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sleebus.jones 12.20.2006 02:51 PM

7XL or 8L /w MM on an Emaxx?
 
Not sure which way to go here. I'm planning on staying in the 12 - 14 cell range. I'd prefer something that will not blow up the ESC (obviously!) and not run smoking hot.

I see the 7XL draws 95A, right at the limit of the MM, and a bit beyond what cells can supply without too much voltage drop. I looked at the 8L, which only draws 77A, but gives me a more useful Kv rating to work with....but will that overheat?

Any and all opinions appreciated!

Sleebus

GorillaMaxx360 12.20.2006 02:54 PM

i am not exactally sure which is the better choice but i have some people running mm with the 7xl just fine.

crazyjr 12.20.2006 02:55 PM

I think the 8XL or 9XL would be better than the 8L and they would be easier than the 7xl on the esc, you may have to gear them up for speed, if thats what you're after though

neweuser 12.20.2006 03:51 PM

I personally would not run a MM in an Emaxx...

rotary rocket 12.20.2006 04:05 PM

Don't run the 8L. It will get too hot.

I do run an MM with an 8L in my e-maxx. No problems with the MM, but the 8L gets REALLY hot. Next step for me is the 7XL.

phildogg 12.20.2006 05:21 PM

I'm running a 7xl and a mm esc on 4s li-po .. no probs here,with a fan on the esc temps are around 98-100 deg. the motor runs around 140's degrees. seems like a good set-up.

phil

Dafni 12.20.2006 05:27 PM

crazyjr, in comparison to what phildogg got, what temps do you get on your MM/9XL?? (if you run 4S, that is. Not sure if you still run Ni)

sleebus.jones 12.20.2006 09:02 PM

Cool. Looks like the 7XL it is. I'll prolly end up running it on 14 cells. Maybe that will keep me satisfied until the MMM comes along. :)

Thanks for the input guys,
Sleebus

crazyjr 12.20.2006 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dafni
crazyjr, in comparison to what phildogg got, what temps do you get on your MM/9XL?? (if you run 4S, that is. Not sure if you still run Ni)

So far i have been hard on it trying to get it to heat up(stop and go, lots of brakes, running on blacktop to strain it) I haven't got it over 139* the 9xl is running about 120 in the same circumstances. This is with a set of 8000mah maxamps lipo's ( new 20c type) and it rips, literally, I tore up the rear diff trying to make it sweat. So i think it will make a good racing setup for mid to short tracks, going to try taller gearing to get some speed

phildogg 12.20.2006 10:01 PM

hey crazy couple questions, 1. you running a fan on the mm? 2. whats your truck geared now? mines 18/66.
phil

BitHed 12.20.2006 10:07 PM

...nice post..That means the 7XL is next on my list for the Hellfire :D Thanks...

phildogg 12.20.2006 11:54 PM

one more thing crazy what settings are you using on the mm? sorry for the jacked thread..
phil

sleebus.jones 12.21.2006 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phildogg
I'm running a 7xl and a mm esc on 4s li-po .. no probs here,with a fan on the esc temps are around 98-100 deg. the motor runs around 140's degrees. seems like a good set-up.

phil

Sounds like exactly what I am after. What gearing/tires are you running?

No worries about jacking the thread folks, all this stuff is good info for da brain box!

Sleebus

phildogg 12.21.2006 11:46 AM

I'm geared 18/66 now on stock revo wheels and tires.. with a fan on the esc..
phil

carlog80 12.21.2006 12:04 PM

hey phil!!! i'm running the same gearing but with a 9XL. so hows ur new radio controller doing? the 3pk is pretty crazy with all its functions!!

sleebus.jones 12.21.2006 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phildogg
I'm geared 18/66


Hmmmmmm. I wonder if it would take 22/66 without overheating? I'm thinking tho if you are running 140 on the motor, maybe not. Looks like your speed is around 30+ mph.

Well now I gotta rethink this. Not sure if I want do drop all that money for slightly better than stock top speed. I was planning on running 22/66 with 14 cells to get into 40 mph territory. The motor seems perfectly comfortable in your setup, but I think what I have in mind may be pushing it too hard.

Pewp.

