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BlackedOutREVO 12.18.2006 03:34 PM

baja 5b bl
 
lol ok so i want a baja but there gas and we all know that thats the wrong way so, what kind of motor would it put in there?? how many cells?? lol it NEEDS to pull wheelies lol NEEDS to lol??????? i dont think they would really be very heavy without the motor and all that as when i go and i see them in my lhs there all back heavy, and i have a go ped and thats the wieght of it also.....

so what do u guys think??? would it be a good idea??? or just stupid? and be honest:018:

zeropointbug 12.18.2006 04:01 PM

hmmm, I wanted to get one of those and convert it to brushless too. The front part of the chassis is perfect for a bunch of batteries.

As for the motor, the thing would still be heavy, and big heavy tires, long.... i would think you would need a 20xx motor at least, maybe a 30xx?

It would be working the motor pretty high load constantly, so you prob want a larger, over sized motor.

It would also be nice to use A123's in that kind of setup, as that many batteries would take a long time to charge. You could charge with the proper charging setup in maybe 1 to 1.5 hours. That would be with a decent PSU unit.

Just my thoughts...

Serum 12.18.2006 04:45 PM

A 1950 would do well. They have got quite some torque.

a 2240/2250 would be an awesome choice imo.

the 30 series are plain redicilous. useless. You can put 24 cells on the 2240 and have got plenty of power. with the right controller you can go to 30-36 cells on the 2240.

Remember it is a 2wd and will be uncontrolable with too much torque.

BlackedOutREVO 12.18.2006 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serum
A 1950 would do well. They have got quite some torque.

a 2240/2250 would be an awesome choice imo.

the 30 series are plain redicilous. useless. You can put 24 cells on the 2240 and have got plenty of power. with the right controller you can go to 30-36 cells on the 2240.

Remember it is a 2wd and will be uncontrolable with too much torque.

can i get some links???????????????

and if i can get it to the point of uncontrollable i will be even more happy lmao!!!!! and i would like to use a123 cells and run them for voltage so that wouldnt be a problem, u dont think a neu?? or they dont make them big ehough?????? and the 30series rediculous is what i want lol im shure it comes with one hell of a price tag but thats ok i guess lol i will have to try and find them on e bay for a lil bit cheaper....

squeeforever 12.18.2006 06:11 PM

First off, you won't find a 30xx motor on Ebay. The chances are slim to none. And second, one question mark is enough...

BlackedOutREVO 12.18.2006 06:14 PM

who cares if i use more than one question mark? hmmmm

and where am i going to find a motor for this?

Mike.L 12.18.2006 07:27 PM

if you really want to go ahed with this, Like serum said the 1950 would work well or something a bit higher, you can shoot mike an e-mail.

BlackedOutREVO 12.18.2006 07:29 PM

yeh i will, what his e mail?

Mike.L 12.18.2006 07:32 PM

you can find it on the rcm store.

Sylvester 12.18.2006 07:42 PM

Should be one hell of a project. IMO id use a 2250 on 24 cells as serum suggested.

Mikes email is rcmonstermike@gmail.com

Show pics as you proggress as ive always wanted to see a bl Baja 5B.

Mike.L 12.18.2006 07:50 PM

yeah, going to be something eh?

BP-Revo 12.18.2006 08:10 PM

I'd personally use the new Maxamp 10000mah lipo packs. They are larger than normal packs, but they should fit fine in a Baja. They have the capacity and the current capability to handle just about any motor...

You just need to find a capable ESC. 2240 should be plenty...but a 30xx could be fun :D

scyan 12.18.2006 08:32 PM

this is what gets my vote for motor... ;)

Its specifically meant for 1:5 or 1:6 conversions... look at the size and power... how's 5000w ?

http://www.plettenberg-motoren.com/U...lido/motor.htm

Mike.L 12.18.2006 09:02 PM

I wouldnt under estimate the 2240 that thing has plenty enough tourqe to power that anyways. The pletenberg is pritty expensive.

