late to the 2wd game, what truck to buy
 

ok, i know i'm darn late to this. I want to race short course this season as i have no monster truck class in so oregon. (poor g2r is now shelf queen).

I bought a slash to apease a friend with a short course track. however, i'm tired of his whining and unwillingness to change or upgrade or even spend a dollar. I like to hop things up logically. Now i wanna be competitve at our local track (rpm hobbies medford OR). Seems like when i ask for advice locally it isn't always logical but seems to result in imenent sales for shops. ie i want the very best 2wd short course i can afford, not just what they have in stock. I'd rather not go rtr route as i don't want to replace everything from start. i know i wanna go brushless and gear it for track, so i don't care about doing 50 mph or whatnot. I want a track only vehicle. I've always been associated guy, and am somewhat satisfied with my brushless slash. how are the blitz, kyosho, sc10 trucks. Pros and Cons please,

some more of my q's
best ESC MOTOR combo (so far i'm thinkin mmp for esc)
TIRES- what works best sc wheels tires or 1/8 buggy setup?

i just want the recipe for winning, i know driving and tune have lots to do with everything, but thats a welcome challenge
sorry such long winded, thanks for the advice

Medford, nice! im originally from grants pass but am in Klamath Falls for school, only raced the track there once, pretty nice though.

What what I've seen, a Slash with the right setup is VERY hard to beat. I've read alot of reviews and a Slash with the Proline shocks and suspension setup are supposed to be one of the best handling setups out there. That would be my route for sure. As for motor/esc, I'd go MMP most likely and a Neu 1512. As for tires, I'd say 1/8 is the best way to go, but some tracks don't allow them.

i'd go for the hpi blitz ese.

the blitz is much lighter than the slash and needs less motor to get it going good. runtimes and temps are better as well. i'm using a cheapo ezrun 12t 3300kv motor (380 sized) on 3s and it temps at 120-140F on 3s geared 19/88

all you would have to do to get it race-worthy is get better tires and you are good to go.

At my local track, an hour away, the hot ticket seems to be the Blitz. However I too am an associated fan and just bought a SC10 RTR last week. I talked to the top racer at the track and he said that alot of people are running the blitz right now but the SC10 is the next most popular truck. Naturally if 8 out of 10 people are running a Blitz it winds up winning more races. I'll keep my sc10 though!

+1 on the SC10, although I have never raced a Blitz I hear they are good as well. I was just at a race this weekend and was supposed to run in stock slash but that class didnt run due to lack of entries, so I was bumped to open CORR. I ran my RTR SC10 which is bone stock, threw on a set of calibers and a GTB with Orion 10.5 (on 2s) and ran in the open class. With the class being open everyone but one other person was running a 4wd corr truck jammin, ofna, slash 4x4, etc. . I managed to qualify 2nd in the B main (I'm not that great of a driver), by the end of the first lap I was in first and steadily pulling away from the field, I had a well over 12 second lead by mid race and finished on my own lap. No one could believe that I was out there with a basically stock 2wd truck and pulling away from people, my sc10 was just on rails it was running geat, so I would highly recommend it. Note this was also an 1/8 scale track with some pretty big air and I didnt break a thing on the sc10 all weekend.

If I needed something today I would get a blitz. If I could wait a little bit I would wait for the sc10 factory team or the blitz ese.

this is why i love this site, all kinds of answers and none of them bad. keep em comin guys. So i've sold a bunch of revo parts today so i got some cash to unload on this project. Being the Vain moron i am, i quickly went out and bought a j-concepts manta sc body. Still don't know which way i'm gonna go yet so i appreciate all the input.
kinda sounding like sc10 = 6 and Blitz = half dozen
probably bump my slash back to stock for that class alone
i was drooling over the FT SC10 except for the june(which means later) release date.

props to the 4wd spankin sc10 driver:bad:

thanks agian yallz

I had a Slash over a year ago, tough as nails but the handleing and COG was left to be desired. I've seen good drivers with the Proline upgrade and WOW what a great handleing truck it turned into !
I currently own a SC10 and run 1/8 buggy wheels with Caliber M3's with a Velineon and M.M. on 2s. I can get 35minutes from a 5000mah pack. Handles awesome, jumps well etc etc. I've always had T4's so I naturally took the SC10's format and enjoy it thoroughly.
I bought my buddy a Blitz for his birthday and he can't drive worth a shizz but that blitz goes where he points it ! I have driven it myself and was highly impressed with it in stock form. The ESE would be the bomb I'd bet ?

