Hyper 10SC: Neu 1506 or 1409, opinions?
 

I've got a Hyper 10SC that I've been running at the local track. The current setup for powertrain has progressed as follows...

First setup; MMP- 4S 2650mah 40/50c- Ammo 2300KV 3650
Not enough power, motor ran HOT

Second setup; Phoenix ICE HV 80A- 8S 1300mah 40/80c- Neu 1515/2Y (1100kv)
Good power, lacked snappy punch of the higher KV motors, no heat, ran 25min...

Current setup; Phoenix ICE HV 80A- 8S 1300mah 40/80C- Neu 1515/2.5D (1680kv)
INSANE power, way overkill for the track, batteries get warm, ESC is cool, motor is cool, driveshafts are breaking.


What I would like to do is loose a bunch of motor weight (~4oz) and end up with power somewhere between the 2Y and 2.5D 1515 Neu's. The motors I'm looking at are the 1506/6D at 1700kv, and the 1409/2y at 1820kv.
I know the KV's are higher but I think when I gear down for similar speeds I should end up with good bottom end...

Opinions? Short and fat 1506 or the longer and narrower 1409?

Save yourself a bunch of money and get a CC/Neu 1410 1y and run it on 2s

Not gonna happen, 2S is for people who are limited to ROAR tracks or just have a fetish for burning electronics smell...

8S runs so much cooler and the run times are so much better.
Even with the 2.5D I'm getting 15 minutes of run time on 350grams of battery with crazy power.

An FYI, I went ahead and ordered my 1409/2Y.

Should have it tomorrow, and have some track time with it Sunday weather permitting.
I'll post up data logs ASAP just incase anyone else is considering going the same route.
I'll run it on 4S and 8S and get data for both.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...5/74ed96a0.jpg
Got my motor a day early :surprised: FedEx pulled one out of the hat :intello:

I'll get it installed tomorrow :mdr:

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Where did you order it from ,that it came that fast. I thought they were built when ordered.

I was wondering the same thing!? The one I ordered took 11 weeks, direct from Neu.

Noodle wire looks odd too - Seems to say creations and also doesn't look to be ext of motor windings... hmmm

Omg! Finally a neu motor with the cc touch! Hurray for stranded silicone jacketed FLEXIBLE wires! Hard drawn copper is the devil for rc cars! Can't wait to see where this might head.

I love what you are doing, i have been playing with higher voltage than originally thought in my preferred style truck (Stadium truck). My current setup is a associated T4 with a lehner basic XL 1200 with a quark 80 car esc with 4s Flight power 3700 20c lipo, Have not pushed to limit yet but figure close to 60 minutes of runtime. Watch the dogbones though, In my rc10GT conversion, i spread the diff outputs where the dogbone will slip

HV is sure a lot of fun and does have its benefits.

As I know all neu motors have flexible cable's right now. I have one 1409 and one 1518 black can Neu and both their wires are flexible. The cables are black but don't have any writings on it.

I wasn't going to name names since this is a Castle thread and you SHOULD be ordering from them, but I needed this ASAP for racing so I found a shop with them in stock (cough*Espritmodels*cough) and the shipping realy treated me well :-)

Yes, those are noodle wires coming out of the can, and I can read "castle" on one of them... It's technically a "ducted fan" motor I.e. 1409DF/2Y.

I found a blown out bearing in one of the rear hubs while putting in the hardened CVD shafts and I haven't got a spare so not sure how much data logging I'll get this weekend before the remaining bearing gives out. I'll post up what I do get though.

I love HV and I'm finding that smaller low KV motors and tiny Mah packs are the way to go. Ive also got a 1/10 4wd buggy that's running a Neu 1107/2Y heli motor on 4S 1000mah packs that is WAY fast and very low temp. The buggy ready to race is 2lbs 13oz battery and all :-) Screw ROAR :-)

Oh yah, forgot to point out the 5mm shaft :-)

I think ROAR will never allow the brushless technology to move forward. I don't know who are the people running ROAR, but it seems that they favor only a few and if someone comes out with a technology that is better, ROAR seems to have a problem so they change the rules. That's why F1 right now seems so freaking boring. Going from 1400HP+ turbo 4 cylinders to the V8s they have now seems like they went backwards. They should've implemented better safety rules for the drivers, pit crew and fans, but let the technology of making them go faster prosper. If that had actually been the case, I don't see why an F1 car should only do up to 220MPH (maybe less), they should be over 300MPH or more by now. If CPUs can evolve every 6 or so months, why can't other technology do the same? Well rules and regulations.

I couldn't agree more, Racing, no matter the scale, should be about progression, not equal racing. NASCAR, champ Car, indy car, or F-1 all just spec classes now, includes drag racing as well. I understand limits for sake of equality and standardization, but to limit performance of a particular setup, even if it fits the criteria of the rules, is blasphemous.

Back to the topic, I wish Castle would provide a few motors for those of us who like higher voltage and lower kv

Actually, some CPU's cycle every 2.5 months.

Sorry for the delay guys, the dead wheel bearing has kept me from doing any real testing. I didn't consider that the one good bearing wouldn't stay in the hub, which let's the CVD come out of the diff cup...

I've got a set of ceramic 15x10mm bearing coming this week so with luck I'll have data on sat/sun this weekend.

A teaser :intello:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...C1409-2Y8S.jpg

Neu 1409/2Y on 8S 1300mah with Phoenix Ice HV80

Far to potent for the track, but the 51.3 amp spike is well within what the batts can handle and isn't stressing the Ice at all. I'll get some good "on-track" data tomorrow at practice and I will see how it handles on 8S and 4S.

Hey

have you run the 1409 2Y on 4S yet ?
I'm thinking of getting a 1409 2Y or 1409 1.5Y for my RC8 Sc conversion on 4S
Currently i have a Tenshock X802 2400KV, but this is way too much for me
Like to have a 1000 W motor