ALZA racing Flux Baja 5b
 

HI all..

Here my Savage Flux Baja Build...

About the Flux Baja 5b kit :
-TVP's 5mm 7075 T6 aluminium
-battery plate & servo plate 3mm 7075 T6 aluminium
-3 battery mount positions
*In the TVP's
*In the battery box mounted to middle
*In the battery box mounted to the back
-Can take bigger motors like 1717 and 1520
-perfect size for Baja 5b body
-DogBones (Custom made, stainless, fat, MF)..must say HPI DB look like a Lego toys vs. these bad boyZ!


http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291156497

Stock vs GCM XL vs ALZA 5b TVPs..
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291156499

And here...DogBones vs DOGBONES !
Just look at these Fat, BaD BoyZ
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291158699

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291156501

:bad:

Front diff was leaking so i put it apart and also changed stock diff O-Rings for BAJA O-Rings...these fit better, dont know the part number...

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291170938

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291171268

White is Baja O-Ring and black is stock..
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291170939


Changed the diff oil, i used LRP 50.000W in front and 30.000W in back !
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291170940

Changed stock springs "pink" for a rate harder "yellow"...
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291171412

Here i was playing a bit with springs on shocks...Up is Pink+Yellow vs. down stock..for now i use just yellow springs but if to heavy could use both springs like showed on picture..
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291171412

Also used O-rings in diff cup outputs...
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291171413

Servo plate i instaled first, than 1 side of tvps...
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291183610

Than i went for lipo plate, i used Gorilla straps from RCM...and i installed those suckerZ betwen the bracles and lipo plate...pic will tell more.
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291183611

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291183611

:lol:

Than i put in the Dogbone and installed tranny and motor...
http://forum.modelarji.com/datoteke/...custom_214.jpg

Rear dogbone and rear bulk...
http://forum.modelarji.com/datoteke/...custom_206.jpg

And a fast comparioson vs Body i had on GCM XL tvps....
http://forum.modelarji.com/datoteke/...custom_255.jpg

will post more, just need to finish it :)

Any comments welcomed !
:yes:

Looks nice. Especially considering that it will handle the longer motors, unlike say the TCS TVPs. Servo plate is a nice touch. Got room for 160mm batteries?

I agree looks nice...

- The baja kit though looks a bit too (ok very) similar to mikes.

Only so many ways to skin a cat. :)

Just be aware that advertising of competitors products is not allowed on this site.

Does Mike sell a kit similar to this kit?

No... at least not yet. I believe he meant the electric conversion kit.

Correct. Referring to the baja kit

Hi.

I agree, that mentioned kit look similar. I saw an original on Mikes site once or twice but newer got it in hands, so it is just similar and nothing else.

I designed mine with help of my friend and his baja. There was a lot of measuring and test cuts involved, so no reverse ingeneering with Mikes great product, because just to buy something and then clone is not the way to go. (slipperential 1:1 clone)

I enjoy drawing parts, and then making test cuts to see if everything fits.



Now back to topic.

Thank you, Dejan

I also doubt that he would be a copy-cat :no:

Alza Baja kit is a lot better than tcs kit, more settings and options also a lot better weight distribution and easy to maintain as servo plate is not as big as HPI box so makes things easier, at least aproach to the steering kit.

Well there is like 158mm or maybe 159mm room.
i personally use HK 5000mAh 3S 40C/50C lipos so ther eis a space for a "foam" so lipos get protected a bit...

Do u mean my signature or the link that i provided or that Desertboy XL signature in the picture or all this ?



And here a pic, that slipped...

HPI A720 shocks with pink + yellow springs vs "down" HPI stock
For heavy loaded trucks..:lol:
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291171412

Knez

Would probably be better off with a red spring and the plastic tube that comes with the stock shocks then that double spring? Would avoid that collar that rubs on the body of the shock at least.

I'm a bit dubious of those dog bones. The point where the shaft joins the ball is still the same thickness but the thick shaft won't provide much torsional flex and that could put even more stress on that join area.

_dV - well i didnt use those pink+yellow sping set up as my Flux Baja 5b will be between 6kg -7kg heavy, so i will not use them.
But maybe good for heavy loaded trucks..

Well the thing is...DB are made to transfer the power. Well i didnt see no cups that can take bigger "DB ball ends" so there would be no point for manufaturer to make those bigger or thicker...but thicker DB in a longer truck like 5b is always welcomed in my :eyes: .:yes:

I am thinking to put 1520 or 1717 in this thing... any advice?

Knez

I think red is a bit too stiff. I'm running yellow right now, with 50weight oil, and may go back to white.

