Xerun 150A/2000kv combo
 

Just received my Hobbywing Xerun 150A/2000kv combo today and thought I would post some pics of what you get in the kit. I'll post more when it warms up enough here in Middle TN to run it and see how well it works:whip:

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Definitely interested in finding out how those new motors run.

Is that motor a 2 pole or a 4 pole motor?

4 poler- i'm quite curious how the motor will run. For the price you can get a cc/neu, but I have a flashy blue and silver build that this motor would look awesome in.

The complete kit was $214.00 to my door :yipi:

That's tough to justify when the MMM 2200kv combo can be had for as little as $240 shipped.

+ field link ($29.99) = $269.99

Actually, it'd be $262.48. For the extra $48, I like the idea of my $ going to a company that is known to stand behind their products. Not only that, but even out of warranty, has a very reasonable flat rate repair/replacement cost.

Not saying the combo you bought is bad by any means, IMO, just not worth the cheaper cost compared to a proven product with great warranty. Do let us know how it works out though. It's always nice to have viable alternatives regardless of brand preference.

Anyone have any circuit shots detailing number and model of FETs used?

I'd also like to know how the low speed driving does. The EZRun had a lurching type of operation at low low speed...

I own 2 mmm and 2 Neu/Castle 2200kv motors now and just bought the field link (wish it came with a hard case) and they have performed flawlessly for the last 2 years with the exception of the switch on one. Just wanted to try something new. We'll see how that goes when it warms up and dries out a bit here in TN.

What's the specs on that motor?

Diameter and length?

dia. = 42mm len. = 74mm model is 4274SL

has a flat spot and screw retained endbells. It looks great on paper!

I know I said I would wait till it warmed up before installing and testing my new Hobbywing esc. Well..... it was sitting there staring at me and I just couldn't take it so I stuck it in her:whip:
The first I found was that the mounting tabs line rite up with the pre drilled holes on my new RCM battery tray. It's still cold out but the snow is finally almost all gone so I took her out for a quick spin and all I can say is Holy Moly this thing is Ballistic :surprised: and smooth as butter with no discernible low speed cogging. Can't wait to try her out on the track but that will have to wait.
Here's a pic in the RCM/D8..

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Good Looking setup ya got there.

What voltage did you put it on? 4S?

Looks like 4s; I think I see 5 balance wires, and the 4s option on the label looks like it is marked.

I'm glad you threw caution to the wind and stuck it in. Let us now how she behaves after you pump some more juice through her.

4s 30c I was never quite sure why Turnigy put 8 gauge wire on it when all my other batteries have 10 or 12 :neutral:

Is the motor hard to turn by hand? Notchy feeling?

Not as much as my Neu/Castle 2200kv but notchy yes.

How big is the esc? Got some dimensions on it?

I need a decent cheapish esc with a reasonable footprint. Was gonna go with a MMpro but this looks brawnier.

L=58.32mm/W=46.72/H=34.6 Not including mounting tabs they are about 4mm each but removable if need be.

I just picked up 1 of the 80amp versions. I wanted to get the # off the Fets, but found them covered by heatspreaders. http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL133.../383118455.jpg

I thought I would make this last post on the Xerun 150A ecs and 2000kv motor. I finally got to the track with both the Xerun and my mmm to do a side by side comparison and with both ecs's set with similar settings I ran them both back to back two packs each. They were both ran in my RCM/D8 with the Xerun 2000kv motor geared 16/48 with 4s 5000mAh batteries. The track is a large technical one with no grooming over the winter so quite rough and allot of loose dust on a rock hard under surface. I ran AKA soft cityblocks. From a dead start the mmm is more linear not that the Xerun cogs it just sort of lurches from a dead start and after getting them both rolling under normal acceleration again the mmm was just a little smother. Where the huge difference came in was breaking, the Xerun no matter how I had it set the breaking came on harsh, the only way I could keep it from locking the tires was to make a concentrated effort to barely move the trigger forward (dead band set at it's widest) and in race conditions that ain't always easy. The mmm on the other hand had an almost abs feel to it even with higher brake settings. Temp wise I had to go by feel as I forgot my temp gun at home :oops: neither esc even got warm to the touch and the Xerun 2000kv motor just barely. With that said yesterday I sold the Xerun 150A ecs over on rctech and bought Brett's mmm he had for sale. Thanks Brett :lol:
BTW I really like the Xerun 2000kv motor so I will be keeping it :yes:
Just my .02 worth :smile:

That's too bad really since the sudden "lurching" starts and poor braking could easily be solved with firmware/programming.

