New castle brusless system?
 

It seams ay cadtle just realised a new brushless system for short course http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXAETT&P=7

Although it's not on the castle web sure yet so can this be accsudently leaked by tower?

If not there is a typo in the max voltage as it says a lip is 4.8v

CC stated a while back they were developing a SC setup.

Seems like a MMP without the fan. As the ESC castle makes for HPI

http://www.hpiracing.com/products/en/1151/

That's a sidewinder in the HPI link as is the new combo with the 1410 motor.

That is a great combo... Affordable 540 size 4-Pole motor. Way To Go Castle!!!! I am adding this to cart now in case the price goes up...

I Actually believe the Tower link is a MMPro... It says 25v Max Input... but could be wrong...

I'm excited to see the 1410!

I guess that was the topsecret motor Patrick couldnt talk about back along- 4 pole vxl replacement anyone? :yipi:

no, look at the wires, it is a sidewinder...

moor sizes of 14** motors please:angel: maybe a few sensored ones??

It would be nice if CC could make all of their motors so that a sensor "plate" could be attached to their current motors...

I agree, its a beefed Sidewinder. A MMP would drive the price to around $150 or higher.

A big Hell Yeah for castle. Nice to see some smaller potent motors coming into the market that don't cost and arm and leg, and a 25 volt sidewinder to boot!

There is something wrong. 1409 is 57mm long but on towerhobbies 1410 motor is 53mm long:oops:

Not necessarily something wrong. If you have ever owned a Neu motor you would know there is a lot of empty space at each end of the windings inside the can that is thus included in the dimensions of the can. Castle probably just did away with some of the empty space (especially on the back end).

I believe this is a misprint, I'll have to double check with the engineers, but I'm pretty sure this is a misprint. That combo is only designed to run on a 2s LiPo.

Remember the **09 vs **10 is the length of the stator inside the motor, not the length of the motor itself. Like ta_man mentioned, I believe we have reduced the spacing inside the motor and fit more into a smaller package. I'll double check one with a pair of calps and find out for sure.

Thomas Porfert
Castle Tech Support

Hey Thomas, Will the motor be available seperately? I have a associated T4 and would like to run that motor

The 1410 motor is what I need!!

Thats a quote is from the Tower description.Whats the length of the wire from the ESC to the motor?Will it be possible to just buy the motor?

Yes that motor is probably a Ripper in something like a Rustler... Guess the GF will need some more practice first... LOL

Why is this limited to 2s? just cause its paired with a lower spec'd ESC? Will this be paired with any other Combos?
I bet that motor on 3s is where the fun starts and 4s for just plain silliness... LOL

Who said it was limited to 2S? http://www.castlecreations.com/products/sidewinder.html

3S for the "existing" 4600, so I'd bet 4S is reasonable for the 3600.

ON EDIT....I didn't see that "The MAN" responded earlier today! OOOPS!!! Guess it is just a 2S system. huh......

I'm guessing thats some roar hang up - I highly doubt Patrick would re-tool/spec for another ESC - My guess is that it is a stock sidewinder and hence 3S capable and 4s abusable (with BEC) like the good old MM days...

Really wanna get my hands on 1 of these motors to run in my Hyper 10 SC or Slash 4X4 with a MMP.Need any Beta testers?

no kidding:lol: would love to run one in my two kyosho sc's w/ my mmpros! then i could get rid of these crummy roar motors in them. plus i prefer sensorless anyway despite people telling me its better...... whatever. i will take more power any day, my trigger finger does all the smoothin out for me! only place i ever notice it is at super low speeds and my rigs spend very little time in that range.

could also be that the load of the 1410 (essentially a 15 series motor in a smaller can), is a good load on the esc and pushing the voltage would be too much for the esc to handle. Just a guess

Castle dudes

Are there still plans for a sensored 1415/1Y based combo, perhaps matched with an MMP ?

Cheers

That's actually the next combo to be offered. Sensorless first, then a sensored version.

Sensored isn't really necessary (especially with a good 4 pole motor), and let's us put a longer rotor and stator into the same size motor.

Actually, no. :)

This is a completely new ESC that happens to fit in the Sidewinder case.

It handles about 50% more power than the original Sidewinder -- but still has a standard linear BEC -- so limited to about 3S on the ESC.

The combo (with 1410 motor) is designed to be ROAR legal for racing on 2S systems. -- We designed the motor specifically to cram as much stator/rotor as possible into the ROAR legal case size.

My 1509/1Y 3600kv was a monster in my Rustler on 2s and scary on 4s. Thats a very potent motor for it size!




Patrick, while I agree with whats said, there is a large population of racer that "Must have" the sensored setups. "It's much smoother and more predictable" as they say.

I appreciate all you guys hard work and new offerings!! Thanks!!

That's just people who believe the propaganda offered by other companies -- sensored/sensorless only makes a difference for the first 1/100th of a second during startup. Once the motor is turning, it makes no difference AT ALL.

I try telling them differently that its only on the initial startup and fades out immediately but they don't listen.

Either way, I think this could be a big seller to these guys.


On a side note, any clue on when the big sale will be?

Lol oh well...

I guess this must finally be close to the end of the mamba Max then. They have about the same power handling or do
You still have lots of boards, heatsinks and cases?

The truth hurts for some people I guess. Just because it's not a specific "color" or tagged as a "racing" speedo people will believe what they hear. I tend to believe things I can see and feel but racers are fickle and tend to think Equipment makes them better drivers. Props on all the great new products. Can't wait for the new motors.

That's true... somewhat. I've found slow speed control and braking smoother with a sensored setup. To be fair, sensorless algorithms have come a LONG way in just a couple years, and the difference between sensored/sensorless is all but nonexistent for racing, speed runs, etc. But for very low speed control (like when I turn the EPA to 10% when my 2 year old wants to play), that extra smoothness makes quite a difference.

I can believe that -- if you are starting and stopping a LOT at very low power, the sensored system will be smoother (but not by much --)

But -- does anyone actually run that way? (Unless, of course, a 2 year old is driving. :lol:)

Well the "racers" must if they all swear by the sensored setups. Sorry for being so blunt but you can tell I'm sick of people coming to me at the track and telling me how much faster and better I could be with a sensored setup when they really have no idea.

#raises hand# You know what I want Patrick.

Dual packaged brushed/brushless sensored 6s capable ESC with 6V (adjustable) switching BEC from CCBEC (not the MMPro BEC) with a single brains board which will allow independent and linked throttle between the two outputs in the package of a single MMPro 1 Cell...

Close?

PS Any success drawing up the dual brushed idea?

You crawler guys are too picky... :whistle::whistle:

me,i like the slow speed control!!

lol, I suppose the majority of people don't go 2mph on purpose. My girl is not quite 2 and she loves playing with my trucks. Unfortunately, only my Losi Ten-T is the only vehicle (has a Tekin buggy system - sorry Patrick :oops:) I can set to go this slow and have anything close to good startup.

I do use a MMM on a Tekin 1700kv buggy motor on 5s in an Xray truggy to pull my girl around in her wagon (we go for 4-5 mile walks) and startup could be a bit smoother. It's not bad if a goose it, but she doesn't appreciate having to wear a neck brace. :smile:

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and can we make it red too?

But seriously, you would be the king of the crawler world if you did Patrick. :diablo: