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Quote of the century!
Quote of the Century.
<O:p></O:p> "The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration" <O:p></O:p> <O:p> </O:p> |
AMEN!!!
Another quote I liked is what HotNCold used to have in his sig. Something about people in the US speaking english... He should post that here as well. |
Good find pro. I also liked the one Hotncold had in his sig like Brian said. That was pretty funny, but so true.
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btw.....I'm not saying immigration should be stopped, just controlled. AND since America is the "melting pot" the new (and includinng those arriving in the last 10-15 years) MUST meld into American society.
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Thanks!
I didn't mean to get all political...it kind of just hit me. Know what I mean? |
generalizing in politics is dangerous.
i think you should realize that. |
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I wasn't able to filter that from your previous posts.
We have got issues here too with immigrants; we seem to have a good financial atmosphere, as well as the soft-drugs policies. some jump the opportunity to become well educated. I deeply respect that. Others don't and take the wrong turn. But most likely they where on the wrong track when they where in their own country as well. Hard or impossible to judge IMO. I think the entire world is changing and people are only taking care for themselves, and the tolerance is sinking away.. Last week i had two issues; One of them was this; I had an appointment at two addresses, number 12 and number 14; Parked the car at number 12, and went to number 14.. Nobody answered the door, so i walked to the car to pick up my cellular; (in about 2 minutes of total time spent) the guy of number 12 (being about 55-60 years old) came to the door and started shouting! Get the hell of my property!!!!, or I'll kick your car..!!! he shouted.. I was nailed to the ground, not knowing what to say.. i wasn't prepared for such an attack.. kind of surprised of his behavior, a few seconds later i pulled myself together. i asked him if he thought that he was acting in an appropriate/reasonable way. Somehow he was to dumb and hot headed, and repeated his fist words again, now with some more cursing added.. Needless to say i didn't visited him anymore. I personally don't care what happened to him that day or in his life, My first reaction was; drop dead and F O..! but this probable makes me part of the change as well.. Tolerance.. That's what the problem is.. |
Perhaps.
My major beef is that people ONLY think of themselves and have no consideration for others. I believr that is the primary root of the evil. That and old fashioned greed. Sidebar: US companies are selling off to foreign ownership with alarming frequency. Most recently GE sold of their polycarbonates/plastics division to of all groups, a middle eastern group. WTF were they thinking. Well probably they were thinking of ONLY the short term bottom line. That type of thinking here in the US is what will ultimately do us in. |
My major problem with immigrants are those that come here and sponge off the system. Many drive much nicer vehicles and live in far better houses than I do, and I've been a part of the work force since I was 12 (first job was on a farm - the hardest and most physically demanding one to date). Everyone thinks they "deserve" gov't money not realizing (or maybe they do) that this money comes from the taxpayers. Too many people looking for a handout and the gov't gives it to them.
On a similar vein; it makes me very angry seeing people that make a career out of being on welfare/gov't aid and just spit out more and more kids so they keep getting benefits. And of course the kids don't see any of those benefits - they still run around in dirty rags. Arrrg! And I agree about the lack of consideration of others. People are generally mean spirited IMO. It's rare to find someone who will lift a hand to help someone else. Just the other day, I drove up to a convenience store where a service guy was working on the outside ice freezer. He was trying to move it back into place and having a heck of a time. A bunch of people walked by and didn't even look at him. So, when I asked him if he could use a hand, he was almost too surprised to answer. And it only took like 10 seconds to do. Just thinking about all this is making my blood pressure rise! Anyway, rant over... |
Brian,
Sorry to get your blood pressure up. The "heir of entitlement" attitude of the new immigrants boils my blood too! anyway....go over to the "Optical Illusion" thread. Much more enjoyable! LOL! |
I worked in a plastics factory for 15 years (sorry no rc stuff) and the last couple years there was an influx of hispanic Migratory workers with no english at all (owner was a successful businessman from atlanta) the last couple years it turned into a spanish channel because none of them could speak english. I was told they were setting up a spanish course for those of us who wanted it, I asked why they didn't offer an english course for those who needed it. I was told that would be discriminative, but it wasn't discriminative or insulting to dismiss my language( english ) in my country (america) . I told them they were wrong, it was probably the reason I don't work there anymore. Sorry i am a non-conformist, I have no problem with anyone wanting to live and work here, but please embrace the american way and speak english, at least to me, you can do whatever you want at home
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No, I think you are absolutely right. That would be like me going to Mexico and expecting everyone there to speak English. Sheer madness. My opinion is that this is America, and if you want to converse, speak the language or leave.