Not really "too" bad, I came out of the deal with a little change in my pocket and a really good deal on the motor! As for settings I tried just about all on the Xerun from lowest to highest on the punch and the same on the brake settings. I even tried timing changes. :neutral:

By "too bad", I meant too bad for the ESC. It could be a really viable alternative, but it seems like they cheaped out on software...

True story, I had high hopes for the esc as an alternative to the MMM but unfortunately it wasn't to be. Oh well! But now that I have the field link for my MMM it's much more convenient to tune track side.

I just don't get some companies. If you are going to go through all the trouble to do something, why not do it right? Otherwise, it's just a waste of time and resources.

Well said Brian, Hobbywing went all out to make their esc look like the MMM but skimped on the things that matter the most. I will give them credit for their LCD program card it's much nicer than the Castle field link, that I will give them!

I may have to bud in and disagree with the brakes and "lurching" that you state these systems do. I own two 150amp XeRun from Kershaw designs and a 80amp Ezrun from nitrorcx.com. All three have smooth acceleration and great braking performance. I have been running the 150 with a 2075 kershaw motor geared 16/48 on a tekno 8ight indoor on a carpet track and I can smooth finger it down the straight to a smooth break at the end of the straight into the hard right all day. It has plenty of adjustability as well, I can't find anything to complain about it yet. As a disclaimer I also own a MMM and 2650 on a Caster Fusion and the performance difference in my opinion is not too different, or at least not enough to make a noticeable difference.

Hmm, maybe there is an issue with radio calibration or something in georgec's setup. I didn't doubt his findings based on my experience with the older EZRun 80.

I'm running mine sensored and it's smooth as can be . I got the programming card, and had to turn my brakes up to 75% , but they seem to have good modulation before locking up with a 2wd.

I didn't test it on carpet either! whether or not that would make any difference I'm not sure. Most of the tracks I run at are brick hard with marbles on top. As for the "lurch" it wasn't huge just irritating. I'm sure my old trigger finger isn't as nimble as it once was and that is where I found the MMM breaking to be more forgiving.

Maybe your neutral range is too wide, so it starts off with higher power giving you the lurching you speak of? As far as the brake goes, I have no idea. Maybe make sure your reverse EPA is set right (100%) and recalibrate?

I do not own any of the larger 8th scale systems right now, but I do own several 10th and 18th scale systems from Castle and EZrun. I prefer EZRun in almost every car I own for its smoothness and driveability. Its too bad to hear that this one did not perform as well as expected. I hope this is just a bad case and not the norm.

I'll agree those EZrun 60 amps have replaced almost all of the 1/10 scale short coarse truck systems at my local tracks.

I run 75% brake on my XERuns. I believe i have a higher setting on the punch too, I'll have to check. Ultimately I would say I am satisfied with the system. If there are some faults to it I would say that I probably don't notice them that greatly since I have learned it's characteristics and just adjusted myself to it, rather than the other way around.

Like Brian said calibration of your radio to the ESC could play some factor there as well.

I'm on the 150a with my RX8 motor on my truggy. I did not see any cogging nor did the braking effect affect me.

I would imagine the Xerun coupled with one of the Tekin sensored motor would work quite well.

I hope to outrun him this Sat. For the first time in over a year :oops: or I'll be buying the brews afterwards....again:eyes:

any updates george ???? i here the mmm is getting a wright roasting on traxxas forum http://monster.traxxas.com/showthread.php?t=516908 but of course it is user erorr . a not castles fault , .lol..