Beware of knock off's of Castle Motors
 

http://www.siriusmotor.com/shop.asp?Page=1

link says it all really,

are these legit? can someone from castle comment?

based in the same place as the castle facility, Zhongshan City, Guangdong Province

Buy Castle, support the originators not the duplicators.

i only own castle kit and have always been happy with it

i always try to buy the best in terms of quality and service, and castle are second to none.

I was just wondering if castle could comment?

they appear to be identical (appearance, spec's, kv, size)

they appear to originate in the same place,

was just wondering if castle could shed light on it or if they even knew?

is it the same deal as with traxxas branded motors?

or is it the opposite, do castle get theirs made by sirius?

or is it just coincidence that they sell identical motors/rebuild kits/bullet connectors?

Castle motors are made here...

http://rc-monster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28709

Castle make motors for Traxxas and HPI

Even the grup screw on the pinions looks the same\same size.

Relax, these are just look-a-likes. Look at the wires, they are the actual stator windings and not flexible wires like the castle motors.

I'm sure you are correct, but where do you see the wires?

They intentionally are hiding the wires in all the pictures I seen.

The picture on the linked web page looks more like cad drawings than actual photos.

Oops, duh I didn't notice the wires were hidden and appear to be coming out of the FRONT of the motor, at first glance it looked like stubby wires out the back. :lol:

Looks kinda photoshopish to me . And why they hell do they have a repair kit for the 1717 ? I have been looking for one of these for months and these guys have it first ? ???

You can bet that it's for their 1717.

There's a chance it's not the same.

http://www.siriusmotor.com/uploadfil...1123359615.jpg

clearly a cad image, with wires around the back of the motor...

They appear to do many rebuild kits, which is a very good thing if they are castle motors. as i know i'll be wanting a new front plate for my 2028 in the future

If they are castle motors... (they appear to be made in the same town as the castle ones :P not sure if there is any other links tho) What do the guys at castle know/think about this?

everything about that website seems fishy to me. i just wouldn't trust it, especially if expecting a castle motor out of the deal. something just doesn't seem right about that website and i'm willing to bet good money those aren't castle motors.

it reminds me a lot about an article i read about a guy getting a "samsung" 500GB harddrive. long story short, it was a cleverly designed 128mb decoy using a USB flash drive formatted to look like 500GB and set on loop mode.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-smstNS9zQJ...g/s320/hdd.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2OAOnW3Ad2...0/00f63d6s.jpg

here's a link the article: http://blog.jitbit.com/2011/04/chinese-magic-drive.html

Good Example of Chinese Trickery Scarlet.

They love to do this with the 18650 cells also.

http://www.rc-monster.com/forum/show...5&postcount=12

I've also seen 18650 cells for sale claiming 5000mah.

It is impossible for the 18650 format to hold 5000mah!

We have not acquired that energy density yet.

So for ANY new product, caution is advised.

Come to think of it, there's one American based Battery Company that does the same thing. From their Garage!

Well, funny thing- according to Nick on the Modelsport.co.uk forums they are actually OEM motors from Castle.

Can we get a yay or nay from Patrick or Joe etc about these motors being genuine Castle motors made for a different company, or just more clones?

Pretty please?

I would sure like to know as well... getting a castle motor in different kv and purple... priceless.

I really could care less about the can... Make repair kits for the 1717 already .

:diablo::diablo::diablo::diablo::diablo:

If they are the same motors... the repair kits for those ones will work.

So whos gonna be the ginea pig and get one for inspect it once and for all .

Update:

http://www.msuk-forum.co.uk/topic/14...pole-monsters/

Nice looking motors and the prices are awesome- finally, a UK based option for decent 4 pole motors that aren't too pricey or take a month to arrive. Castle, why u no say anything ( you'll notice the font on the boxes is identical to what Castle uses )?

Sorry no comment guys, I haven't been on RC Monster in a couple months. I've been really really busy.

I can't comment -- legal proceedings pending against this company in Hong Kong and China.

This is NOT the same company that makes our motors.

I thought Castle Creation made Castle/Neu motors!!!!! So.....What company makes your motors Patrick :whistle::whistle:.

Sirius motors are NOT manufactured by Castle Holdings LLC China.

Castle Holdings LLC China is a wholly owned Foreign Enterprise in Zhongshan China - -owned by Castle Holdings LLC Kansas.

