Real 17mm hexes
 

Is there a solution for this yet? Man, I can't stand these locknuts. I've already rounded 2 of them. I'm not a big fan of Integy but I might have to give these a try if I have no other choice:

http://www.integy.com/st_prod.html?p...46&p_catid=202

Go up to 23mm hubs ?

Yeah but that means I have to go 40 series. In that case I might as well go 24mm and slap some 5b's on there. I was hoping to keep this build light too.

I've seen it mentioned that
HPI-38305: Wheel Axle 8x11x47mm (from Savage 5T)
http://www.hpieurope.com/piw.php?lang=en&partNo=38305
could be used in a savage so that 'normal' 17mm mounts like the ones on the Vorza could be used. I haven't seen reports from anyone who has actually tried it though.

I don't have much trouble with the stock Flux nuts but the proper 17mm nuts would be easier to work with i think. Anyone know if there are other off the shelf solutions other than the Integy one? The Integy ones look to come in a variety of offsets too which could be handy.

Interesting.
 

Actually those do look interesting. These look pretty cool as well.
http://www.integy.com/st_prod.html?p...09&p_catid=108

I think I may have to make a purchase from Integy as well.

Hmmm, something to note. None of those hex hubs are list in the Flux section http://www.integy.com/st_main.html?p_catid=267

So what exactly is the issue with the stock 17mm's? Is it just the nut on the outside? If that is it, I would have agreed with you right after I got my Flux, but after running it for a couple years, it is the only truck I have had that I have NOT lost a wheel. Hence, I live with the small nuts...:lol:

I guess it's just the annoyance. I swap wheels and tires all the time so a 17mm hex would be a lot more convenient. I did find some random Kyosho hexes in my parts and it fit the axle perfectly with no play at all. I just need a barrel nut to secure it to the axle itself. Anywas I'm going to do some research on the 5T axles, if not I might just test out the Integy's.

There are still 23mm maxx sized rims availible ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pro-Line-Velocit...item2307940f43

Those 5T axles are interesting. Too bad they aren't avail in US, and they are horribly expensive from Europe.

those 5t axles are just truggy axles... any 1/8 buggy or truggy uses them... i just converted my Mad force to them... work wonderfully :)

hyper 7 ones are dirt cheap too... and more than strong enough for crazy bashing :)

I'm talking about the axles, not the hexes. That's why the axles are nice, then you can use the more universal 'uggy hexes.

They have offset hexes too to gain more width if needed.

There are a number of cheap integy hexes on ebay. They have upto 9mm offset, but there is one set that goes upto 12mm offset, but is not on Integy's ebay store. There used to be a number of hexes for the hypers that had large offsets too, but I can't seem to find them anymore.

*** I was referring to the integy uggy hex hubs earlier.

IDK about the Savage ones. The only concern I would have would be what they are using as a sleeve for the axle threads, esp for such a large offset. I had ofna hex adapters for the revo way back when and the steel threads ate into the soft alu of the hub and eventually caused wobbling. I eventually made my own sleeve for the threads from 7075 tubing, but never tested it long term to see if would hold up better.

Found the thread:

http://www.savage-central.com/module...wtopic&t=86983

Just waiting to get a response from somebody. I don't mind spending the money on them as long as they work.

So I guess those 5t axles do fit but they need to be shimmed behind the pin. Not so sure if I like the idea of that. I guess these are the only 2 choices:

http://www.integy.com/st_prod.html?p...007&p_catid=59

or

http://www.integy.com/st_prod.html?p...44&p_catid=202

Are these Flux axles the same size as the 4x4 Slash axles? The AKA 17mm adapters would work out perfectly if the threaded part of the axle were the same size.

So some truggies use the same size dogbones as a Flux? They are 11mm ball ends.

So what we would need are some nice cheap truggy axles and 17mm hex hubs that can handle the power. Axles should have dimemsions of 8mm diameter axle with cup to take 11mm ball from dogbone and hex hub pin hole about 14mm from the back of the cup.

Well, I found what I was looking for:

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/u...09014Large.jpg

Found this on another forum. Looks like the Integy Alloy Hex Adapters work perfectly. Here's the link to them:

http://www.integy.com/st_prod.html?p...007&p_catid=59
:yipi:

Looks like it adds a bit of offset. Bit pricey compared to the other Integy ones with larger offsets.

Love it.
 

I love the way that looks. Seems pretty stiff with no play, and it looks like it belongs on there. I have some other maufacturers adapters, but I will have to try a set of these as well for comparison.

Yup just ordered a set today. Integy has some other adapters with a wider offset but these look beefier a lot beefier.

On a side note I just rounded all my lock nuts on the Flux and ruined 2 of my 8mm hex drivers trying to get them off. Another reason why I need to go 17mm. Anybody have an idea how I can get these lock nuts off without damaging my wheels or axle?

Vicegrips
 

VICEGRIPS OR SOME SORT OF PROFESSIONAL NUT REMOVER. There are several options available and if you are a serious hobbyist I would have a few options in ones toolbox. I keep various forms of stud and nut removers on hand, because this hobby always has its challenges.

Do you have a link to those nut removers? Looks like I'll buy some small vices tonight. My larger vices wouldnt fit onto it without hitting my wheels.

Nut, bolt, stud removers.
 