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You are all saying the same thing, just in a different way, lol... and I don't know what way is the best. But I do completely agree with what you all are saying.
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all i have to say is these days are tuff to live in and not make people mad, the other day me and my dad where taliking and my sister said she got like top student in P.E wel my dad jokingly said well kody failed (i did not BTW)and when you think of it you cant fail anybody unless they just dont go, because if you give them a bad grade in performance it becomes a big deal cuz theres always that chunky kid that cant quit do as good as the rest well you cant tell him he sucks at P.E because it would a judgemental comment. so all in all i think where stuff like this can get people in trouble is some people may find it funny and some may find it disrespectful (sp?).
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Interesting read. I actually JUST finished a art project about illegal immigration and leaching off the system. I completely agree though. I think if are gonna come and live here, the government should make it to where they can't leach off the system and get welfare and such for a set period of time, or whatnot, depending on age, etc. The speaking English is another big thing. It really pisses me off when I here some guy cursing me out in Spanish when I pass them or go around them...
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And it seems more and more products (especially at the grocery store) have labels in english and spanish. Arrggg.
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Thank you for calling the United States of AMERICA... Press 1 to continue in English... Press 2 to be disconnected until you learn to speak English...
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Here is a "hit home" Scenario - These are too funny not to share, ( but sad that they are spot on )
Scenario: Jeffrey won ' t be still in class, disrupts other students. 1956 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by Principal Sits still in class. 2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his father ' s car and his Dad gives him a whipping. 1956 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman. 2006 - Billy ' s Dad is arrested for child abuse Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. Billy ' s sister is told by state psychologist that she remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy ' s mom has affair with psychologist. |
I don't get why they say, "This place sucks, *country name* is so much better." Why did they come here then? Why don't they understand we speak english and not that other stuff?
But lets not bash all the immigrants. There are some good ones. Like the Columbian girl in my Spanish class (she helped me on my tests). But she came knowing english and was ready to conform to our society. She fits in with all the other normal American people. |
HNC: That's the quote I was thinking of! And I totally believe that those other scenarios are true. It's crazy enough to be true given the system.
No, not all immigrants are bad. I don't have a problem with any that come here for better opportunities and then actually work to achieve them. It's the freeloaders I have a problem with. And freeloading isn't limited to immigrants or other ethnic backgrounds either. |
I'll second that last comment. The UK is a wonderplace for spongers thanks to 10 years of Labour goverment. In the old days, people worked for a living, benefits were few and far between, so only the truelly disabled could claim them, and all other able bodied people had a job, even if it was working down a coal mine breathing coal dust.
These days, if you can fill out a form and pretend to be physically or mentally impared in some way, then you get given tons of free cash. I was reading in a newspaper only a couple days ago about a body builder and dance instructor who were raking in £10,00 a year or more in disability benefits by claiming to have bad backs. The number of people found out for doing these kind of cons is rediculous, yet the government doesnt seem to be cracking down all that much. As far as immigrants go, well, it seems some of you have experienced the reverse- racism that can occur. People & kids are being banned from wearing religious symbols like crucifixs at work & school, yet 'minority faiths' are exempt from such bans. Heck, its now perfectly fine to wear a burkha (head & body scalf that covers everything all bar the eyes) in court and classrooms- one younf girl took her school to court because they wouldnt let her wear a religious garment. What they dont realise is its a two way street; we must respect their religion & culture and make certain allowances, and they too must respect that the UK is a Christian country and they must learn to integrate into our way of living. The greatest example of stupidity is the St.Georges flag being banned from taxis and homes/ offices incase it offends a non-christain, yet we have to put up with muslim rallies calling for the beheading of christians in Iraq.... I rest my case. |
Wow, this is really turning out to be a share-your-feelings thread!
