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superek4 03.13.2010 06:06 PM

Neu motors not as good?
 
I have a 1515/3d spoil due to short wires internally. Repair won't be cheap, it makes me think that neu motors are not suitable for off road as it has a wire issue.

Should I just use it as paper weight or repair it?

I am currently using my spare tekin 1550kv. No issue.

I am trying to sell my 1512/2.5 but no luck also, seems that neu hand madr motors are not as good as neu castle as they are build for cars?

I am Disappointed.

George16 03.13.2010 08:12 PM

Neu motors were designed for air applications hence Castle improved it more for land applications.

Send me your motor so I can use it as a paperweight in my office.

suicideneil 03.13.2010 08:23 PM

You could repair & resell it, but I'd be suprised if you made much money to recoup the repair fees- depends what Neu say about the failure after they inspect it- if they say it will cost alot of $, you can either pay them, get the motor sent back un-fixed, or tell 'em to keep it ( they will repair it if possible then resell it as a reburbished item ).

Ditto on what George said though, the neu design was never intended for cars and truck, so castle addressed the issues to make a more suitable motor for ground use..

superek4 03.13.2010 08:48 PM

Lol wat a expensive paper weight! I was told usually the cost will be half on the cost. How much is a square can 1515/3d?

suicideneil 03.13.2010 11:18 PM

Theres only one place I know that sells those, and they only have a 1515 1y for $99 ( must be getting rid of that line up or something ? ).

I'd contact neu and see what they say about your issue- wires shorting on the can has been fixed with newer neus by adding rubber grommets around the wires where they enter the can. Otherwise I think you're looking at maybe a tekin motor possibly for ~$170, or a used medusa if you get really lucky- Linc probably has something suitable for sale, you know what hes like for collecting motors :na:

superek4 03.13.2010 11:25 PM

Lol linc sold me this motor, It was working great till now. I pm linc but no reply. I will mail to neu n see what they say.

So far I hv a mint medusa 1600kv n tekin 1550kv.

suicideneil 03.13.2010 11:32 PM

Thats irony for you :lol:

If it was working fine when linc sold it to you, I'd say its just been worn down through use- you might get lucky with neu saying they will warrenty it, you may not. The other motors you have look like good canditates for 5 or 6s lipo, just gear accordingly- the medusa may suffer the same issue in future though if it has the wires coming out the back, so its worth adding some insulation to the wires either way- I dont like that they are tinned their whole length either, makes adjusting them kinda hard.

superek4 03.14.2010 12:00 AM

When he sold to me was ok, but less than 1/2 year with 1 race per month. If broke down:(

I hope neu won't charge me much if not it won't be worth it.

I got my medusa us$75 so ok for spare.

big greg 03.14.2010 02:42 AM

it is usually 50 bucks for the winding, they used to do stuff for free, then along came medusa/castle/tekin, nobody is buying this size of neu motors anymore, why when you can get a new tekin for 140 shipped?

superek4 03.14.2010 02:45 AM

Where can u buy tekin for $140 shipped?

big greg 03.14.2010 03:50 AM

towerhobbies.com with their discounts you get 25 off plus free shipping

jzemaxx 03.14.2010 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superek4 (Post 354800)
I have a 1515/3d spoil due to short wires internally. Repair won't be cheap, it makes me think that neu motors are not suitable for off road as it has a wire issue.

Should I just use it as paper weight or repair it?

I am currently using my spare tekin 1550kv. No issue.

I am trying to sell my 1512/2.5 but no luck also, seems that neu hand madr motors are not as good as neu castle as they are build for cars?

I am Disappointed.

Neu's are the best out there as far as efficiency and the only problem is the standard NEU cans are not suited to the vibrations of the cars. BUT, you can now call NEU and order it with the car application can (ala Tekno blue can). I just ordered all of mine with this option.

superek4 03.14.2010 06:44 PM

Mine is tekno square can. I was told it's the same just the can change, the wiring problem is still there.

chumanji 03.15.2010 03:50 AM

The neu motors aren't really intended for cars. Mine fail twice, both for the same problem...internal wires shorting out. And my motor is supposely updated rubber gormmet version. First time, they fix it for free since it was under warrenty. The second time they charge me $80. So I guess you can use that to factor in what you want to do with it.

BTW, stormerhobbies sells the tekin motor for $140. Or you can just get a CastleNeu, cheaper, none of those fail on me.

superek4 03.15.2010 04:03 AM

I will send it in, after repair I will sell away. I rather buy tekin it's cheaper.

nuz69 03.15.2010 05:31 AM

Hello,
I had the same problem with hard wires with an other motor (orion 2050kV). Shortwires internally and broken wires with vibrations. That's why i decided to change for a Castle motor with soft wires.
Moreover the neu motors have open can, which isn't very good for offroad application :(
The only pro of the neu is its efficiency, some people says here (FRANCE) that neu motor is 90% efficient, and castle motor 87%, but we didn't check, you have maybe more reliable numbers....
Buy a Castle 1520, perfect for truggy ;)

superek4 03.15.2010 10:01 AM

Yeah regretted getting a neu. Tekin is much cheaper n better

nuz69 03.15.2010 10:18 AM

Hum, the tekin motors are a little weak, compare to Castle.
Tekin buggy motors : 1200Watts
Tekin Truggy motors : 1400Watts
Castle 1515 1Y 2200kV : 1500Watts
Castle 1520 1Y 1600kV : 1800-2000Watts
And tekin rotors...... :(

superek4 03.15.2010 10:24 AM

Well I m using 6s n I use 1550kv it's already very fast!

nuz69 03.15.2010 10:45 AM

Yes ^^
But with a motor more powerfull your temps would be lower and the run times maybe longer. But if the tekin truggy 1550kV keep his temp under 140-150°F during summer, that's good.

superek4 03.15.2010 10:51 AM

I prefer higher voltage with low kv motor great temp.

nuz69 03.15.2010 10:52 AM

Yes, When will Castle build a 1520 2D 1300kV motor ??? :(

superek4 03.15.2010 11:03 AM

Tekin is still cheaper

suicideneil 03.16.2010 02:05 AM

Feigao is even cheaper though, but....

