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captain harlock 08.10.2006 08:21 PM

Castle Creations Phoenix 110HV controller
 
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Who recommends me to take this controller if he knows that it costs only $230 and it can handle up to 110amps, 12s lipos, pistol grip compatible, double heatsink, but no proportional break? it has an option of 'hard break', though.

squeeforever 08.10.2006 08:38 PM

Thats gonna be like full brakes....I wouldn't unless you use mechanical breaks. It will possibly damage the motor from a heavy truck slaming to a hault all the time.

Procharged5.0 08.10.2006 08:45 PM

I second Squee's opinion. It would be fine if you adapt a mechanical brake from the T-Maxx and program the brake to the disabled mode.

You do have a T-maxx don't you?

BrianG 08.10.2006 11:56 PM

You know, I saw that ESC a while back and remember being quite impressed with its construction. IMO, that is how an ESC is supposed to be built (from an electronics standpoint)! I like the aluminum layer in between each layer of PCBs/FETs and the ample heatsink. I bet that thing doesn't overheat or blow FETs! Too bad it's not apparently meant for vehicle use, unless you use mechanicial brakes.

captain harlock 08.11.2006 12:10 AM

Shutt down the ESC's break and use mechanical one..?!!
Sorry, my GrandArk Phase.1 is the first monster truck I've ever owned.
I guess I need to use an additional servo, right?

Serum 08.11.2006 02:45 AM

Yes it does use an extra servo.

Starscream used one in his truck. (for testing purposes)

captain harlock 08.11.2006 10:50 AM

Hmmm. It would only make things more and more complicated.
In the future I might use 8s lipos, and that is why I need a high voltage controller. Probably Schulze is the only way I can go, but MGM has a good controller, too. Though I'm not sure how good it will perform.

Serum 08.11.2006 11:54 AM

mgm is the way to go, unless you feel like investing money in an expensive non insured bbq..

I use the MGM too, it works perfect.

andywpj 08.11.2006 03:05 PM

Hello.
about this Castle Creations Phoenix controller i saw somewhere forum talk about "World's Fastest RC Car Challenge" show, some guys used NTC3 with HV85A esc and 8s Lipo run at 134.4MPH a record.
but i think maybe can do that , because HV can support to 50V high volt.

Serum 08.11.2006 07:42 PM

Nice for speedruns, but it doesn't say anything about his further behaviour.

Starscream used it in his truck too

starscream 08.12.2006 05:39 AM

Hey Serum,
I did use the HV110 on my truck but it had some undesirable and random issues because of its incompatibility with pistal grip transmitters. The controller handled 8s with a 12xl wanderer quite well. The wanderer got pretty hot but the esc was relatively cool. I was able to get the HV to work with my JR XS3 but not with my Nomadio Sensor. I must say that the 12xl on 8S was a bit too much even for me and I'm a power hungry fool :027:

I have since purchased the Quark Monster Pro 125B from Mike and am pleased with it so far.

Serum 08.12.2006 05:43 AM

I guess you need to setup the 0 line, right? because it's meant to start from negative with the plane RC?

So once programmed right (or using a stick transmitter) it works okay?

braking with it is not an option, right Starscream?

starscream 08.12.2006 03:42 PM

Serum,
The controller does have braking options however, because of the way around the 0 line issue it won't shouldn't work. I never use esc brakes as I run manual brakes on all my trucks.

By default, the nuetral position of the throttle is half throttle. In order to get around that, I configured the esc full brakes to the nuetral position of the trigger. I then configured the esc for forward only and was able to control the tuck normally. This worked with my XS3 but not my Sensor.
The only problem with this was that every now and then, when I used the manual brakes, the esc would reset and the nuetral position would revert back to half throttle which actual is more like full throttle. Its not cool to have you truck take off WOT out of control :019:
I was able to stop the truck because of the manual brakes but still... not cool.
I have since given up with the HV because it is currently not reliable.

coolhandcountry 08.12.2006 06:09 PM

What happens if you used the mixing option?
Hook the thrid channel up to brakes.
Hook the second up to the esc. Set the reverse to 0% epa.
The adjust the 3 Channel to operate the brake when you go to reverse.
Gustav uses this method. So it is his idea.

captain harlock 08.13.2006 12:37 AM

I believe we should wait for the MAMBA MONSTER MAX to see what it will deliver. I doubt its gonna be beyond 200-220 if not less. The Mamba Max is already a fantastic controller as far as I've heared. The MMM wont be any different.
I guess MGM is my ultimate choice, for now.

MetalMan 08.13.2006 01:14 AM

My guess is that based on the price of the MM the MMM will $250-300, probably closer to $300. But it should be comparable to Lehner/Neu motors and Quark/MGM ESCs that cost a lot more.

starscream 08.13.2006 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandcountry
What happens if you used the mixing option?
Hook the thrid channel up to brakes.
Hook the second up to the esc. Set the reverse to 0% epa.
The adjust the 3 Channel to operate the brake when you go to reverse.
Gustav uses this method. So it is his idea.

That works most of the time and has been the way I have always configured my trucks. Technically throttle is channel 1, steering ch2 and brake ch3 :027:
The thing about the HV is that it arms when you put the throttle to full brake so with the nuetral position set to full brake, it arms automagically.
If you change the epa for ch1 to 0% for reverse, it still auto arms but does not help the random problem I mentioned before (WOT). The HV is a great esc, I just wish it was pistal tx friendly.