My father (note that I did not say "dad"?) scammed for disability for something or other. Always something that was hard to medically disprove. Needless to say, I have had VERY little dealings with him. |
OK, this is a long read, but I've been holding on to this for quite some time. Several years ago, hurricane Katrina hit the southern US and left a boat load of damage. I wish I knew who wrote this, but I don't so it will have to be left unquoted:
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Nice quote. |
HnC, that should be on the one dollar bill (tha masonics might not like it)
seth556, I agree if they contribute and comform I have no trouble, I'm not worried about religion, but when we need a translator in our own country, there is a problem BrianG, I agree the bulk of the relief should be shouldered by the city affected. I have always been a believer of doing for yourself. While all the gulf coast should have been prepared, If i lived there when Andrew came through Fla. and saw the insurance companies shafting everyone, I would have sold everything and moved north. |
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Why don't we just call ourselves America....the doormat for the world................ America.....the country that rolls over..... (Politically, Not militarily) America...land of free stuff for foreigners. This all reminds me of when I applied for a college loan and grants. If I was hispanic, black, or a transfer student I could have had all the financial support I could handle. But since I was a white middle class kid I was SOL. No money available for the core families of this country. |
And why the freek do I have to press 1 for English?
The other day I went through one of those self check out lanes at Wally World in Flagstaff, AZ. It wouldn't let me scan an item until I picked a language. I refused to use it and walked away and made a big deal of it verbally so the lady in charge could hear me. |
GOOD MAN!
Locally there has been a lot of grief sent towards business owners so in the "self scan" lines you can by-pass the STUPID & RIDICULOUS language selection screen by just scanning the first item. It automatically defaults to english. Thank GOD for that! |
Just be glad that english is option 1. Before long, it will be at the end of the list...
A lot of fast food places now have people that only understand "number 1", "number 2", etc for the various value meals. Which is good until you want something specific. Now, I make it a point to order something different and have to speak to a manager. And I make sure to loudly vocalize my grievence so everyone can hear. :) Are there any countries that don't suffer from all these types of problems? Because I want to move there. |
Come! Come up here, where the polar bears roam, and ice igloo parliament building is melting! Come to Canada, Eh!
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U hoser! LOL!
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I really do have mixed feelings about some of this. I am first generation American on my mother's side and fourth generation American on my father's side. English is not the first language of either of my parents. My father, having been raised a coon ass, spoke French and my mother spoke Korean.
The Amerian way of life is probably one of the most sought after things in the world. I know that if I lived in a country where doing well was not a function of how hard you broke your back, I would have to look to the future for my kids, and I'd have to do everything that I could to take them where there is more opportunity for them to enjoy life. On the other hand, I, as an American, want to protect and preserve our way of life, this nation which has given us so much, and the sacrifices that many have made so that we can live the life that we do. To that end, we really need to start enforcing immigration laws. Having them doesn't mean anything if there is no enforcement. I don't understand why the politicians can't stand up for their country. What's with all of the tolerance? Unfortunately, big business is playing a rather large hand in perpetuating what is going on. I was on my way to work today and realized that a bill board, that has been there, adverstising the Toyota Tundra truck was now written in spanish. What's up with that? |
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> > From the L.A. Times > > 1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million > > people) > > are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are > > predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card. > > 2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens. > > 3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal > > aliens. > > 4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal aliens > > Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers. > > 5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers > > are Mexican nationals here illegally. > > 6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in > > garages. > > 7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles > > are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border. > > 8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal. > > 9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking. > > 10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English. > > 3.9 million speak Spanish. > > (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County). > > (All the above from the Los Angeles Times) > > Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, > > but 29% are on welfare. > > Over 70% of the United States' annual population growth > > (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) > > results from immigration. > > The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was, > > (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay), a