Sylvester 12.18.2006 09:04 PM

I even have to admit the 10L has got quite some torque.... LOL Mike! ;) ahhh good times ... Burnt hands, forearms, hah, almost got my face too! :p

Mike.L 12.18.2006 09:06 PM

close though. HAH! what a sudden surprise! lol

zeropointbug 12.18.2006 09:57 PM

I really don't think the 1950 would be up to the duty cycle, have you guys ever seen the Baja 5B? This thing i HUGE, and MASSIVE, with MASSIVE, and heavy tires. The 1950 could power it sure, but it would get very hot...

Personally, i would get a 2240, or 2250 and if you want, you could watter cool it? Just a small pump, and use the chassis as a heastink.

This would be able to push it past 45 - 50mph or more.

squeeforever 12.18.2006 10:10 PM

Yea. I saw an old Pro .15 T-Maxx that had a watercooled head on it from a Nitro Vilian. He had a gas tank from an old plane (looked like something from a bi-plane) with a small pump running off of the RX pack I believe. Pretty ingenious...Anywho, yea, a water jacket like for a boat and some fuel tubing, a reservoir and a pump would be a good idea. Not like weight is a concern when its that big...

BlackedOutREVO 12.18.2006 10:11 PM

thats would be sick!! but whats the price tag????? and i dont know on the water pump, i would use fans big computer fans

Sylvester 12.18.2006 10:16 PM

The price is around 400 maybe a bit over. No one said it would be cheap, the bigger the R/C , the bigger the pricetag.

BlackedOutREVO 12.18.2006 10:20 PM

400!! thats it???? lol thats cheap lol concidering the price of the motors for a e revo or something lol not bad at all....

and that pletty looks sick but i dont know that i need that much motor lol,
and i e mail so well see lol

Sylvester 12.18.2006 10:23 PM

Mike should be able to get you that 2250.. have fun with it , though! :)

BlackedOutREVO 12.18.2006 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sylvester
Mike should be able to get you that 2250.. have fun with it , though! :)

lol i need money lol then this wil be a sick system!! right now i just put 1 grand into a totaly flm mamba maxx bl pede

and bp revo, i have had bad luck with li-po's and im not wanting to go back lol so probably the a123 cells

how would i use the a 123 cells??? i would want the 4600 and then run them for runtime and then power:032: lol so like 5 or 6 of them or just a simple 20-24 cell flat pack i dont know yet as i just had the idea and threw it out because no one else did lol

zeropointbug 12.19.2006 01:27 AM

Do you mean '4600'mAh ? If you want to use A123's in the Baja 5B, then i would say 3 in parallel (6.9Ah) for good solid voltage, and good long runtime as that thing will consume alot of power! As for voltage, i would use something like 12 cells for 40volts. You could then use the BK 36120, this should turn out some serious power. The high voltage should be more efficient and easier on the controller, and motor. You will prob want to get a high turn motor then, i have no idea what kind of trans this thing has, so which turn you get will have to be determined once you buy it, or if someone else knows.

This thing sure would turn heads, literally twisting your head around as it zooms past.

BlackedOutREVO 12.19.2006 01:33 AM

can u explain a lil more in detail????? lol im not up with lipos and all that so can u further explain it???? please... lol

yes i mean 4600 mah, but in paralel is that voltage or runtime??? and then how to wire them for bollth as i want atleast 10 minits of wheelie speed action

Serum 12.19.2006 12:43 PM

Zero; a 1950 would do well. it's not about the size it's about the weight. you can take a 1950 and use 10S on it. it will do 45 mph with ease. and i doubt if it will get any hotter than a 2240/50 The 1950 is capable of quite something.