I like castle products but am disappointed that the MMM will only handle 16 cells. I even tried the Barracuda 125, because it should be able to handle 6S, but fried it on one run using 6S geared moderately.

I think I'll wait to hear from others before buying any other Castle controllers for my truck :005:

For now, the Quark 125B is working great.

Serum 08.13.2006 04:36 AM

I guess you did update every now and then?

seeing this, looks like they make a lot of fixes.

coolhandcountry 08.13.2006 08:12 AM

I always thought the channel 1 was steering. That is the slot I plug the steering servo in. Channel 2 or slot 2 for esc.
If you got the epa set on the channel to zero that mean when you push it in brake or reverse. The esc should have the same signal as netrul.

Serum 08.13.2006 08:58 AM

Going thru their fixes, i noticed this was one of their first fixes;

Corrects reset problem with throttle stick programming

can you tell if you updated the controller StarScream?

coolhandcountry 08.13.2006 09:17 AM

I emailed cc and asked them if they was going to make a car vesion of the esc. I think that would rule.

Serum 08.13.2006 09:20 AM

I emailed them too, Leroy. Quite some time back, but they told me they where not planning..

coolhandcountry 08.13.2006 09:30 AM

Well They got two that we know of. Maybe it be like the proline tires rene. That would be nice to see another hv esc. I would love it. I could use one for my next project.

Gustav 08.13.2006 09:39 AM

That would be nice.

Are the heatsinks a one piece extrusion on this then,running through the contoller? looks like it must be since the heatsinks are on the sides,not top and bottom like the MGMs.

squeeforever 08.13.2006 10:51 AM

Were did you get that picture from Captain? I went to Castles site and they didn't look the same. Is there a difference? It appears as though maybe the green heatsink one is an older model and the one on there site now is a newer one??

Serum 08.13.2006 12:41 PM

it's only the heatsink colour squee. Towers uses the green heatsink on their site.

squeeforever 08.13.2006 12:43 PM

Ah...

captain harlock 08.13.2006 01:21 PM

Yep, its from TowerHobbies.
I also spoke to Castle Creations about a car version of this lovely demon, but they turned me down, eventually.
Man, I really want something like it for my GrandArk. Phase.1
O'God Pleeeeaaase let them do it.

starscream 08.13.2006 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandcountry
I always thought the channel 1 was steering. That is the slot I plug the steering servo in. Channel 2 or slot 2 for esc.
If you got the epa set on the channel to zero that mean when you push it in brake or reverse. The esc should have the same signal as netrul.

CHC, you are absolutely correct. Sorry, I guess I shouldn't try to be technical that late at night :005:

The HV fits my needs perfectly since I only use my esc's as foward only.

Serum,
I recently got the castle Link and updated the software on the HV esc but haven't used it since I updated the software. I will test this out on my project truck and see if its fixed. If the issue has been fixed, this esc may be the ticket for my higher volatage applications :017:

Serum 08.13.2006 03:54 PM

Cool, there is light in this dark project then! please let us know, okay? any idea when you are going to test the new software?

starscream 08.13.2006 05:27 PM

I just tested the HV again and it seems to run better after the software update. The throttle never reset but seemed to have a delay when letting off the throttle. I'll have to see if there are any config adjustments that may help.

squeeforever 08.13.2006 05:33 PM

Definately seems like a winner!

Serum 08.14.2006 01:22 AM

By looking at your screenshots;

Perhaps that's the .6 brake delay of the controller?

starscream 08.14.2006 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serum
By looking at your screenshots;

Perhaps that's the .6 brake delay of the controller?

Thanks Serum,
That just may be the problem. The throttle lag isn't that long but at top speed, it doesn't take much to lose it :020:
I changed the settings to 100% brake stregth and "No Delay"
I'll see if I can test this out tomorrow.

captain harlock 08.14.2006 05:33 AM

Is there a specific link I have to use from CCs or do they only have one link?
I got one quite a while back.

Gundam-Guy 11.10.2006 03:07 PM

so is the Phoenix HV-110 runing fine now with the pistol grip this sounds like the perfect controler for my ride since i want to be able to do 24 cells and only need foward for it please let me know how its going
also can thishandle a 4pole motor?

starscream 11.10.2006 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gundam-Guy
so is the Phoenix HV-110 runing fine now with the pistol grip this sounds like the perfect controler for my ride since i want to be able to do 24 cells and only need foward for it please let me know how its going
also can thishandle a 4pole motor?

I was very impressed with this controller but I could not get it to work 100% with a pistal grip tx so I eventually sold the esc.

If the MMM is anything like this controller, it will be worth the $$$

coolhandcountry 11.10.2006 05:54 PM

For 24 cells you can get the mgm 24160. It handle what you should want.

captain harlock 11.10.2006 05:57 PM

This dude is only 220 dollars. Quite a bargain for an incredible piece of technology. Mamba Monster Max is going to be some where near this thing.
The Mamba Monster Max is going to pull 200amps continuous as Joe had told me and 2000W+ surge, but the HV can pull an impressive something like 5000W.

starscream 11.10.2006 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandcountry
For 24 cells you can get the mgm 24160. It handle what you should want.

The MGM would not work with the FMA LVC's so it was not a good solution for me. I ended up getting a Quark125B. It cogs just a tad on 6S but seems to work fine otherwise. The cogging only occurs when the motor is starting from a stopped position. If the motor is already rotating, it doesn't cog at all.


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