I really don't think the setup you are using will work. The point of the dual springs is to have a dual-rate spring setup without needing dual rate springs which means that HPI could use existing stock without needing to create new (the big bore shocks are using the old Hellfire springs, which are truggy length springs) springs. The smaller spring is much heavier than even the red spring and is meant to help absorb the really large impacts. Unless you running short tires, or tires with flexible sidewalls, a 5B/5T/5SC conversion more than likely will never bottom out; not enough travel in the suspension! So _dv's suggestion of replacing the short spring with the spacer probably isn't a bad idea.

As a point of reference, fully loaded mine weighs 16.4lbs. Thats with a 5mm TCS TVP, the tranny, bulletproof diffs, flux motor mount, torq motor, 5S 5000mah batteries in a custom battery box, Mamba Monster, Spektrum receiver and HiTec servo both mounted in the plastic Savage servo/raido box without the lid, and lastly running 24mm Baja 5B/T/SC hubs on XL axles with ProLine 5B Badland front/rear tires on Proline 5B Desperado wheels.

Thicker != better. Not sure that a new dogbone was needed for the rear, probably should just have used the standard XL rear dogbone as that would have provided the space for bigger motors. Thicker just means more rotating mass. The longer dogbone does probably need to be a bit thicker to avoid flexing as I understand it; but then again not a mechanical engineer so can't say for certain.

Oh and there are larger cups, 11mm vs 8mm, for the XL suspension dogbones, but none that I know for the gearbox or the diff pinions.

I have been running a "HPI Torq", i.e. rebranded 1515 as it fits in the standard Flux motor mount, but am switching to the 1520 in mine as I switch to a center diff setup. In either case you need a different motor mount or you need to grind out the Flux mount to accept the larger diameter motors; only like ~1 mm with the 1520, like 5mm with the 1518.

Hi.

The rear dogbone is standard XL rear dogone regarding lenght.

Dejan

Then no need for a custom one really :)

But as i tested those pink+yellow was much harder than with short springs.
Than again could even use 2x red spring..anyway...well i need to test the shocks on Baja first and than will see how and what.

So Thzero - ur 5b is like 8kg with 24mm hex and baja wheels, that is not bad at all!

Must also say, there is space for bigger motors...can use 1520 or 1717 in this kit as hole is big so motors up to 100mm can fit also 1717 diameter is not an issue here!

About the cups, that is what i ment...no bigger cups for center dogbones that mach gearbox and diff pinions..well i didnt make the kit, but i like the FAT dogbones!

At the moment i got 2200kv CC combo, motor mount was grinded, works perfect ! Will order than that 1520 sucker. I also got 5S and 6S lipos will test them both. Hope V3 will not go Puff-puff ...no pass! ;)
Well i like 1717 becaus eof its size, also everything in the motor is bigger, will take less heat and so on...but i dont like RPM max.

Oh, and here how i marked and grinded motor clamps..pic already been posted in another thread but anyway...

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1269304007

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1269304007

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1269304008

This set of clamps where grinded for even bigger motor!
Grinded vs. stock motor clamp.
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...leknez/123.jpg


Had this CC 2200kv and grinded clamps in my Savage XL
http://forum.modelarji.com/datoteke/2_841.jpg

Also received a package today from a good RC friend, thanks bud!
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291417972

...sorry for bad Q. pic.
Left : Turnigy S8166M 6V 33kg / .21sec / 155g
Right : MG995 6V 15kg / .13sec
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291418183

THAT is a big servo.....

If anybody is maybe interested..i am selling some stuff for Flux XL ..also X diffs 43/13T and diff output cups.

http://www.savage-central.com/module...wtopic&t=89162

Knez

Received new lipo plate and servo plate with bigger hole.
My XL dogbone was repaired as pin from the ball was lost.


http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291923280

This is how i mounted Gorilla straps now, perfect fit!
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291923281

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291923281

Servo and plate:
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291932084

Installed
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291932084

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291932085

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1291932085


Waiting for:
- CC 1520 to arrive
- Baja 5b body
- Baja wing

Future:
- Baja 5b wheels 4x rear "GPR Buldog tires i am eyeballing"
- Alu Custom made towers
- Custom made wing holder
:whip:

Weight:

- 5b Kit
- CC 1520
- MMM V3
- Axial rims/tires
- 2x 3S 5000mAh 40C flightmax lipos
- Turnigy 1:5 servo
- No wing
- No body
---------------
TOTAL : 6332g

14lbs is pretty good. Think the 1520 will move it ok?

Yes. The 2200kv motor I have in my 5T/5B moves it quite well, about 40mph or so. And mine ready to go (baja 5b tires) weighs in at 16.4 on 5S and about 17 on 6S. Moving to the 1520 though with the center diff conversion.

yes 1520 should be ok, i need esc that can handle 6S as my MMM V3 just keeps burning up on 6S...a bit later i intend to go with center diffs or GCM trany.