I have had the 2250 and now i have the 1950. i like the 1950 better. like i said; it's 2wd and you don't want too much torque on a 2wd.. there is a difference between uncontrolable and uncontrolable. a 45mph can be harder to control than a 60 mph truck. again; too much torque on a 2wd will be a horror to drive. i had a 7 kg heavy savage powered with only 16 cells. and it has pretty good torque. (uncontrolable on a 4wd already, leave alone a 2wd with about the same weight..)

crazyjr 12.19.2006 02:26 PM

On the Bolido, you would need a schultze to pull it, the MGM 16024 would be at its limit wIth that setup (can do ten poles but Bolido's minimum 24 cells is at the MGM's limit), so there is a lot of money in electronics.I have a 2250 and mgm 16024 waiting for a project, this may be a good reason to pull them out

BlackedOutREVO 12.19.2006 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyjr
On the Bolido, you would need a schultze to pull it, the MGM 16024 would be at its limit wIth that setup (can do ten poles but Bolido's minimum 24 cells is at the MGM's limit), so there is a lot of money in electronics.I have a 2250 and mgm 16024 waiting for a project, this may be a good reason to pull them out


must be nice man:013:

serum so how shure are u that a 1950 could do it????? i want it right the first time lol:018:

Serum 12.19.2006 05:15 PM

Well, you can always get a 2240 and loose some of it's torque on gearing. that's a good way to go. the 2240 is only a bit more expensive.

I am pretty positive a 1950 can pull that sled fast enough. But that depends on how many cells are feeding that thing.

jagboy 12.19.2006 07:24 PM

Wow, based on this thread I had been vastly underestimating the 19 series and 22 series. Someone needs to make a really big chart with lots of numbers on it.

The only ESC I know of that would work on this scale is the Schulze 40.160 and that's a really, really expensive hunk of silicon and circuit board. Are there any others out there with capabilities like that?


JB

BlackedOutREVO 12.19.2006 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serum
Well, you can always get a 2240 and loose some of it's torque on gearing. that's a good way to go. the 2240 is only a bit more expensive.

I am pretty positive a 1950 can pull that sled fast enough. But that depends on how many cells are feeding that thing.

lol how many cells should there be????

and i hear ya on the motor lol and 400 isnt too bad, nut how bad is the speedy going to slap me?

Serum 12.20.2006 03:14 AM

are you going to use the mechanical brake? and a pistol transmitter or stick?

Do you want to use lipo or nimh? lipo keeps the weight relative low.

neweuser 12.20.2006 12:14 PM

I would go Lipo too. It would be a nice conversion, but I think a costly one?

BlackedOutREVO 12.20.2006 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serum
are you going to use the mechanical brake? and a pistol transmitter or stick?

Do you want to use lipo or nimh? lipo keeps the weight relative low.

i dont want lipos, ni-mh for now and i wil end that when i get sick of them

pistol grip controler..... i dont think it will be horrible lol no more than my e revo with all the nice parts, just the cost of the car will be bad, i found some on flea bay for 800 and free shipping:018:

coolhandcountry 12.20.2006 01:52 PM

Well first off. I would get the car and see about the weight before I make a judgement
on motor size. As for tire size they are not much bigger than we run on a maxx
or revo ir not a smaller than some. The esc is going to cost you.
If you don't mind. What happened with you and lipo?

BlackedOutREVO 12.20.2006 05:43 PM

well i have had 5 vent lol one blew cause i dropped it, and 3 went from crasing with my mini t (witch costed me the li pos and the mamba speedy) and the other 2 went because they got e jected in a crash with the mini t lol and i just really havent had the urge to do the unsafe more power vrs more safe less power, and i know that they can really go also but i havent had one problem with them will worse crashes and water and what not so yeh lol

and yeh i figured that i needed wieght, but i think i will do a 22 series lol i know that it will have power

coolhandcountry 12.20.2006 08:52 PM

The 2250 on the right voltage will destroy alot of things.

glassdoctor 12.20.2006 09:22 PM

My first thought for a nice 1/4 scale setup:

Schulze 40.160 so you can go high voltage... a must for a car this big. It's huge enough to look proper in the car too. :)
Neu 1521/27 or even a Neu 2215 for more $$$
and a big 8s-10s lipo


:)

BlackedOutREVO 12.22.2006 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandcountry
The 2250 on the right voltage will destroy alot of things.

sweet!!!! lol they looks tough as heck, im mean the diffs and all that stuff is metal:018:

we will see how it goes lol:eek:

skeeler 03.08.2007 11:42 PM

Update?
 
Has there been any more progess on this BL Baja 5B?


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