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coolhandcountry 03.29.2006 06:40 PM

One esc two motors
 
If you try to run two brushless motors off one esc how would do it. I do know you have to get the motors in sync with one another. How would you go about doing that? I know you have to watch that the two motors don't draw to many amps as well. I am not sure there would be an advantage to this but it is worth testing.

Sylvester 03.29.2006 07:33 PM

I dont know, but if you have 400$ to test than please do so, but i think that the 2 motors will overheat the controller, and timing the motors wont be such a easy cookie either.

coolhandcountry 03.29.2006 08:41 PM

the over heating does no bother me. The timing of the two does. I am not sure how to go about timing them.

Serum 03.30.2006 06:55 AM

It can be done, as long as they are 1:1 mechanically connected. (thru gears or something)

You can position the rotor by using a small DC power supply or a mild power delivering battery (no 20 cells GP3700's) and connect them to two of the wires of the motor, do the same with the other, and the rotor is positioning itself into the right position. As long as they are equal.

coolhandcountry 03.30.2006 12:20 PM

OKay. I got you. I was thinking about that but wasn't sure if it would work out. I am thinking of trying a couple of 14l on a 36120 if it don't sell. I will let you know more later. Thanks rene.

Tazz 03.30.2006 02:06 PM

Here is a setup with brushed motors.
http://www.ultimatetraxxas.com/i/ema...ompartment.jpg

Serum 03.30.2006 02:38 PM

Brushed differs a lot in this Tazz.

Brushless isn't working on the DC that normal brushed motors do, they work with a complex controller, that divides the DC over three phases using a puls width modulation (PWM)

A stock e-maxx uses two parallel motors on one controller too.

coolhandcountry 03.30.2006 02:46 PM

That is cool but not the same like rene said. How many volts should i use to get the rotors lined up. And does it matter if I have the north and south pole part of the magnet the same.

Serum 03.30.2006 02:53 PM

Yeah, you need to keep the + and - of the batteries the same, that is essential. as is using the same wires coming from the motor!

that way only will make the rotors line up alike.

Just start with 2 AA batteries in series. my guess is these will do the job.

coolhandcountry 03.30.2006 03:01 PM

OKAY!!
Sounds like we may have a go plan. Hmmm. I need another 14L for this project. I guess it if don't work I can get another 7020 and run twins on it. :D :027:

GriffinRU 04.02.2006 12:32 AM

It would work only with the same motor (size/turns).

You do not need anything, just connect motor wires together and spin one motor shaft, another will follow. Then mark both shaft with permanent marker or make a scratch. Now you set to run them both from one ESC.

Do not worry about overheating, because now both motors will work half the previous load. But if you plan to push the limits you should select ESC based on twice the current ratings of both motors.

Dual BL from single ESC works the best with sensored setup. In sensoreless applications in some cases you will have problems with glitches on low RPM and start due to the fact of not precise matching of both motors. And motor shafts secure connection is the must.

Good Luck! Done that – Love it! You should to :)

Artur

coolhandcountry 04.02.2006 07:56 AM

How could I go about getting them more precise aurtur? I am planning on a couple of 14L for this and they rated like 44 amps. I think I will give it a go.

GriffinRU 04.02.2006 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandcountry
How could I go about getting them more precise aurtur? I am planning on a couple of 14L for this and they rated like 44 amps. I think I will give it a go.

When you connect them via spur and pinions together, they should spin freely without any hesitation. If not then you need to move 1-2 tooth left-right until that happen and for identical (14L and 14L) motor you should track each-other very good; precisely I will say. You should be fine with 14L, startup problems with higher inductance motor should be less visible.

Artur

coolhandcountry 04.08.2006 03:45 PM

Well I was setting around and pulled out the 14L motor. I took a single aa battery and touched two wires on it. The rotor positioned itself. I turned it half a turn and did it again. It went back to the same position. I think this may be the best way to line them up. 1.2 volts is more than enough to align them up. Now I jsut need another nemisis motor 14L.

GriffinRU 04.08.2006 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandcountry
Well I was setting around and pulled out the 14L motor. I took a single aa battery and touched two wires on it. The rotor positioned itself. I turned it half a turn and did it again. It went back to the same position. I think this may be the best way to line them up. 1.2 volts is more than enough to align them up. Now I jsut need another nemisis motor 14L.

You still need to solder two motors together :)
Once you do that no batteries will require for matching...

Artur

coolhandcountry 04.09.2006 09:58 AM

Well it is going to a emaxx trans. The motors share the same spur. I plan on running them off a esc with double wires so when hooked together will try to phase them together. I just need another motor now.

GriffinRU 04.09.2006 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandcountry
Well it is going to a emaxx trans. The motors share the same spur. I plan on running them off a esc with double wires so when hooked together will try to phase them together. I just need another motor now.

Attach both motors to e-maxx tranny without pinions, solder wires from ESC to motor wires. Do not apply power to anything, just rotate by hand one motors shaft and second one will get into exact matching position. Get your ruler, hold it against shafts and draw the line on shafts. Now you set and good to go, do not forget to mark up and down sides on shaft. Check for spin directions as well...

Artur

lincpimp 11.03.2007 02:01 AM

Hey griffin, do you think that this would work with 2 aveox motors? I have a pair of 27 series 2000kv motors that I wanted to run on an emaxx tranny on 5s thru a quark 125.

GriffinRU 11.03.2007 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincpimp (Post 126799)
Hey griffin, do you think that this would work with 2 aveox motors? I have a pair of 27 series 200kv motors that I wanted to run on an emaxx tranny on 5s thru a quark 125.

Make sure that wires from motor to motor are shorter then from motors to ESC.
I am assuming that motors are identical in terms of Kv and construction. To check how close they are to be identical, solder them together and spin the shaft by hand. If it spins freely with no hiccups and second motor follows then you have pretty good match, otherwise one of the motors will be dumping that difference into the heat and creating challenge for the ESC.

P.S. We do not have propellers here and vehicles with props do not have differentials between props either, just wheels and mud :)


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