Sirius motors is not affiliated with Castle Creations or Castle Holdings LLC in ANY way. Other than the fact that they have cloned our design, and don't pay any royalties. (regardless of what they claim...)

Leopard motors is ALSO not affiliated with Castle Creations, or Castle Holdings LLC in ANY way.

They can claim what they want -- but it comes down to the fact that these companies clone designs, pretend to be OEMs for Castle, and use those lies to create market share.

From what I understand, Sirius motors was claiming in the Shanghai show to be the same manufacturer that builds Castle motors. They do NOT build Castle motors. Castle Holdings LLC builds Castle motors, and no one else. Castle Holdings LLC pays royalties to Steve Neu for his designs and design work. Sirius motors DOES NOT pay any royalties at all. So, they are an unethical company misleading the public about their status to use our name to increase their market share.

Oh -- and BTW -- there are FOUR brushless motor companies in Zhongshan that I know of, Castle Holdings and Scorpion motors are about 1/2 mile apart -- and there are at least two others.

Zhongshan a huge industrial area (4500 sq miles) with a population of about 4 million. Electrical and Lighting are the industries there.

Castle Holdings and Scorpion are in Xiaolan town, Sirius is in a different area of the city.

I knew this was too good to be true, thankyou Patrick & I hope you nail them for this. Any comment on Torke motors that are another clone?

http://www.msuk-forum.co.uk/topic/14.../page__st__150

Poop, meet fan....

The ignorance manifested by certain people on that forum boggles the mind.

That they must be made by the same company that makes Castle motors just because the look the same outside....

Same company as Sirius. Still a clone. :)

Figures. This is interesting:

Someone's cage has been rattled I think... :lol:

I'm curious about the issue with the photos though- piles of Castle motors in boxes doesn't prove anything on it's own- they could have been taken anywhere, at any time. I'm just curious about the line from Nick that Sirius was producing Castles motors for a while, hence the Castle motors allegedly in the Sirius warehouse...

That guy speaks almost perfect Engerish! :lol:

What, Kevin posted and then pulled his post back down???

Never mind -- I see he posted on MSUK.

Unfortunately I can't log in on MSUK -- keep making usernames, and it will never accept my passwords or let me log in.

/sigh

They have clearly stampet Castle Creation on to the motor wires:
http://www.msuk-forum.co.uk/topic/14...of-1717-motor/

It totally says creations on the white wire. I like this pic the best though. A good old "Motor repalar lit" to fix it

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k.../repaillit.jpg

I know Patrick is going to hate this but I hope their rebuild kits fit my 1518, 1520 and 1717. What other choice do I have if I want to keep my motors going??? I am sure they wouldn't be as good as the original (magnet strength and balancing are my main concerns) but since Castle doesn't make repair kits for them then my options are limited. I don't want to support a company that is ripping off Castle but I don't want to bin my Castle motors neither. I must have got a bit of sand in one of my 1518 motors and the rotor wrappings are in pretty poor state. I don't want to run it like this in fear of totally destroying the motor. Maybe a Sirus kit will get it humming again....... Sorry Patrick.

I hear you big block, get a "Motor repalar lit", that should fix it

copy culture
 

you know it really gets my back up the way they get away with it....
there copy culture needs to be stamped out....
its there own goverment who allow it to carry on...we are not responsable, they will say, its ok to just copy someone elses hard work :gasp:
no its not....:no:
they copy everything they see, without royalty payments, damaging our countries economy.....grrrrr
i hope you make them pay castle :whip:
chris

reminds me of when I bought a set of hex wrenches from Harbor Freight, and got angry when the $2 set of crap stripped my hex nuts. You can blame it on the cheap tested hex nuts or the cheap off .005mm crap you purchased. Someones always to blame, I picked my wife

I've shot Nick a PM on MSUK and hopefully he'll look into it, would be nice to have both sides of the story over at that forum.. :rules:

I get the feeling Nick is a sell out punk, so much for the diamond jubilee

I am not a sell out punk, actually - and not even got involved with this argument. I took my post down as I feel Sirius should be treated as their OWN motor company and not some fake. The connections are questionable, yes, I do not agree with the use or promotion of the Castle brand - hence why I don't.

These motors are excellent quality, try for yourself.

I simply distribute them in the UK.

Patrick - I would be more than happy to talk to you directly, please e-mail me (info@promptrc.com) as I feel together we can work out relations a little better with Sirius and how they use Castles name/design. I don't want any complications or heart break.