Whatever works best for the individual & whatever is easily available too. It sucks having to pay for recorded shipping to return motors etc, but you dont wanna loose something that expensive either.

In europe, I'd say look into the lehners, hackers and those other german motors that people were interested in recently, cant remember the name thoough...

andreazinno 03.16.2010 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suicideneil (Post 355613)
In europe, I'd say look into the lehners, hackers and those other german motors that people were interested in recently, cant remember the name thoough...

Plettenberg. The ony "Pletty" suited for a Monster is probably the BigMaxximum, very expensive (309 euro in Europe) but, probably, one of the best motor so far.

Bye, Andrea.

superek4 03.16.2010 01:50 PM

Wow it's damm expensive! I can buy afew tekin n castle for spares.

suicideneil 03.16.2010 06:54 PM

Heh heh, I wasnt actually thinking of the Pletts- those are nice motors but way more expensive. Nah, its another brand of ( I think ) German motors- either 4 pole or 6 pole, but a bit shorter than the usual stuff we use- sort of buggy sized motors at most...

el tomaso 03.17.2010 02:09 PM

Mega motors?

TG

Andrewg 03.17.2010 09:44 PM

Were you using timing in that motor?

Neus repairs are pretty economical – I sent motors in recently and they updated parts for free. Not mingy parts the stator and winding. IME they replace the hard wires with softwires no for no cost.

Alternativley ask Neu about a 1400 series motor in exchange for the repair of the 1500 – the deal is good All the same attributes and lighter again but with a sealed can. I have guys using these in 1/8's and loving blowing the doors off the nitros.

Neu's have a heap of invisible extras that you can access if you set them up (but for off road the 1500s need a cover - air filter foam or similar on endplates).

* same output for less energy use than Chinese motors - especially in the low amp ranges cars spend their time -15-20% extra runtime
* high efficiency down to about 10 amps (cars usually only average 20-30 amps when raced) the chinese motors are 50% or so at those amp levels so thay tend ot run hot
* about 8% more torque
* very high power handling - the Chinese motors are falling away quickly over 80 amps Neus hit the same problems about 150
* for the same size motors the Neus are lighter - better power to weight better acceleration and handling
* the big addition to their value is the extra they get out of the same cells

Set the car up correctly and you can realize all these benefits.

Email me if you like - andrew@fastelectrics.com and I can give you a couple of tips on making the Neu motor work better still for you.

Don’t give the motor away – because the person who gets it will repair it for a little money and blow by you and run longer next weekend

suicideneil 03.17.2010 10:12 PM

Quote:

Mega motors?
Nope, I had a bit of a look around and couldnt find them- I dont think they were any cheaper really so not worth pursuing really.

On a side note; Shawn Palmer now works for Speed Passion? Wah? Thats either a good thing ( get them producing decent escs and motors ), or a bad thing ( good guy, lousy company/ escs etc ).

That said, they apparenty have some new motors in development that look promising- heres the thread over at rctech:

http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...shless-51.html

Intreguing to say the least...

phatmonk 03.18.2010 06:08 PM

Well I have a Tekno Neu 1515/1.5D/F that the rotor shattered into pieces.Now I have had this motor for 2 years and Neu fixed the motor free under warranty.I just paid shipping.

superek4 03.18.2010 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phatmonk (Post 356019)
Well I have a Tekno Neu 1515/1.5D/F that the rotor shattered into pieces.Now I have had this motor for 2 years and Neu fixed the motor free under warranty.I just paid shipping.

When was that? 1-2years ago?

phatmonk 03.18.2010 08:05 PM

Allmost 2 years.

superek4 03.18.2010 11:21 PM

That's great but when I emailed them I was told not more than half the motor's price. That's us$120.

Abnew tekin is us$140 only.

himalaya 03.19.2010 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George16 (Post 354823)
Neu motors were designed for air applications hence Castle improved it more for land applications.

Send me your motor so I can use it as a paperweight in my office.

+1 on this.

Castle greatly improved the "original" Neu, made it sealed, with larger bearings, have flexible wires, brilliant look, and slightly higher max power, and most of all, with better prices. :yes:

superek4 03.19.2010 05:10 AM

That's y I m trying to sell my neu motors n buy castle n tekin

nuz69 03.19.2010 05:16 AM

I am not sure that Castle motor 1515 1Y can handle more power than a Neu 1515 1Y. The efficiency of the neu seems to be little better too but its maybe because its open can...

superek4 03.19.2010 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuz69 (Post 356076)
I am not sure that Castle motor 1515 1Y can handle more power than a Neu 1515 1Y. The efficiency of the neu seems to be little better too but its maybe because its open can...

I m sure neu is better than castle as it's hand made but I still think castle is cheaper n built for off road.

The ep esc is already very effcient so the only weak point is the motor wiring

nuz69 03.19.2010 09:48 AM

That's exactly why my mbx5T will get a 1520 castle motor instead of a 1521 neu motor !


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