NET $70 BILLION/ > > year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University ]. The lifetime > > fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average > > adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE number. > > 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens. > > If they can come to this country to raise Hell and demonstrate by > > the thousands, WHY can't they take charge over the corruption > > in their own country? > > We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue. > > THE U.S. VS MEXICO > > > > On February 15, 1998, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los > > Angeles > > Coliseum. The crowd was overwhelmingly pro-Mexican even though most lived > > in this country. They booed during the National Anthem and U.S. flags > >were > > held > > upside down. As the match progressed, supporters of the U.S. team were > > insulted, > > pelted with projectiles, punched and spat upon. Beer and trash were > >thrown > > at > > the U.S. players before and after the match. The coach of the U.S. team, > > Steve > > Sampson said, "This was the most painful experience I have ever had in > > this > > profession." > > Did you know that immigrants from Mexico and other non-European countries > > can come to this country and get preferences in jobs, education, and > > government > > contracts. It's called affirmative action or racial privilege. The > >Emperor > > of Japan > > or the President of Mexico could migrate here and immediately be eligible > > for > > special rights unavailable for Americans of European descent. > > Corporate America has signed on to the idea that minorities and third > > world > > immigrants should get special, privileged status. Some examples are > >Exxon, > > Texaco, Merrill Lynch, Boeing, Paine Weber, Starbucks and many more. > > DID YOU KNOW? > > Did you know .. that Mexico > > regularly intercedes on the side > > of the defense in criminal cases involving Mexican nationals? > > Did you know .. that Mexico has NEVER extradited a Mexican > > national accused of murder in the U.S. in spite of agreements to do so? > > According to the L.A. Times, Orange County , California is home to 275 > > gangs with 17,000 members, 98% of which are Mexican and Asian. > > How's your county doing? > > According to a New York Times article dated May 19, 1994, 20 years after > > the great influx of legal immigrants from Southeast Asia, 30% are still > >on > > welfare compared to 8% of households nationwide. A Wall Street Journal > > editorial dated December 5, 1994 quotes law enforcement officials as > >stat- > > ing that Asian mobsters are the "greatest criminal challenge the country > > faces." Not bad for a group that is still under 5% of the population. > > Is education important to you? Here are the words of a teacher who spent > > over 20 years in the Los Angeles School system. "Imagine teachers in > > classes > > containing 30-40 students of widely varying attention spans and > > motivation, > > many of whom aren't fluent in English. Educators seek learning materials > > likely to reach the majority of students and that means fewer words and > > math problems and more pictures and multicultural references." > > WHEN I WAS YOUNG > > I remember hearing about the immigrants that came through Ellis Island . > > They wanted to learn English. They wanted to breathe free. They wanted > > to become Americans. Now, far too many immigrants come here with de- > > mands. They demand to be taught in their own language. They demand spe- > > cial privileges ... affirmative action. They demand ethnic studies that > > glorify > > their culture. > > NOW .. > > WHY CAN'T WE SEND THEM HOME??? |
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Pro: Arrg! That just makes my blood pressure rise. To see my tax money going to freeloaders just angers me to the point of incoherent speech!
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Wow Pro, I thought the UK sucked but now I think the whole world sucks, like a giant vacuum cleaner. Its true of many, if not most countries these days though- in the olden days when immigration was a non-issue really, people came to the UK invited (after WW2 I believe to fill the space left by dead soldiers or something?), and they brought their own skills and money to set up businesses and carve a place for themselves. Nower days people come to this country illegally via people traffickers (sp), and they just disappear into the hands of gang masters who get them jobs picking fruit&veg, or cockle picking (see: morcombe bay tragedy). The government makes it far too easy for people to claim benefits without having to really prove they deserve them, and are too affraid to crack down incase they are seen as racist, instead we have to put up with it and are them ones who are cracked down on in terms of rights/freedom to celebrate our britsih way of life. Im not Hitler or anything, none of us are, and some immigrants work damn hard, and had a genuine reason to leave their home country- fleeing conflict/percecution/barbaric governments, and I welcome those people; its the freeloaders who need to be sent packing. Sucks like I giant hoover indeed....
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OK, let's all chip in to buy an island! A utopia where everyone does their fair share and where there are R/C tracks within a 10 minute drive or less. :)
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Sorry Neil! Didn't mean to push you over the edge buddy!
I do think the respective governments of our countries need to get their act together before it's too late. We have over 100million in our country currently and more than 50% of California's population is of 1st generation immigrants or illegal aliens. |
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