Sleeb

crazyjr 12.21.2006 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phildogg
hey crazy couple questions, 1. you running a fan on the mm? 2. whats your truck geared now? mines 18/66.
phil

On one, no i'm not at this time. On two, I had to go with a strobe and 51 tooth mod1 with a 13 tooth pinion, it seems ok on dirt but a little slow on pavement. And for your last question, I'm running default except for a 3v per cell cut-off for the lipo.

Neweuser, If you want ultimate power and run high voltage, the mamba max is not for you, however if you want a reliable, consistent at 4s lipo and easy to use esc for racing, the mamba is probably the ultimate esc for the job.

phildogg 12.21.2006 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlog80
hey phil!!! i'm running the same gearing but with a 9XL. so hows ur new radio controller doing? the 3pk is pretty crazy with all its functions!!


I love it no glitching!! thats all I wanted..lol
phil

coolhandcountry 12.21.2006 02:35 PM

Larry: When are you going to compare the mgm, bk, and mamba maxx to each other.

phildogg 12.21.2006 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleebus.jones
Hmmmmmm. I wonder if it would take 22/66 without overheating? I'm thinking tho if you are running 140 on the motor, maybe not. Looks like your speed is around 30+ mph.

Well now I gotta rethink this. Not sure if I want do drop all that money for slightly better than stock top speed. I was planning on running 22/66 with 14 cells to get into 40 mph territory. The motor seems perfectly comfortable in your setup, but I think what I have in mind may be pushing it too hard.

Pewp.

Sleeb

I wouls say the mm esc and maybe a 8xl with the higher gearing might would be better for you.. as they would be more capable of pulling the higher gear.. I'm going to try a 20/66 before long just to see the temps.might be close to stock speed but it sure is alot more fun.. 20mph rolling wheelie maybe faster.. anyway I could use more speed but its fun like it is a ton of torque.
phil
phil

gizzmo79 12.21.2006 03:08 PM

I just wonder way is the 8L getting so hot and the 7XL is not?
Is it because its more power in the Xl motors?
I have the 8L now with 4s, heat sink on motor and esc.
the gearing i use is 51/18 and 51/16 and the motor is getting hot, vould it be cooler with 7XL:032:
Sorry the of topic

BrianG 12.21.2006 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gizzmo79
I just wonder way is the 8L getting so hot and the 7XL is not?
Is it because its more power in the Xl motors?
I have the 8L now with 4s, heat sink on motor and esc.
the gearing i use is 51/18 and 51/16 and the motor is getting hot, vould it be cooler with 7XL:032:
Sorry the of topic

For one thing, the 8L kv=2765, while the 7XL kv=2145. For another, the XL can is physically longer, which helps spread and dissipate the heat...

neweuser 12.21.2006 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyjr
On one, no i'm not at this time. On two, I had to go with a strobe and 51 tooth mod1 with a 13 tooth pinion, it seems ok on dirt but a little slow on pavement. And for your last question, I'm running default except for a 3v per cell cut-off for the lipo.

Neweuser, If you want ultimate power and run high voltage, the mamba max is not for you, however if you want a reliable, consistent at 4s lipo and easy to use esc for racing, the mamba is probably the ultimate esc for the job.

I agree....:027:

crazyjr 12.21.2006 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolhandcountry
Larry: When are you going to compare the mgm, bk, and mamba maxx to each other.

Soon i hope,I just got the 9920 in today (thanks) and as soon as i get comfortable with the programming of the BK and the mgm i'll run one after the other (same motor and batteries) and give my opinion on them

BitHed 12.22.2006 12:03 AM

...I was running the MM in the E-Sav with a 9L on 20/66 gearing (12 cells) and it was ok...Little warm though...Goes MUCH better with an 18...22 and it would shut down just by sitting there...This was WITHOUT an UBEC though...Still waiting for one to ship from ebay though...

phildogg 12.22.2006 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BitHed
...I was running the MM in the E-Sav with a 9L on 20/66 gearing (12 cells) and it was ok...Little warm though...Goes MUCH better with an 18...22 and it would shut down just by sitting there...This was WITHOUT an UBEC though...Still waiting for one to ship from ebay though...


A small 40mm fan would def help with the heat issues.. what temp are the motor?
phil


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