:intello: Thanks, I was kinda proud of myself considering I'm not a great driver and haven't had much practice time in the last year or so. The SC10 just seems to fit my driving style perfectly.

I would also recommend the Factory Team SC10 if you can wait, but as you mentioned it will probably be mid summer before they are readily available. I would be interested in trying a blitz as I keep hearing really great things about them handling and durability wise. Although my SC10 ran on an 1/8 scale track all weekend and didn't break one part, I did bend a camber link in practice when I got run into by an 1/8 e-buggy going over a table top, but we bent it straight on pit road and it was fine ever since. The only changes I made to the truck were putting a basic setup on it that I got off of AE's site and cleaned the grease out of the rear diff and filled with 40wt shock oil and a squirt of 2000wt diff oil. Other than that I didnt touch it.

[QUOTE=FastXR;360034The only changes I made to the truck were putting a basic setup on it that I got off of AE's site and cleaned the grease out of the rear diff and filled with 40wt shock oil and a squirt of 2000wt diff oil. Other than that I didnt touch it.[/QUOTE]

Sorry I forgot to congraduate you on doing so well with the 4WD guys.

Your diff mod, how has it helped compared to the black grease, very curious ?

Thanxs

I actually have some video footage of the race, I'll see if I can post it up somewhere tonight, you can see how the truck ran (and my lousy driving :lol:).

The diff mod seemed to help quite a bit, I may go to a thicker oil yet as it seemed to still wanted to diff out under acceleration and spin out if I got on it just a fraction too quick. I found info on what to use on RCTech, I may try it again and add a little more of the 2000wt diff oil and a little less shock oil. I was def. smoother than the grease. Or I may just go the ball diff route and not have to worry about it.

i've heard good things about the pro-line slash stuff out there. my only question with it is if the wheels are not readily available ? as i understand it once you go the pro-line susp package you have to use those wheels, could i use adapters for 1/8 buggy wheel/tires with their package? it seems like it could limiting. Anywho all slashes aside, i think i'm waiting for the BLITZ ESE. This is seeming so logical. If i could i would do a blitz ese and a
FTSC10 with the same electronics.

IMO,there is NO best 2WD sc truck-they all have their good and bad points.If
I had to choose one that comes close to being the ideal choice,I would nominate the HPI BLITZ.It is almost as well balanced as the AE SC10,fairly low center of gravity and is nearly as tough as the Slash 2WD.The stock Maxxis tires are a good starting point for use on a variety of surfaces.As far as B/L motor/esc combos are concerned,I like to stay in the 3000kv-5000kv range for the motor and an ESC no less than 60 AMPS.I have a few S/C trucks and they are listed here.
2WD:
Slash 2WD=Xcelorin 4800kv motor/EZrun 80amp ESC/Proline Split Six/Bowties.
AE SC10=VXL 3500kv combos/stock wheels and tires.
AE SC10=XErun 3200kv sensored motor/60amp ESC/stock wheels and tires.
HPI Blitz=Xcelorin 4800kv motor/EZrun 80amp ESC/stock wheels and tires.
ALL are run on 6000mah 30c 2s hardcase Lipos.
4WD:
Slash 4X4=stock.

Hobao Hyper 10 SC=Novak HV PRO 6.5T combo/stock wheels and tires.
Hobao Hyper 10 SC=Mamba Max 4600kv combo/stock wheels and tires.
If you want an all round motor/ESC combo,the VXL 3500kv combo is as good a starting point as any.The info is only based on my own personal experiences and what has worked for me.

