my 4.5 has no problems on 4s, and that's 67,200 rpm's. To get a similar rpm out of a 1800kv you'd have dump 10s into it.

So think of it like this, you would never try to tune a big block, and a tuner motor the same. You use the torque of the big block, and the rpm's on the tuner. Then you wouldn't put the same gearing behind them either. So why try to make a motor something it's not?

Nah, Neu and Neu/Castle have the sensorless down pat. And Tekin seems to have the sensored 1/8th motors covered.
But what I would like to see Novak do is get up off their a$$ and release the Havoc 1s esc! I'm just saying:whistle:

The Novak HV motors are a great stepping stone into BL power coming from nitro. The power is very similar and easier to get used to cause even my old HV4.5 on 12cell nimh still had a LOT more power than my Revo 3.3 ever thought of. Also keep in mind that not everyone out there is after a 50-60MPH MT, and the broken parts that come with that speed!

I have to second that on E-Revonut's comment. With two little ones if I have time to run something I will go in my front yard and run my E-maxx with the HV6.5 and 14 nimh cells. It is plenty fast, but not so fast I worry about it like I would running my buggy or truggy that are heading towards 50mph in my residential section. It is dependable, works well, long run times, and best of all the truck is reliable. I would like to see a new set up from Novak with the ballistic motors in a 550 with the HV speed control having lipo cut off and computer set up capability.

To me is kind of like cars, some of my friends have turbo charged Hondas they drive all week and head to the track on the weekends. And one of my friends has a big block Camero that should NEVER be allowed on the street especially with him behind the wheel! Both are fun in there own way.

We started shipping the Havoc 1S to distributors Monday.

We could always offer a "Build-A-HV" program....:party:

And a "Build-A-Crawler" program....

How are your 8.5 HVs working? Bob is concerned that the lower Kv B. motors, from using the 14mm rotors, might not work very well.

We can easily offer higher Ballistic 550 wound stators.

If we decide to offer the Ballistic 550, the price would be under 110.00, which is the price of our HV Pro motor, which it would replace.

Well how nice, I got tired of waiting and being put off and ordered the Havoc spec esc and 17.5 motor combo Sat. from Amain and it arrived today. Great service from Amain but now I guess I'm stuck with an out dated esc!
Thanks:no:

If you haven't hooked it up yet, you can return ithe esc for exchange; but then you have additional shipping expenses. PM me if this is something you want to do, because this exchange is not generally offered.

Great service! Kinda reminds me of another company active here! That is good!

I wish Novak good luck in the 1/8th scale market, but Castle has me sold good atm.

If coming out with a KW level motor takes a long wait, why not improve the ESC first. the dual tamiya connectors +14G wire look weak. Further more please make a switching BEC that operates on both packs instead of making one pack drain faster than the other, I saw similar designs only in toys.

I know you trying to be helpful but at this point this only adds to my frustration! For you see not only have I installed the esc but I now find it to be defective. So I hope you can understand that at this point I'm not at all happy with Novak. This is all after waiting for almost a month for the 1s now I must wait again for this to resolved. Doesn't look like there will be much 1/12th scale this season for georgec:no:

To be honest I must update my last post. As it turns out the esc is not defective. But no where in the instructions for the esc or smart boost that by the way I had to purchase separately in order to to run on 1s liPos. But I digress, no where does it state that in order to run on 1s with the smart boost you must first go into the programing and turn off the LVCO in the esc. This maybe common knowledge to the tech heads of the world but not to a common DA like my self!
GeorgeC

To be honest, I haven't had time to play with it yet. I definitley would not put the 14MM rotor in it unless it was to be run on 5S or 6S. Actually, I have the 8.5HV earmarked for a 4X4 slash on 3S with the standard 12.3MM rotor. I figure it will give me a lot of gearing flexibility and still run cool. I've been running a 7.5HV on 3s (with a Havoc3S) in a CRT.5. It goes plenty fast enough for the track where I run, the motor barely gets warm (10-15 degrees above ambient) and the speedo stays cooler than the motor. Feel the speedo heatsink after running the car and you can't even tell it has been turned on (that is with the fan on it, of course).

A lot has changed since your "project update mtg", specifically the popularity of 1/10 scale 4WD SCT which are heavier than 1/10 scale trucks and on-road cars, but lighter than 1/8 scale and generally run 2S/3S vs. 4S+. As you know, HV4.5 (550 -5,000 Kv) is perfectly suited for this class and folks are scouring the internet trying to find them! Based on that, I'd say yes, there is a market for a Ballistic 550 in 2S winds (5,000, 4,200, etc.) and 3S winds (3,400, 3,000), or re-release the HV4.5 (motor only) for SCT 2S racing.

What are Novak's plans for this market?

Just askin'

I finally found a Novak HV 4.5 and it is perfect in my Jammin SCRT10 on 2s. So yes there is definitely a market/need for 550 sized motor with high KV's (5000 or so). With the release of the 1/10 Ofna, Jammin and Traxxas 4x4 SC trucks I believe there will be a high demand for a high powered, cool running 550 sized motors for these trucks

I see the HV4.5 motors are back on the market for 2S applications...yippee!!!

Yeah, Novak would have the market cornered. They are the only ones I can think of that maded a 550 sized motor in a high kv configuration. They were originally designed for the big heavy E-maxx monster trucks and didn't work so well using high voltage lipo batteries (4s). But they are perfect in a 1/10 4wd SC truck which can run them and these motors have plenty of power, tons of torque, run ice cold, very forgiving regarding gearing and put out enough rpm's (because of the high kv) to run on 2s lipo which most tracks require for racing. Castle and Tekin do not make high kv 550 size motors. Unfortunetly Novak has discountunued the HV 4.5 (which was the only high kv version) and now they are hard to find. Novak please bring back the high kv 550 motor.... I have one in my Jammin SCRT10 but I need another one for my Traxxas Slash PE 4x4..

Ever thought to look on ebay for an HV 4.5? There's generally a bunch of them on there NIB

Didn't think I would ever need a high rpm 550 size motor again. My slash 4x4 and scrt10 (on the way) changed that. Just ordered one of your rmf 6.5's.

speed passion still makes 550 motors, down to a 3.5(5800kv IRRC) only $100 each at amain

everyone :lol:at me when I put a 4.5hv in a slash on a 2s, now looks who's :rofl:

I'd say that the 4wd corr trucks will definitly make the 550 motor sizes important going forward. Would certainly be worth while for Novak to pursue.

Another option that is currently out there for the 550 size motor is the trinity Duo 550. They have 4.5, 5.5 and 6.5 motors for around $99 and are in stock on amain.

I ordered the rmf 6.5 from novak. $65 plus shipping, came to $72.xx. I am only running on a smaller (75x75) indoor track. My tekin 9.5 was fast enough in the truck but ran to hot so I figure the bigger can will help.

Well if you'll would have listened to me when I said they would do great in the Slash, you would have already had your motors :p (please note my first post on 11/20)

I know it will be a beast, but I'm still planning on 4s with my 4.5. If it's just to much, I'll kick it back to 3.

nitrohouse.com has the HV4.5 in stock. Like you, I have one in my SCRT10 with MMPro on 2S and love it. Just ordered another one for Slash PE. Tried running the Ballistic 8.5 (5,000 Kv) but it got too hot too quick. Hope the HV fits ;)