There are many options to chose from depending on the size of bolt, nut, stud. You can also dig deeper and find miniature tools for very small hardware, but some of these work just fine for my Maxx trucks.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10...ame=&intShip=1

http://www.dynamitetoolco.com/Produc..._7cLIL_d_19250

Well I got the nuts removed :lol: I went to Home Depot and bought $120 in tools. Managed to remove 2 nuts with a new hex driver and the other 2 with the nut remover. I'm returning the rest of the impulse buy tools tomorrow. Too bad the nut removers came in a whole kit that cost almost $60... and there's only 1 size I can use for RCs. Oh well.

My Integy adapters are coming tomorrow, if not the day after. I'll get some pics up and see what the + and - are about it and measure the offset. Hopefully there's no slop with these on. We'll see.

wow those actually look like real good quality from integy!

I was just thinking though that when installed, it is pushed up agsint the end part of teh bearing... does it offer any restriction or friction when turning? or is the centre of the bearing not in contact wth the hex?
These seem like a much better idea than the XL Axles!
do these fit onto stock axles or xl axles?

Should be for the stock Flux axles. Hopefully I didnt miss anything in that thread because now I cant find it. I'm sure the spacing between the bearing shouldn't be an issue. We'll find out soon enough though

Given that.
 

Given that they have been around for a while now I would expect that there is either a gap between the two or a raised lip that presses on the inner race just like so many of the others are designed to do. From the looks of that pic they will work just fine, and hold up better than what I have seen previously. Let us know how it works out once you have them in hand and installed on your rig.

OK guys, here ya go:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0421.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0422.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0423.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0425.jpg

So these guys fit great! There is maybe a .75mm space between the bearing and the adapter but it spins with no binding. They feel pretty solid. It does add 10mm offset on each side, which was nice. What I didn't like was the color. They look like gunmetal in the pictures. In reality its a nasty metallic green with a rainbow shine. You just can't tell from the pictures. Kinda looks like stainless steel thats been exposed to extreme heat. With the barrel nuts locked in it doesnt fit flush with the end of the adapter. My chassis doesnt get here until next week and I still dont have a motor mount so it'll be a few days before I can actually put it through the tests.

BTW any idea where the rubber rings go?

Just as expected.
 

Just as I suspected the adapter has a small raised edge that can ride on the inner raise of the bearing if it touches at all. Looks good from the pics, and where you have the "O"-ring looks to be where it should be mounted. Kind of a slight buffer for the wheel to snug the fit when it is tightened up. The color only matters when you have the wheels off anyway since the wheels cover the adapter. Get a little mud on it and you won't notice.:lol:

I was thinking about getting a set of the closed hex nuts like ala buggies/truggies but the barrel nut doesnt sit flush with the top of the hex hub so it may not screw on properly. I also noticed there is about 1.25mm of in/out play so I may have to shim behind the pin as well.

More options
 

Also I do believe there are more options to chose from. I just saw silver and blue on TowerHobby for like $20.

I cannot seem to get into the site at the moment to retrieve a link for you though. They do look exactly the same as the one you showed, but naodized silver and blue. Very nice. Anyway please keep sharing your experience with them so we know whether or ont they are worth the purchase.

Well, bad news:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0520.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0521.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C/IMG_0522.jpg


I managed to strip the threads on both the hex adapter and wheel nut. How is that possible?

I'm a bit reluctant to try the other Integy ones now. My only other choice is to order the Savage 5T axles from overseas. I'm not too happy to have to wait at least another week for delivery plus $80+ I'm going to spend on them and some new adapters as well.

Lame.....foiled again by Integy's super soft aluminum. I was really having high hopes for these because they look like good units that would work really well, IF they used harder aluminum. Looks like the same thing that happens to all other integy pieces.....soft as lead with the weight of aluminum.

What really needs to happen is someone needs to make stub axles like what is on a LST2/LST XXL so we could just use the normal buggy hex adapters.

looks like we were all fooled into thinking, maybe.... just maybe.... has integy improved...


Obviosuly not, and thank you for being the test subject i guess....

I still stand by that integy only really make a couple of decent parts, being the rear tie rod eliinators and front hubs and uprights...

Shame of it all.
 

Now thats a real shame. I too was hoping that they finally came up with something worth spending money on. As usual they look real nice but just do not hold up like other manufatcured R/C gear. I geuss they must sell enough crap to keep them in business so they just keep pumping out more. With so many options on the market these days I feel sorry for anyone who buys Integy now. Good luck.

Sorry to see this though I'm not exactly surprised. Wasted funds always sux.

Is there a way to harden aluminum?

I have no idea.

I've been searching for another solution all night. I'm just going to put the $80 up for the Savage 5T axles and another $30 or so on some quality extended hexes. I should have took that route the first place but chose to save a few bucks instead. Cost me more in the long run. :lol: At least we all know now not the get the Integy adapters!

Yes, but you dont want to go there. Its a cold working process, where you basically pound the surface.

From this pic, which I altered a bit, it looks like those O rings go inside the nuts in a small channel that can be seen, it's where I made the red line. This is to help prevent the nut from unscrewing itself. The problem with that channel is that it take away two or three treads off the nut so it might explain why they were so easy to strip.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...4/IMG_0522.jpg