Anyone been around the Kyosho Ultima? I have been hearing good things about it.. I am in the same boat.. I have the urge I want to buy something.. I have a brushless slash which I might just revamp some with the pro line suspension.. There is a local guy with a brushless blitz and dx3s for 350 that I had thought about buying.. So many choices..

thanks everybody, lets keep the great info comin. i'm still waiting and selling some more of my 18t's and b4's and a xxx-t. however i did go buy some rear pre mounted bowties for my slash. I almost got the fronts too. But, it seemed stupid to have expensive front tires on a 2wd. Is this just me being over logical? should i get bowties up front for racing ? Is there a front tire out there like on my older 2wd's (grooved)? I want my cake, and i want to eat it too.



i'm buying a used vxl esc with 3300 kv. for a backup
I also got a lipo 7.4 5000mah by veneom (good ?).
And tamiya PS-55 spray can, to give body a flat or matte apearance.

The Ultima did very well in the short course comparison by RC car action (pretty sure that was the mag?) They stacked it up against the Blitz, Slash, SC10 and if I remember correctly the fastest lap times came from the Ultima. I would have to re-read the article to see how much any of the trucks were altered from stock.

yup the kyosho dominated the trucks in the "out of the box" issue. in part 2 they hopped them all up with available factory parts, and the same power systems, then sc10 dominated. However, this was not completely fair, since the sc10 had many upgraded parts. the kyosho was still new and not many available.

so, i am gonna race my slash, and pick up a roller sc10, just received my mmp (thanks mike). and due to get my tekin 17.5 today. practice tomorrow, qualify sat, heats sunday. Oregon RC nitro tour in Medford Oregon.:surprised:

some great info... I dont have the cash to get the 4x4 and i am looking at a 2wd but was a little worried about it. The blitz i can pick up quite cheap and looks like people rate it highly.

Just 1 question...
How do these RWD version handle compared to the 4wd? Are they still controllable as 2wd without spinning out all the time?

THANKS

ANY 2wd requires a much smoother throttle finger but the trucks can be set up to handle very well despite it. All 4wd's are much more forgiving and easier to drive.

Thank you for that... The SC Truck such as the blitz and slash are extremley appealing considering the beating they can take!

I think the blitz will be the one for me. I will run it mostly stock but as with my savage it will probably be hopped up in no time.

What sort of speeds can you expect to achieve on a 3s stock RWD blitz or slash? (am i right in sayng the blitz and slash use basically the same motor?

Befor we go any further what are your intentions with the Blitz, Race or Bash ?

Both come brushed and not real sure either of the brushed ESC's can do 3s ?

OH REALLY!!!! i didnt know that... thanks for making me aware of that!

Only Bash... High Jumps, and would like some speed as well.

Looks like a motor swap and stronger ESC would be needed! So i guess stock, they can handle 2s correct? Sounds like a 35-40mph top speed on 2s?

I think that speed is even pushing it on 2s, yeah you can gear up and do it but you'll have heat issues.

Just drop in a BL set up and you have all the power and speed you'll want and need.
Personally I think the Slash is the toughest of the bunch but the Blitz will handle better out of the box due to a lower COG and design.

i would usually drop in a Neu motor and prob use an MMM, but as i want to do this on the cheap and explore other brands, what would be a decent motor/esc setup which is good for 3s?

Mamba Max Pro and a TRX Velineon 3500kv BL motor would be a excellent choice.

When I got into short course trucks about 12 months ago the biggest difference I noticed was that being rear wheel 2WD you actually have to DRIVE them! They are completely different to my 4WD trucks and it took a bit of readjustment to get used to it.Having said that,it sharpens the concentration and I believe makes for a better driver all round.

Interesting... thanks for that ausjethro.
I am just a little let down by the supplied motor, but i guess it could work temporarily.

Go to the TRX website and maybe you can con yourself into a 4x4 Slash ?
It comes BL and w/2.4 radio and really isn't a much more than a 2wd Slash considering what your getting extra for the money ? Its a good dam deal.