A teaser :) lol, tires are form FG MT, thsoe suckers weight like + 650g.
Will not use them, but culdnt help my self to put them next to a F5b.
http://forum.modelarji.com/datoteke/...custom_220.jpg

This is how i intend to set a roll cage hight, will cut tvps roof, also need some custom made towers..soon i hope.
http://forum.modelarji.com/datoteke/3_custom_223.jpg

Also got the custom made rear light, lol.
http://forum.modelarji.com/datoteke/1_828.jpg

http://forum.modelarji.com/datoteke/2_350.jpg

For front i got traxxas led light for summit, aint much but looks ok.

Also got Hitec HS-5755MG, mamba XL, cc bec pro and quick connect so i finally put my 5b together.
Well i did get the
http://forum.modelarji.com/datoteke/1_2_147.jpg

A friend also put hes together, so we just made a fast test so we see all is ok.
http://forum.modelarji.com/datoteke/111_322.jpg

actually he is a copy cat. he just copyed my product, bashcatrc bulkhead braces, he just made some tweaks to the design. one piece was even a direct copy, but i got him to change the design enough so that it would not be mistaken as mine.

it really sucks to have worked hard on coming up with solutions for problems that the original design has, and having some guy with a cnc machine ripping your design off.

just wanted to let you know what this guy is all about.

Um, bashcatrc? Never heard of it... :| Only a brief hit on orgamikids or something like that for some braces. If a product was really visible in the market then yeah, maybe.

As far as the copying the TCS Crawlers 5T... not really. All they are is a stretched set of Flux TVPs. Its not like they put tons of engineering effort into it, say more like the forward tranny design from FLM.

Personally if he was here in the States, or I suppose me in Europe, I'd send some stuff his way because he has a CNC machine, is willing to do the work, doesn't seem to want to charge and arm and a leg (or over engineer it) and he seems a bit more responsive than some folks around here.

Mrsnuggles, I have your bashcat brace and I love it. But going around telling people he is a copy cat wont make your products any better. FYI, years before you come up with that brace there were already people who were using double brace on their savage, almost identical to your design. He MIGHT have got the idea after looking at your brace but he improved the design and used better, lighter material, 7075.
And your design is not patented either.. you cant claim that its your design though. Perhaps you could come out with a better design to outperform his? And I would love to get that from you.

Well nobody likes competitors...
If he makes a particular part for flux and that part cant be made in 10 diferent ways...i really dont know how u can call him copy cat.
But anyway..all i care for is low price and good quality products!
Alza racing is all about that and more...i have most of the parts made by him and i can say he is got top noch RC parts and price is great!!!!
Personaly i will buy everthing possible form him as he really lisens to customers wishes and he always tries to realize them in a short as possible time and from a very good and strong material!
Also remember..he is not cutting only savage parts but a lot more other stuff!
And yes, finally we in EU got a nice RC shop wich will not take ur every penny to cut you something. Alza racing is a GooD company and he is a good guy!!! Many people are more than impressed with hes stuff.

If someone cuts cheaper and makes even better and stronger parts isnt that a good thing?

I personally never hear of any bashcatRC...never.
But i heard of alza racing, gcm racing, RC Monster and so on. As they have internet site where u can actually find products and buy them.


And to do a small update.. here a video from yesterday, my and friends flux 5b.

I use 6S
20/44T
CC 1520 1600kv
39T HS idlear gear
CC Mamba XL

He uses 5S
23/44T
CC 1520 1600kv
39T HS idler gear
CC MMM

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNzjKQ_51Hc[/YOUTUBE]

Link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNzjKQ_51Hc

Yeah, imagine that... a guy with a r/c business that actually listens and responds to customers who might be wanting to give him money for his time and services. Its a novel new concept (and no, Alza isn't the one I'm "ripping" on).

Has anyone formally asked Alza Racing, GCM, or RC Monster to make some decent tranny gears to replace the 29T and 32T junk gears that so many people hate? Lube fixes the problem, but it would be nice for us to have other options.

I think GCM is working on a Center diff conversion that will be a drop in.
Just taking tranny out and Center diff in.

Dejan

You need specific equipment to make gears. Someone like robinson racing would be good to contact for this.

I dont really like how Alza racing does business myself. I have seen their 5B TVPs on ebay, and its not an auction or a BIN for the TVPs, but you bid on the information on how to buy them. Kind of a scam if you ask me.

If you have read carefully, you will see that for 0.99$ you get 5% voucher code for that particular product in store.

Scam is when you get nothing but information.

If you check on ebay, a lot of companies advertises their sites that way. Especialy when you are new company and you can not afford advertising campains.
And they are all selling coupons and vouchers.

And ebay is a place where lot of people are serching for products.

You are not bidding on information. Please read again, before you say it's a SCAM.


Thank you, Dejan

I knew it, all universities are a scam. Take it easy, just a joke.:lol: