Fastland Bulkheads problem.
 

I recieved my bulkheads nice and quick today.

But when I cam to fit them the bottom Pivot bars don't go in, because there are no threads in the bulkhead, and it is impossible to just screw them in.

It came with these 2 little poles which are to small for the pivot bars so I guess their the braces.

How do I put the pivot bars in?

Are you talking about the bumper mount holes? if so you just go through them, use it with the x brace for bulks.

I'm guessing your talking about the hinge pins (things that connect the arms to the bulkhead). With alu bulkheads you'll need to get different hinge pins, the stockers won't work.....I might be talking about completely the wrong thing, but I hope this helps.

Uh oh! maxxdude, if thats what hes talking about , he need new hinge pins, i had no problems with mine because i had the ones that game with my g3 race suspension, you will ruind the bulk that way, dont even try to put it in.

So I just bought bulkheads that don't work because I need different hinge pins?

Where do I get them from? Also, why is my rear bulkheads not the same as the picture and the front bulkheads are the same design as the rear stock bulkheads?!

I need to order new hinge pins then, where can I get them?

I see your in the UK, like me. As far as I know, nowhere in the UK stocks them (a google search might prove different - or even ebay) Other than that, www.stormerhobbies.com , www.greatassemblyrc.com , www.unlimitedengineering.com , there are plenty more, these are off the top of my head

Right, anyway, what are the long poles for with the cups that fasten either end?

What are they for?

I think your talking about the turnbucles, but I thought the problem was with the hinge pins. The turnbucles attach the wheel knuckle to the bulkhead, anf the hinge pins run through the bulkhead and throught the A-arms....It might be better to explain with pictures.....

Right:

I have the Fastlane bulkheads and the stock hinge pins (that join the arms to the bulkheads) don't work because there are no threads for them in the bulkhead.

It also came with some bars same width but not length as the hinge pins that have 2 small brass clips to fasten on both ends of it. What are these? Are these the hinge pins?

Also, why isn't my rear bulk the same as the one in the picture? Another thing is the FL front bulkheads are the same as the rear stock in design but the rear ones I got are completley different?

Yes, they are the hinge pins. They should fit through the bulkheads, and the e-clips snap on either end. (always have lots of spare e-clips, cos they like to go bye bye - like body clips)

As for the bulk design, I don't know (I have great assembly bulks). Silly question, but you don't have the 2 mixed up? - the front bulks have that odd little hole cut in them, and the rears are more like the stock ones.

Right I have checked my order and I have the wrong front bulks, or so it seems

I have the "FLM17002 Front Bulkheads" not 7001!

Also if they are hinge pins that came with it, they arn't long enough for the rear and my RPM arms.

The Bulkheads I have look different to the picture and do not work with the "hinge pins" supplied.

RPM arms are always a problem cos they're so big. You will have to take off some excess material, to allow them to fit.

This is becoming stupid.

So I've got 2 bulkheads, one is a different product number to what I orderd and the other looks alot different to the picture.

The hinge pins supply don't fit my RPM arms either, so it was basicly pointless me buying these bulkheads.

I'm totaly confused.

Heres a picture of the rear bulk on the site:

http://www.rc-monster.com/prodimages...bulkheadsm.jpg

Mine has another section on the end to hold the end of the hinge pin. Not just an empty space like the picture?

Just be patient. I had problems with my great assembly bulkheads, the hinge pins wouldn't fit through the bulkhead, but it got sorted out.

I'm sure if you wait awhile, Mike will be able to help you (pics might help as well)

oh, dude , thats ok, i have the exact same ones, theres no big difference, just less weight!

Sorry for large pictures...


This is showing the rear stock one with the FL front one, they are the same:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...2/DSCN0564.jpg


This shows the rear one, it is different from the one on the site, maybe a newer version:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...2/DSCN0565.jpg


This shows that the hinge pins supplied are too short for it and the brass clips can't fit on either end:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...2/DSCN0563.jpg


Hope that helps.

I see what your problem with the hinge pin being too short is. The extra bit of aluminium on the right hand side (in the pic) shouldn't be there. The arm should be in contact with the e-clip, that bit of aluminium means the hinge pin (presumrably supermaxx ones) which are designed for the stock bulks, are not long enough. There is no problem with having the extra bit of aluminium (it probably adds strength - but FLM should have added the right length hinge pin.

From my past experiences with FLM, they're products are very cheap, nicely made, but SEVERELY lacking in the quality control area. If only they could sort this out, I would be much happier to use them...


PS. This pic is the bulkless system, you can see the same problem
http://www.fastlanemachine.com/ComboBulksFLM17500.htm

Thats abit poor then.

Will wait for Mike to help me out as I'm 99.9% lost in what I should or am doing. I guess I just need new hinge pins or rear bulkhead.

Thanks alot for your help so far though.

I had a similar problem with my bulks. 2 of the hinge pins were not machined enough, and were too big to fit in the bulks. The guy at great assembly was happy to replace them. You could try using the longer hinge pins (for upper arms) - but you'll need to get another set of pins to do this. I'm sure between Mike and FLM it will get sorted out....

Well I really hope it can be sorted soon, as I have a huge RC bash to go to on Saturday & Sunday! Thats why I'm abit impatient with this post. :)

Here is what i think;

They changed the design, my bulkless 1/8th kit from them looks the same. they made it lighter with the milled out parts. They included the old type of hingepin instead of a longer one needed for your bulkheads.

I am sure Mike can help you out.. (you bought them from him, right?)

I bought it from him yes. :)

whew, there is a lot happening here! The bulkheads were updated to the design you have. The new design is better(stronger), but I must have the old picture. The front bulkhead is similar in design the the stock rear, except it has built in kick-up fro the front suspension and skids. The bulkheads do come with the needed hingepins as well. Please make sure you are using the correct ones. I recently built a truck for another customer using those bulkheads and the included hinge pins and had no problems. I would guess the RPM arms may have to be trimmed to fit, but the hingepins should work. Perhaps you mixed up the front and rear hingepins supplied in their respective packages? Please double check this for me. I suppose it is possible that they were packaged with the wrong hinge pins, but I have used a few sets and the included hinge pins without trouble, so please double check.

I havn't opened the other packet of screws and hinge pins. However, it looks like the front ones are longer than the rear.

I think they got them the wrong way round and the longer hinge pins need to be used at the rear.

I will try it tomorrow and reply back (11:30pm abit late). Maybe you can look at others ones you have in stock to see if the front have longer hinge pins than the back? Would confirm it for me then.

It's 0.35 here in Holland... I am still awake, you got an hour to get even with me..

Fixed it.

The hinge pins for the rear were in the packet for the front bulkheads and the hinge pins for the front were in the packet for the rear bulkheads.

Strange, lol. :eek:

I've fitted both, but I had to use the stock hinge pins for the front, I used the front hinge pins on the back because the back ones are too small, yet the back ones are also too small for the front.

Took a hammer to it with my bent stockers and I got them in, not great but at least I can use my truck.

hmmm.... I wouldn't really reccomend using a hammer to get them in. You might have a spot of trouble when you need to get them out ( heavy duty pliers reccomended). I managed to bend a titanium pin, and that was quite a mission to get out....

Yeh, it took some mad force to get them in, I tried to pull them out to put some lube on but, heh, they didn't go anywhere.

You will probably need a dremel, some plyers and the help of Arnold Schwarzenegger to get those hinge pins out now! Did you at least straighten them first? If they are bent, they may bind your suspension arms and inhibit moevment.

Arms move fine, I did straighten them but it wasn't possible to get them perfect, lets hope I don't need to take them off ever again! :D

Also, is it possible to put CVDs in without taking off the arms from the bulkheads? :(

Sure, but you will have to remove the pillow balls/knuckles.

Actually it should just work if you can remove only one hinge-pin.

Thats good then. :)

Only the stock ones are hard to get out. So I should be alright getting the ones supplies with it out, with those e-clips.